Cooper - OUT

[BarringtonHayles]

I don't really blame Cooper, it's not his fault he's out of his depth and he must have been delighted that we were stupid enough to offer him the job in the first place after how it ended at Forest. The fault lies with the board/ownership and their inability to look outside of the UK. We seem to have an obsession with 'Premier League Experience' and 'knowing the league' for players and managers even if that experience is largely shit or average at best. 

 

Too many fans buy in to the little old Leicester, who would want the job attitude. We're a wealthy team in the biggest and most popular league in the world. We could attract so many young, promising managers in other leagues who would jump at the chance to manage in England. All it takes is a decent spell of games with a clear tactical plan and you're linked with the biggest clubs in the world, there's not one manager that would back themselves and take the risk, Cooper is the best we can get?  Instead, we have a board that could barely be arsed to look past the midlands for 2 of the last 3 appointments. 

[Dmitry]

1 hour ago, lcfcell said:

Really enjoyed that Jordan Ayew first touch which took the ball out for a goal kick in a really dangerous position. Whilst Fatawu is treated to another 1 minute on the pitch. 

Subtle sarcasm appreciated!

[foxer]

8 minutes ago, KFS said:

I’m not ****ing doing it again. I’m not doing the ‘woe is me’ manager, the players giving us a half of football, the losing from decent positions, the “we’ll be fine”.

 

We’ve been here before and left it too late. He’s not a manager and he needs to be sacked ahead of this semi decent run we have ahead of us.

This is it. We've experienced this already with Rodgers. Just need the hierarchy to have learned from their mistakes. Won't hold my breath 

[Bilo]

10 minutes ago, BarringtonHayles said:

I don't really blame Cooper, it's not his fault he's out of his depth and he must have been delighted that we were stupid enough to offer him the job in the first place after how it ended at Forest. The fault lies with the board/ownership and their inability to look outside of the UK. We seem to have an obsession with 'Premier League Experience' and 'knowing the league' for players and managers even if that experience is largely shit or average at best. 

 

Too many fans buy in to the little old Leicester, who would want the job attitude. We're a wealthy team in the biggest and most popular league in the world. We could attract so many young, promising managers in other leagues who would jump at the chance to manage in England. All it takes is a decent spell of games with a clear tactical plan and you're linked with the biggest clubs in the world, there's not one manager that would back themselves and take the risk, Cooper is the best we can get?  Instead, we have a board that could barely be arsed to look past the midlands for 2 of the last 3 appointments. 

And there's really no excuse for it given that the likes of Schmidt and Hjulmand speak excellent English and are familiar with English football. Christ, Hjulmand knows some of the squad already. 

Edited 28 September 2024 by Bilo

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, foxer said:

This is it. We've experienced this already with Rodgers. Just need the hierarchy to have learned from their mistakes. Won't hold my breath 

Pretty sure I seen a article saying they had learned from there mistakes

[orangecity23]

1 hour ago, safetosurfthisbeach said:

I really cannot understand why people want Cooper to go. We were outclassed today by a much more capable (and expensive) team but we still put up a spirited defence and scored two goals, against all odds. The sense of entitlement amongst some of our fans beggars belief. 

Cooper certainly was not my first choice and he has no doubt made quite a few errors but he has shown we can beat the odds sometimes. 

Let's get behind him! 

 

50 minutes ago, safetosurfthisbeach said:

Bring it on. Most of the anti-Cooper brigade are dumb mutts anyway! 

 

40 minutes ago, safetosurfthisbeach said:

Yes, I see... we should spend a £billion on players and get a manager like Pep.  Meanwhile, some of us live in the real world where you have to scrap for everything and the manager and players may not be optimal. We should be 100% behind the team and the players. If not, don't go to matches, stay at home and switch allegiance to a team that matches your perverted level of entitlement. 

Ask and ye shall receive.

 

Nobody expected us to win today. Nobody expects us to win every game. Nobody expects us to win most of the games. Nobody expects us to finish in the European places.

What would be a start, would be if we could win 1 game. Not aganst Arsenal, but against a team like Everton, with an injury crisis and in terrible form, at home. That would be nice.

It would be nice if we could have beaten Crystal Palace once we somehow contrived to be in a 2-0 lead. But we won neither.

What people might reasonably expect, if for us to have an attackinng threat when we are playing against Walsall in the Carabao cup. Walsall are a League 2 team, so compared to the likes of them, we are the Manchester City's of their world. And yet, we were comfortably outplayed and deserved to lose. Did you watch that game? In fact - how many of our games have you actually watched this season?

 

I've watched plenty of games. So, funnily enough, I don't expect our players to be "optimal". In fact, I actually like a lot of our squad, and rate quite a few of them highly - because I've seen them play. I like Stephy Mavididi. I like Abdul Fatawu. I like Mads Hermansen. I already like Facundo Buononotte. I like Jamie Vardy. I like Ndidi, I like Winks, I'm already won over by Oliver Skipp and Okoli as well. So what I don't like, is when players like Mavididi and Fatawu, who are promising, and pacy, and carry an attacking threat are completely sidelined and treated like they don't belong at this level, to accomodate journeymen players like Ayew and BDCR, youu haven't done anything at this club to justify starting ahead of them YET. Not to say I think they should never start, but it would be reasonable to expect them to deliver a quality of performance off the bench to EARN their way into the lineup. Instead, they are parachuted straight in by a manager who has shown some very questionable judgement about the quality of his own players in every game this season.

 

So onto the manager - now we have established that the level of expectation is to try to stay up this season - the question is do we BELIEVE that he can do it. Is their something to give us hope he can achieve that, and that he deserves our backing? Well, I may be a dumb mutt, but I'm pretty sure that our manager is currently standing on a record where he is on a run of 19 Premier League games without a win. That's half an entire season worth! In fact, his Premier League stats are currently 12 wins out of 61 games played. Now, If I apply my dumb mutt brain to that, I'm pretty sure that if we apply those stats to a Premier League game of 38 matches - that will lead to us winning 7 or 8 games all season. Which gets you 21-24 points, meaning we'd need to draw around 10-15 games to have a chance of avoiding relegation. Not an expectanation - a chance. Talking about teams to switch allegiance to, would you regard Nottingham Forest as team that have a perverse level of entitlement? They are a newly promoted team, that barely scraped survival (on the back of finishing juuuust ahead of the team with the 8th biggest wage bill in the country somehow getting themselves relegated), then last season, their expectation was to stay up. Not win the league or finish top half, just stay up, in a division containng 3 of the worst promoted teams the premier league has ever seen. That low level of expectation was not one that Steve Cooper could live up to, so they fired him and got Nuno Santo in. Who kept them up. We aren't demanding a top level manager - a Nuno Santo of our own would be adequate. Someone who could beat a 12 in 61 win record in the top flight (that's some distance worse than Frank Lampard managed at Everton for example, and nobody will give him a job at present). Someone who might win a game sometime this season, instead of continuing a half season long plus winless run.

 

Now, I'm no tactical expert - but you may like to take a look at some of the tactical threads posted by the excellent Strider Hiryu, or check out some of his Youtube videos to get an understanding on Steve Coopers tactics (unless you've already seen us play plenty already this season) - to sum it up in a nutshell - the tactics have been bad. Really, really, really bad.

 

So, lets end with some questions for you.

 

Have you seen this Leicester City team play at all this season? Actually sat down and watched us play for 90 minutes?

What are your level of expectations for this season?

Do you expect to win any games at all this season?

Would you expect us to win an away game this season?

Do you rate any of our players at all?

Did you see us play against Walsall?

Would you expect to be able to beat a League 2 team away from home?

 

Ultimately, the only reasonable expectation any of us should expect from Leicester City is that which we'd expect from a child on a school sports day. That they try their best. Give it the best go they can, to the best of their ability, so that at the end of the day, no matter how things turn out, they can hold their heads high and know they genuinely gave it their best go and can't have any regrets. If we go down, so be it. But if we go down, we should go down fighting. Currently, we are handicapping ourselves for more than half a game every week to put ourselves in a position where we have to scratch and claw to get anything out a match, because the manager is afraid to try. Afraid to have a go. Afraid to try to win a game, no matter what level of opponent is in front of us, even those from the bottom tier of English pro football. That's all on the manager, and unless he looks in the mirror and finds his courage, we will all be left disapointed at the end of the season, no matter what our expectations are.

 

 

 

[guest123]

Get him gone now and sack rudkin for gross misconduct for sanctioning this crap

[Koke]

We've played Arsenal a million times never got battered like this. They had an xG of over 4.

 

Edited 28 September 2024 by Koke

[Bilo]

Just now, whoareyaaa said:

Pretty sure I seen a article saying they had learned from there mistakes

I'm hoping that that has been leaked as a passive aggressive notice to improve to Cooper.

[Bourbon Fox]

18 minutes ago, BarringtonHayles said:

I don't really blame Cooper, it's not his fault he's out of his depth and he must have been delighted that we were stupid enough to offer him the job in the first place after how it ended at Forest. The fault lies with the board/ownership and their inability to look outside of the UK. We seem to have an obsession with 'Premier League Experience' and 'knowing the league' for players and managers even if that experience is largely shit or average at best. 

 

Too many fans buy in to the little old Leicester, who would want the job attitude. We're a wealthy team in the biggest and most popular league in the world. We could attract so many young, promising managers in other leagues who would jump at the chance to manage in England. All it takes is a decent spell of games with a clear tactical plan and you're linked with the biggest clubs in the world, there's not one manager that would back themselves and take the risk, Cooper is the best we can get?  Instead, we have a board that could barely be arsed to look past the midlands for 2 of the last 3 appointments. 

We are perfect for a Red Bull school manager - the players responded well to the style last season

[BillyFOX12]

8 minutes ago, Koke said:

We've played Arsenal a million times never got battered like this. They had an xG of over 4.

 

Looked more impressive at the 90th minute when they had 34 attempts and the scoreline was 2-2.

[Jakemoore]

8 minutes ago, Koke said:

We've played Arsenal a million times never got battered like this. They had an xG of over 4.

 

This is by far the best Arsenal team we have played in the PL era (apart from around 2004 of course). It’s also the worst Leicester team in the PL era. 

[Plastik Man]

2 hours ago, SemperEadem said:

If the club are bringing in more of his staff then it aint even anywhere close yet.

What, more staff?! 😱

[Collibosher70]

[whoareyaaa]

1 minute ago, Jakemoore said:

This is by far the best Arsenal team we have played in the PL era (apart from around 2004 of course). It’s also the worst Leicester team in the PL era. 

Maybe the team is good enough just the manager can't get the best out of them ?

[burleighfox]

Need a win and a draw from the next two otherwise I think he’ll have to go.

[Iwebema]

2 minutes ago, Bilo said:

I'm hoping that that has been leaked as a passive aggressive notice to improve to Cooper.

I think the hope this season, unlike the rodgers season, is the board don't believe "it will be fine" like they and alot of the clappers did back then

 

Rightly or wrongly they will 100% believe they have given cooper a very competitive squad and I dont think they are happy with just finishing 17th and scraping by. Even though most of us would.

 

Theyve taken out another loan so relegation is going to be even more devastating.

 

I know we rightfully take shots at the board for at best sitting in neutral and coasting for a few years, and at worst catastrophic mismanagement across the board....but i do believe it was a wake up call that they will want to avoid at all costs. 

 

They will think it's too early now, but mess up Bournemouth at home and I think things might change quickly.

 

[HesNotGudjonsonn2]

Even a Ferrari would be rubbish if driven by a blind man. 

[cropstonfox]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

Maybe the team is good enough just the manager can't get the best out of them ?

No the team is not premier league level.

The manager has actually succeeded in damage limitation.Look at Burnley last season struggled and got relegated after a better promotion than ours.Did Vincent get slaughtered?

[JimJams]

If he doesn't get 4 points from the Bournemouth game, it's time to go...

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, cropstonfox said:

No the team is not premier league level.

The manager has actually succeeded in damage limitation.Look at Burnley last season struggled and got relegated after a better promotion than ours.Did Vincent get slaughtered?

I think it is more than good enough.

[Gazza M]

People comparing this to Rodgers start of 22-23 need to have a long think. I don't think this is anywhere near as bad. The board have not got to act at all for a while. Rodgers was on a slide for a long long time. 

[cropstonfox]

1 minute ago, whoareyaaa said:

I think it is more than good enough.

How about the team and the manager are both not good enough.

It will be interesting to see what a new boss could do with this lot.No doubt we will all be hounding him after a few games  rinse and repeat....

Bring on the Championship

[Bilo]

3 minutes ago, Iwebema said:

I think the hope this season, unlike the rodgers season, is the board don't believe "it will be fine" like they and alot of the clappers did back then

 

Rightly or wrongly they will 100% believe they have given cooper a very competitive squad and I dont think they are happy with just finishing 17th and scraping by. Even though most of us would.

 

Theyve taken out another loan so relegation is going to be even more devastating.

 

I know we rightfully take shots at the board for at best sitting in neutral and coasting for a few years, and at worst catastrophic mismanagement across the board....but i do believe it was a wake up call that they will want to avoid at all costs. 

 

They will think it's too early now, but mess up Bournemouth at home and I think things might change quickly.

 

Rodgers was saved by two things - credit in the bank from previous seasons and the fact he was well-liked by either Rudkin or Whelan. Cooper has neither of those factors on his side being brand new and having had no time to build those kinds of close relationships.

 

Couple that with the messaging of discontent among the players and the Mercury reporting that they won't be so slow to remove the manager if they are dissatisfied, which they've got from somewhere, and I think he's already on borrowed time. A bad performance and result against Bournemouth, empty seats starting to show and the fans beginning to vocally turn will be one thing, but the likes of Ipswich, Southampton or Palace getting a result as Everton have today will put him on borrowed time. 

 

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they had learned from. the lack of succession plans after Rodgers and Maresca and already had potential replacements in place. 

[whoareyaaa]

Just now, cropstonfox said:

How about the team and the manager are both not good enough.

It will be interesting to see what a new boss could do with this lot.No doubt we will all be hounding him after a few games  rinse and repeat....

Bring on the Championship

We have enough players capable playing at this level as we have seen by our results, the manager can't buy a win though as proven by his 19 games without a win at this level.

 

The manager is out of his depth.