Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[Gazza M]

Lose to Utd and surely he has to go. Just for sanity and respect for ourselves. Can't keep losing game on game and setting all of these unwanted records. Even if it is just BBM and King as replacement. The morale is awful in the squad. 

[TheGoldenGod]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Of course I "get it" and yes I'm a fan of the protests but Rudkin and King Power aren't going anywhere so the next best thing is to hope for a new manager. However that won't happen either so we're stuck and ultimately, going back to my original point against yours, the manager is not getting as many point as the previous manager despite having the same players. Cooper wasn't great but at least he was picking up points and we were scoring. Now we offer nothing. This manager has made us worse and he is to blame for that. 

 

Tell me when the decline started? This time last season everyone was happy, we were top of the league and Enzo was seen as some sort of genius. Rudkin and King Power appointed him. Or was our decline before that, under Rodgers? If so, nobody blamed Rudkin and King Power then. Everything was Rodgers fault because, oh yeah, he's the manager.

I think the fans have come around to seeing that Rodgers was raising some very valid issues with the club and those chickens have come to roost. You can be wrong and although Rodgers downed tools looking for a payout and threw his squad under the bus, ultimately the things he was saying about squad refreshes and money being there to spend and it being pulled underneath him...were true then and are true now.

 

Highlighting our biggest problem...the board/ownership. Change a manager and get nowhere. The squad isn't good enough to stay up.

[GraceRoader]

On 10/03/2025 at 14:32, AKCJ said:

Project Ruud has failed miserably but don't let anyone pretend that sacking Steve Cooper was anything but an absolute necessity. 

 

 Can you show your working out on that one please?

[Legend_in_blue]

You can change RVN next season, once, two, three times over.  It's irrelevant.  The change needs to happen above the manager.  There is no strategy from those running the club.  

[The Doctor]

34 minutes ago, GraceRoader said:

 Can you show your working out on that one please?

Could you not ask this on your main account? its because he was shit and we'd have plunged into the relegation zone the moment palace got their act together

[Filbert Fireworks]

4 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

It's so boring reading the same stuff "why hasn't he been sacked" blah blah blah. What is the actual point at this stage? He's changed up the tactics and the shape and by all accounts, many said it was a "better" display. Yeah we didn't get anything but were people expecting us to beat Chelsea anyway?

 

He did what everyone was clamouring for...and we still LOST! It's staring everyone in the face that he isn't the issue. Troglodytes.

Ruud isn't the issue. Mind blown. 

[Mike the Metal Ed]

Has any Premier League club ever had three permanent first team managers in a single season and not been a total shitshow that inevitably got relegated?

[GraceRoader]

11 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Could you not ask this on your main account? its because he was shit and we'd have plunged into the relegation zone the moment palace got their act together

My main account?

And was he really that shit or were some on here's beliefs that he was holding back a top ten squad a touch unrealistic? 17th should always be the aim for a newly promoted side.

[when_you're_smiling]

6 minutes ago, Mike the Metal Ed said:

Has any Premier League club ever had three permanent first team managers in a single season and not been a total shitshow that inevitably got relegated?

Yeah a fair few and they pretty much always get relegated. We had three in 01/02, Taylor Bassett/Adams and then Adams on his own.

 

Think Ranieri was one of three (maybe four) managers Fulham had when they were last relegated. 

[dillonpanthers87]

1 hour ago, GraceRoader said:

 Can you show your working out on that one please?

Yeah; I was no fan of Cooper, but it's hard to see how it could have been any worse with him. Yes, Abdul etc. etc. and the usual arguments, but he had a way. Ruud, and it's not all down to him, has been terrible. But it's too late now, if we're going to sack him, it needs to be a considered selection for next season, not a gamble to try and stay up.

[Chown]

18 minutes ago, GraceRoader said:

My main account?

And was he really that shit or were some on here's beliefs that he was holding back a top ten squad a touch unrealistic? 17th should always be the aim for a newly promoted side.

There is a lot of revisionism about Cooper’s brief reign on here. It is regularly commented that we have a Championship squad (which I agree with) and that Cooper was awful. Well surely if we had a Championship squad then logically Cooper did a pretty good job in the circumstances? Scored in every single home game (couldn’t be more different now) and regularly picked up points (again, couldn’t be more different now). We’ll never know if Cooper would’ve kept us up or not, but we’d have had a much better chance than we do now. One thing he did ensure is that we didn’t break Derby’s 11 point record low, which would have been an horrendous possibility if Ruud had been in charge the whole season.

[Filbert Fireworks]

You watch Villa dissecting club brugge tonight. With a world class manager guiding them. 

 

You think of that day at villa park a few years ago where we beat them 4-1 not long after a 4-0 win against them at our place. 

 

Then you reflect on the current shower dished up under the RVN reign and think how is this clown show allowed to continue. 6 games without a single goal. 

 

Manager needs to go for our own self-respect. 

Edited 12 March by Filbert Fireworks

[The Doctor]

52 minutes ago, GraceRoader said:

My main account?

And was he really that shit or were some on here's beliefs that he was holding back a top ten squad a touch unrealistic? 17th should always be the aim for a newly promoted side.

ah yes, because it's a pure coincidence that there's been several accounts with names themed around Grace Road acting as the Cooper Defence League...

 

He was absolutely shit, there was zero tactical coherence, we were off bottom because of questionable penalty decisions at Southampton and Ipswich, and we'd have gotten nowhere near 17th, we'd have plummetted the moment Palace picked up form

 

25 minutes ago, Chown said:

There is a lot of revisionism about Cooper’s brief reign on here. It is regularly commented that we have a Championship squad (which I agree with) and that Cooper was awful. Well surely if we had a Championship squad then logically Cooper did a pretty good job in the circumstances? Scored in every single home game (couldn’t be more different now) and regularly picked up points (again, couldn’t be more different now). We’ll never know if Cooper would’ve kept us up or not, but we’d have had a much better chance than we do now. One thing he did ensure is that we didn’t break Derby’s 11 point record low, which would have been an horrendous possibility if Ruud had been in charge the whole season.

The revisionism is in pretending that Ruud being worse made Cooper in any way good. We'd not have got close to survival under him.

[fox in the sox]

32 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

ah yes, because it's a pure coincidence that there's been several accounts with names themed around Grace Road acting as the Cooper Defence League...

 

He was absolutely shit, there was zero tactical coherence, we were off bottom because of questionable penalty decisions at Southampton and Ipswich, and we'd have gotten nowhere near 17th, we'd have plummetted the moment Palace picked up form

 

The revisionism is in pretending that Ruud being worse made Cooper in any way good. We'd not have got close to survival under him.

I think we were on course for about 33 points which may still prove to be enough.

[Chown]

27 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

The revisionism is in pretending that Ruud being worse made Cooper in any way good. We'd not have got close to survival under him.

You don’t know that we wouldn’t have got close though. He picked up ten points out of twelve games, a run rate that would see us out of the bottom three now, and we scored in every single home game.

 

We may have gone down anyway, but there’s nothing to back up that we wouldn’t have got close.

 

A good manager would find it a challenge to keep this squad up, so Cooper’s points return and goals scored record doesn’t suggest that he wasn’t ‘in any way good’.

[GraceRoader]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

ah yes, because it's a pure coincidence that there's been several accounts with names themed around Grace Road acting as the Cooper Defence League...

 

He was absolutely shit, there was zero tactical coherence, we were off bottom because of questionable penalty decisions at Southampton and Ipswich, and we'd have gotten nowhere near 17th, we'd have plummetted the moment Palace picked up form

 

The revisionism is in pretending that Ruud being worse made Cooper in any way good. We'd not have got close to survival under him.

Dr Secret Squirrel, I can assure you that this is my only account. If a mod can be arsed they can confirm the IP addresses are completely different but if they can't then neither can I. Keeping a newly promoted side in this league is the hardest job in world football. The difference between prem and championship is huge and getting bigger. To have any chance the whole club needs to be together and in the same direction. I think the job the previous manager had here was easier on the pitch than it was there. Came up as champions. Not the. greatest squad in this league but there was hope. Compare with promoted via play offs, most of the squad buggered off back to parent clubs and had a random bunch thrown together over 5 or so weeks. It seems to me that a lot of our fanbase hate them more than they love us. Much as it makes you cross, it was a disastrous move, he clearly had the potential to see us safe ( but may well have failed) but, given an ounce of support, it would undoubtedly have been better.

Edited 12 March by GraceRoader

[Weller Wing]

5 hours ago, Dmitry said:

Won't be sacked, not now. Sacking now would expose the complete incompetence of the Chairman and his inner sanctum...

 

I think they've shown their incompetence to us , a long time ago.

 

It's just been more noticeable to those who don't follow the club, in recent times.

[CosbehFox]

39 minutes ago, fox in the sox said:

I think we were on course for about 33 points which may still prove to be enough.

On a point per game basis, yes but that made no allowance that we had to play most of the top half before Cooper left 

 

If we compare like for like opposition, it’s literally equal.
 

Cooper got three points v Everton, Palace & Spurs

 

Ruud got three v the same three opposition. 
 

Cooper’s rare decent win v Bournemouth, see Ruud’s win v West Ham. 
 

Which pretty much leaves Cooper’s results propped up by the four points v Ipswich and Sourhampton. 
 

In midst of Cooper’s performances, they were two awful displays v Man United and the often forgotten stinker at Walsall in the Cup 

[CosbehFox]

 Often forgotten Cooper was afforded one of our great gross spends in the history of LCFC with FFP concerns and a less than impressive hit signing ratio at Forest 

[TheGoldenGod]

2 hours ago, Filbert Fireworks said:

Ruud isn't the issue. Mind blown. 

The main issue*.

Cant wait for you to see the same crap crop up again when the next manager is in situe. Maybe then it'll sink in.

[filbertway]

4 hours ago, TheGoldenGod said:

I think the fans have come around to seeing that Rodgers was raising some very valid issues with the club and those chickens have come to roost. You can be wrong and although Rodgers downed tools looking for a payout and threw his squad under the bus, ultimately the things he was saying about squad refreshes and money being there to spend and it being pulled underneath him...were true then and are true now.

 

Highlighting our biggest problem...the board/ownership. Change a manager and get nowhere. The squad isn't good enough to stay up.

His chronic overspending on players he wanted to "refresh" was the reason he had no money to sign even more players he didn't want

 

[Claudio Fannieri]

6 hours ago, CosbehFox said:

On a point per game basis, yes but that made no allowance that we had to play most of the top half before Cooper left 

 

If we compare like for like opposition, it’s literally equal.
 

Cooper got three points v Everton, Palace & Spurs

 

Ruud got three v the same three opposition. 
 

Cooper’s rare decent win v Bournemouth, see Ruud’s win v West Ham. 
 

Which pretty much leaves Cooper’s results propped up by the four points v Ipswich and Sourhampton. 
 

In midst of Cooper’s performances, they were two awful displays v Man United and the often forgotten stinker at Walsall in the Cup 

Spot on and we had also hit a real bad run under Cooper at the time and the rot had sunk in, the truth is the club have made 2 rank bad appointments this season and make no mistake Cooper and his horrific desire for ‘proven’ premier league players led to some dire recruitment which left us with minimal room for manoeuvre come January. 
 

I don’t think there is much to choose between either, Cooper was an horrific choice after Enzo, offered minimal continuity and had a completely different managerial style and then when we had an opportunity to replace Cooper we took a massive gamble on Ruud. Poor poor judgement by the board on both occasions, which has ultimately led to a pretty appalling season and a very likely relegation 

[teblin]

Did we appoint the wrong former Man Utd striker?

 

https://www.transfermarkt.com/best-record-since-1950s-ole-gunnar-solskjaers-incredible-impact-at-besitkas/view/news/450946

[The Doctor]

14 hours ago, Chown said:

You don’t know that we wouldn’t have got close though. He picked up ten points out of twelve games, a run rate that would see us out of the bottom three now, and we scored in every single home game.

 

We may have gone down anyway, but there’s nothing to back up that we wouldn’t have got close.

 

A good manager would find it a challenge to keep this squad up, so Cooper’s points return and goals scored record doesn’t suggest that he wasn’t ‘in any way good’.

can pretty much guarantee it tbh, you're forgetting how bad the last month of him was. Getting completely outclassed by RvNs Man Utd twice, barely laying a glove on Walsall in the cup, getting outclassed by Ipswich until they had a clear penalty not given and a red card then given, absolutely dog shit performance v Forest as their fans sung his name. We were getting results our performances didn't deserve back in August/September and that luck had clearly run out. 

[The Doctor]

14 hours ago, GraceRoader said:

Dr Secret Squirrel, I can assure you that this is my only account. If a mod can be arsed they can confirm the IP addresses are completely different but if they can't then neither can I. Keeping a newly promoted side in this league is the hardest job in world football. The difference between prem and championship is huge and getting bigger. To have any chance the whole club needs to be together and in the same direction. I think the job the previous manager had here was easier on the pitch than it was there. Came up as champions. Not the. greatest squad in this league but there was hope. Compare with promoted via play offs, most of the squad buggered off back to parent clubs and had a random bunch thrown together over 5 or so weeks. It seems to me that a lot of our fanbase hate them more than they love us. Much as it makes you cross, it was a disastrous move, he clearly had the potential to see us safe ( but may well have failed) but, given an ounce of support, it would undoubtedly have been better.

literally no ones problem with Cooper was that he was at forest before, it's literally only his defenders (you, and the series of other accounts named after grace road) who bring it up.