Cooper - OUT

[lcfcell]

Under Cooper there is genuinely nothing to look forward to. We’re not building towards anything. All just feels so pointless. 
 

Id love to know how Ricardo inverting into midfield again came about. Wonder which player decided we should try that.

[Fox92]

8 hours ago, Muzzy_no7 said:

Pre season

Villarreal- They were better and we got lucky

 

Shrewsbury - We should’ve dominated and we didn’t, we were once again, lucky.

 

Palermo -Deservedly beaten, outplayed and didn’t look as fit as a side who sharted their pre-season AFTER us. 

 

Augsburg- outplayed and deservedly lost against a poor Bundesliga team who had lost their best players. 

 

Lens- we were pathetic, team with a budget and squad worse than ours completely outplayed and battered us.

 

Tottenham - first 55 mins was genuinely some of the most one sided football I’ve ever seen and Spurs should’ve been 5-6 Up. Extremely lucky to draw. 

 

Fulham- pathetic. Just pathetic. 

 

Tranmere- only game this season we have been the better side. 

 

Villa- scared and pathetic 

 

Palace- decent and then completely pants and manager single handily cost us 2 pts. 

 

Everton- awful, lucky to draw. 

 

Walsall- outplayed by a league two side. Lucky.

 

Arsenal- should’ve been 9-1 to Arsenal, not 4-2.

 

B’mouth- extremely lucky to win. Deserved to lose. 

 

Southampton - equally as pathetic first half before a Southampton implosion and lucky win with a scuffed Ayew shot after Southampton missed chances WITH 10 MEN. 
 

Forest- Utter crap, another unforgivable display that will live long in the memory. 

 

Add all this to the leaked comments from JJ.

 

How on earth can ANYONE defend the clown and his staff.

 

GET HIM GONE.

“Luck” everything luck is that right?

 

You do realise teams create and miss chances a lot not just against us.

 

Spurs game for example. “They should have been 5 up”. From what? They didn’t really have clear cut chances, in fact our XG (which everyone loves to quote now) was higher than Spurs that game. If anybody deserved to win it was us.

 

Southampton last week, awful but not the second half. We deserved to win the game in the end. 

 

I can accept criticism and how he and the players deserved it last night but putting everything down to luck is incorrect. 
 

Last night won’t live “long in the memory” either. I’ve seen far worse performances against Forest.
 

Including pre season games is ridiculous too, I’ve watched Pearson teams beaten easily by the likes of Kettering and Shrewsbury.

Edited 26 October 2024 by Fox92

[Mickyblueeyes]

He has been saying every week that the drop in standards during games is unacceptable. Yet, there is no change. 
 

People have been defending him because we hadn’t been properly beaten yet - that changed yesterday. 
 

For me though, it was him being absolutely clueless for 40 minutes from one minor change from his counterpart. He lost the game and him with his coaching staff were clueless. 
 

Please just go Steve. 

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

“Luck” everything luck is that right?

You do realise teams create and miss chances a lot not just against us.

Spurs game for example. “They should have been 5 up”. From what? They didn’t really have clear cut chances, in fact our XG (which everyone loves to quote now) was higher than Spurs that game. If anybody deserved to win it was us.

 

I can accept criticism and how he and the players deserved it last night but putting everything down to luck is incorrect. 
 

Including pre season games is ridiculous too, I’ve watched Pearson teams beaten easily by the likes of Kettering and Shrewsbury.

Was it?

they battered us for an hour - they just decided to try and walk the ball in rather than shooting. We had a really strong twenty minutes in the second period when they mentally fell apart. 

Edited 26 October 2024 by st albans fox

[GingerrrFox]

Their goal in the first half came from the naivety of youth with Buonanotte trying to break on the counter attack and beat a man on the edge of our box and an absolutely woeful bit of defending from JJ - who’s made a habit of being at fault for goals so far this season. Aside from that though we were all over them and were much the better side, it’s the most promising we’ve looked all season because let’s have it right this Forest team are a good outfit, they’re solid in the middle, have good long passers of the ball at the back and are rapid out wide with a big **** who can finish up top. They keep it solid, play off mistakes and play for set pieces - it’s a formula that will get you to 6-9th comfortably in this league when done well.
 

1st half we more than matched them, we controlled the game, we created opportunities from slick football and we looked Forest’s equals. The problem was we’ve not played this shape and drilled it regularly so as the players fatigued, mistakes were made and this played right into Forest’s hands, Nuno changed their defensive shape slightly to counter the change in our shape and the problem then was Cooper didn’t know how to change and tweak our system to break down Forest in the 2nd half. That’s the problem with having Cooper as our manager, at the highest level, your manager has to be able to read the game and change the shape of the side/tweak the system, yes the players made mistakes in the 2nd half for their goals but after Nuno’s tactical shift in the 2nd half we never caused them issues and that is on the manager. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Do some people actually believe a professional football manager who's repeatedly demonstrated how stubborn he is put that line up out last night to "appease the fans"? Not having that one bit.

Edited 26 October 2024 by Miquel The Work Geordie

[Fox92]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Was it?

they battered us for an hour - they just decided to try and walk the ball in rather than shooting. We had a really strong twenty minutes in the second period when they mentally fell apart. 

I may have got that wrong then but we had the better chances (Vardy missed a one on one). Spurs were trying to walk the ball in and might have had more shots but none of them were dangerous. Saying they should have had 5 or 6 is ridiculous.

If it wasn’t for the injury, which killed the game, I think we would have gone onto win it.

 

That was one of our better performance second half. The issue for me is that we seem to play in halves.

Edited 26 October 2024 by Fox92

[st albans fox]

Just now, Fox92 said:

Yes it was. We had the better chances (Vardy missed a one on one). Spurs were trying to walk the ball in and might have had more shots but none of them were dangerous. Saying they should have had 5 or 6 is ridiculous, people try and rewrite everything. 

If it wasn’t for the injury, which killed the game, we would have gone onto win it.

You said we won on xg

i was just pointing out that we didn’t (plus the reality of the game  as a whole rather what might have happened if their player didn’t get a concussion) 

[Nolucklcfc]

9 hours ago, Hamilton Fox said:

He’s trying not to pan the players for the shit mistakes etc (that everyone can see) and knock the confidence I guess… Rodgers gets panned all the time especially the forest cup game was the first time he really threw them under the bus but he’d tried everything else before defending rubbish crap - part of management (from what I remember anyway! Sometimes you can’t win that side of things 

No I get that but he goes on about being on this “right path” and how good we were against Southampton and Bournemouth etc. we weren’t. We don’t look solid at all and that has to be the foundation of any success. 

[Nolucklcfc]

2 hours ago, sylofox said:

You was obviously not around when Pleat was here then.

His description of a game was nothing like what happened in the game. Made you wonder if you'd actually been to the right game.

Nah I wasn’t but it doesn’t mean cooper isn’t being very generous with his description of performances. I know all managers do it to an extent but I just don’t know what he is trying to do. 

[st albans fox]

I think Cooper can be best summed up as follows 

 

he makes big nige look like a tactical genius 

 

at PL level he is not the answer - we need a coach that makes us better as a team than the individual parts and that’s not him 

 

 

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

You said we won on xg

i was just pointing out that we didn’t (plus the reality of the game  as a whole rather what might have happened if their player didn’t get a concussion) 

I was yes, just corrected my post. I thought I remember seeing it after the game.

 

You know, I saw a lot of teams miss one on ones against us last season. Coventry should have beaten us at our place. But nobody puts it down to “luck”. Nobody said we were “lucky” in those games.

 

Ironically OP who I quoted ended up posting about wanting Enzo out last season. Now wants Cooper out. Probably wanted Pearson out.

Edited 26 October 2024 by Fox92

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, Fox92 said:

I was yes, just corrected my post. I thought I remember seeing it after the game.

 

You know, I saw a lot of teams miss one on ones against us last season. Coventry should have beaten us at our place. But nobody puts it down to “luck”. Nobody said we were “lucky” in those games.

 

Ironically OP who I quoted ended up posting about wanting Enzo out last season. Now wants Cooper out. Probably wanted Pearson out.

No probs 

we rode our luck last season on the basis that the opponents weren’t good enough to take those big chances - that’s a reasonable approach in the championship.  But we were the best team in the division with many of the best players 

 

we need a coach in the prem who is going to make the most of a fairly weak squad - imo cooper just doesn’t have the tactical nouse to be that man. 

[Guest Lako42]

7 hours ago, Aleksz said:

He’ll be gone by the time you renew, wouldn’t worry about it.

The people that are the actual problem won't be and it will still be a dogbshit experience not worth driving 3 hours for

[Fox92]

Just now, st albans fox said:

No probs 

we rode our luck last season on the basis that the opponents weren’t good enough to take those big chances - that’s a reasonable approach in the championship.  But we were the best team in the division with many of the best players 

 

we need a coach in the prem who is going to make the most of a fairly weak squad - imo cooper just doesn’t have the tactical nouse to be that man. 

I don’t disagree. I don’t think Cooper is the man, neither was I too happy with his appointment but people putting wins down to just “luck” is really annoying.

 

All teams ride their luck, even the top teams. I forget how many times I end up seeing Man City or Arsenal win a game they didn’t really deserve too. But nobody ever calls them lucky.

[Nolucklcfc]

19 minutes ago, lcfcell said:

Under Cooper there is genuinely nothing to look forward to. We’re not building towards anything. All just feels so pointless. 
 

Id love to know how Ricardo inverting into midfield again came about. Wonder which player decided we should try that.

This is sort of how I feel … I just don’t see what we are striving for. It feels like the fanbase aren’t having him full stop and last night is pretty much why. 

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

We had the better chances (Vardy missed a one on one). Spurs were trying to walk the ball in and might have had more shots but none of them were dangerous. Saying they should have had 5 or 6 is ridiculous.

 

None of them were dangerous?

 

First half alone Wilf cleared a header off the line, from the resulting passage of players Hermansen had to make a smart save.

 

Solanke fluffed an open header from 5 yards out. Second half we gave the bloke time to brew up and light a fag, luckily he belted it straight at Hermansen.

 

These are off the top of my head but let's not make out Spurs shouldn't have won that match comfortably 

[Guest Lako42]

Look beyond Cooper...... Still 

[AKCJ]

12 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

Do some people actually believe a professional football manager who's repeatedly demonstrated how stubborn he is put that line up out last night to "appease the fans"? Not having that one bit.

Can't believe what I'm reading on here.

 

Are these people suggesting Cooper intentionally put out a bad team just to prove the fans wrong?

 

He's put out what is obviously out best 11 and it failed spectacularly. If he's not capable of getting a performance out of our best team then he simply has to go, surely?

[LinekersLugs]

1) he gave most of us the team selection we wanted …. And for 45 mins it looked ok 

 

2) Ricky JJ Wilf and Winks all gassed at the same time (JJ is stealing a living now) 

 

3) too many individual errors for Cooper to be totally at fault 

 

4) but the fact remains he cannot motivate a team for 90 mins, we seem To be a 45 min team at present 

 

5) I feel if we are to have a chance to stay up sadly he must go now .. if we wait it will be too late 

[FOXSE]

If we had just come off a 7 game winning streak, but then lost like yesterday how many of these posts would have been posted? I guess a lot of them? I remember Enzo losing the odd game, then people came out screaming 'see! He's stubborn!' It's just hilarious really.

 

If a lot of our fans were arsenal fans, they would definitely have wanted arteta sacking after the Bournemouth defeat....

[Fox92]

3 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

None of them were dangerous?

 

First half alone Wilf cleared a header off the line, from the resulting passage of players Hermansen had to make a smart save.

 

Solanke fluffed an open header from 5 yards out. Second half we gave the bloke time to brew up and light a fag, luckily he belted it straight at Hermansen.

 

These are off the top of my head but let's not make out Spurs shouldn't have won that match comfortably 

I can’t remember them missing a clear cut opportunity like we did. OR maybe it’s because I support Leicester so I can only remember that chance. I don’t know.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Can't believe what I'm reading on here.

 

Are these people suggesting Cooper intentionally put out a bad team just to prove the fans wrong?

 

He's put out what is obviously out best 11 and it failed spectacularly. If he's not capable of getting a performance out of our best team then he simply has to go, surely?

 

"Well you got what you wanted...and we were still shit!"

 

As if it's justification for keeping a manager is genuinely melting my brain

[Muzzy_no7]

1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said:

All irrelevant. Look at the table. No chance he gets the boot.

Of course it’s all relevant!

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

Just now, Fox92 said:

I can’t remember them missing a clear cut opportunity like we did. OR maybe it’s because I support Leicester so I can only remember that chance. I don’t know.

 

It's the latter