Ruud van Nistelrooy - New Manager - Official

[dmayne7]

6 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Sacking would make Top expose himself as a ****ing baboon that he is. 

 

Keeping him does that even moreso. At least if he sacked him there's an argument to say that's humble enough to admit his mistake (which we know he isn't anyway)

[Edingleyfox]

Quite honestly I can only think that Ipswich and Southampton being in a similar predicament has saved the manager coupled with his legendary status as a player. He is a good talker but his ultra cautious approach relying on older players and dropping likes of Facundo and Mavididi early on just spiralled into what we have seen at home. He had tried to adopt a different approach now but I am not convinced by him as a manager 

[South Shire Fox]

19 minutes ago, Ricey said:

That’s not the point though, if you read the rest of the post.

 

He’s a bad manager, who has failed miserably, but when you look at the bigger picture there is no point paying him off and then hiring someone else terrible who will rebuild the squad and then also be paid off at some point in the next year. That sets us back another couple of years.

 

Save our money until Top, Rudkin, Glover and co aren’t the ones making the decisions.

Well there is, because we could fall much lower with him in charge then a competent manager. Even with clowns running the club. Just look at Sheffield Wednesday.

 

Ruud has shown this season he is not a problem solver and will just play the same line up/system time and time again. As soon as we get ‘found out’ in the Championship there is no way in hell he has the ability to mix it up and turn things around.

Edited 26 April by South Shire Fox

[The Fox Covert]

Can this thread run to 400 pages before he is given his P45?

[Dmitry]

25 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Keeping him does that even moreso. At least if he sacked him there's an argument to say that's humble enough to admit his mistake (which we know he isn't anyway)

I don't see an honorable way for him to to extricate himself from this, other than leaving his chairmanship to focus on other King Power dealings. He certainly must realize that he is an idiot. I wonder if the family's business is exposed by this fiasco. Perhaps another family member can step up and become the LCFC Chairperson. We've seen enough of this fool.

Edited 26 April by Dmitry

[Mickyblueeyes]

31 minutes ago, Dmitry said:

Sacking would make Top expose himself as a ****ing baboon that he is. 

 

That is an unfair and quite frankly disgraceful comment. 
 

A baboon offers far more to the world than Top ever could. Ridiculous insult to Baboons. 
 

 

[l444ry]

Just now, Mickyblueeyes said:

That is an unfair and quite frankly disgraceful comment. 
 

A baboon offers far more to the world than Top ever could. Ridiculous insult to Baboons. 
 

 

You been on the Pop Micky?

[Mickyblueeyes]

4 minutes ago, l444ry said:

You been on the Pop Micky?

Yes and I’m as happy as Larry, Larry. 

[cityfanlee23]

EDIT FOR CLARITY: This is NOT an endorsement or an argument for keeping RVN, just general thoughts rattling around

I know the majority will disagree with me, but I've slowly warmed to the idea of him staying (I'm still overall against it, but I hold much less anger if he stays), I'm first to admit this is purely from a bias position of him being one of my favourite players as a kid, and there is not a huge amount to back him from in his time here. I like the way he speaks, I think his standards are generally far higher than the club and board, I think we improved transitionally, but defensively and on an attacking front we marginally declined (the statistics between Ruud and Cooper as pointed out from another poster who compared them a few days ago are not too dissimilar, Cooper was very lucky to have Hermansen saving his skin every week), that doesn't make Ruud good enough yet. However that doesn't mean with time he can't be, and I truly believe we have enough next season to be top 6 if we get rid of a few big earners and focus on our promising youth, I'm curious to know what Ruud's rebuild would look like. 
Ruud seems to get on with multiple players and they often go to him after the final whistle, his 45+ minute conversation with Jamie suggests they at least have a respect for each other otherwise he would have been in and out. 
The club have lied time and time again, they lied to Brendan, they lied to Enzo, they lied to Ruud, I wouldn't be surprised if they lied to Cooper but he is just too nice to go public with it, we have a clear misalignment across all areas of the club and we need someone with a firm view of the future to pull everyone together, and that's something Ruud has spoken about. 

Again, I fully know I'm in the minority, and I don't hold this warming to Ruud strongly, it's a gut feeling. If you offered me Rohl, Urs Fischer, Rydstrom, and multiple other managers I and others have put forward over the last few years I'd push him out of the door myself, but if we continue to keep the key people in position whether that be the DOF, the scouting department who keep putting forward this overpaid dross or even the complete lack of a coaching network that chops and changes, leaves and isn't replaced, very little will change. 

Ruud has been an issue, but the biggest issues are further up the chain of command, I fully understand what I've said is riddled with holes and inconsistencies, this is just a gut feeling. 

With all of that said, I just can't see how his position could be tenable at the most basic level, forget the tactics, forget the player antics, forget the DOF, this fanbase has become very toxic towards Ruud in a very short period of time, so It doesn't look possible to keep him unless the final games are a massive improvement and Ruud in the summer fully puts his plan forward to the fans publicly, which isn't likely to happen, every day that he's still here the fanbase is winding itself up more. 

Edited 26 April by cityfanlee23

[fox_favourite]

6 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

know the majority will disagree with me, but I've slowly warmed to the idea of him staying

You lost me at this point. 

 

Having the negativity carry over to next season isn't an option and that includes RvN as he's proven useless when the going gets tough. 

 

For me a lot needs to be binned. Rudkin and RvN being two of them 

[Bilo]

There is simply no way he can stay. He's lost all authority and credibility after having more than enough time to improve matters. If Dean Smith wasn't considered for the Championship season after inheriting a far worse situation than RVN did, then it's only logical that RVN is even further away from consideration.

[Haywood_6]

8 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I know the majority will disagree with me, but I've slowly warmed to the idea of him staying (i'm still overall against it, but I hold much less anger if he stays), I'm first to admit this is purely from a bias position of him being one of my favourite players as a kid, and there is not a huge amount to back him from in his time here. I like the way he speaks, I think his standards are generally far higher than the club and board, I think we improved transitionally, but defensively and on an attacking front we marginally declined (the statistics between Ruud and Cooper as pointed out from another poster who compared them a few days ago are not too dissimilar, Cooper was very lucky to have Hermansen saving his skin every week), that doesn't make Ruud good enough yet. However that doesn't mean with time he can't be, and I truly believe we have enough next season to be top 6 if we get rid of a few big earners and focus on our promising youth, I'm curious to know what Ruud's rebuild would look like. 
Ruud seems to get on with multiple players and they often go to him after the final whistle, his 45+ minute conversation with Jamie suggests they at least have a respect for each other otherwise he would have been in and out. 
The club have lied time and time again, they lied to Brendan, they lied to Enzo, they lied to Ruud, I wouldn't be surprised if they lied to Cooper but he is just too nice to go public with it, we have a clear misalignment across all areas of the club and we need someone with a firm view of the future to pull everyone together, and that's something Ruud has spoken about. 

Again, I fully know I'm in the minority, and I don't hold this warming to Ruud strongly, it's a gut feeling. If you offered me Rohl, Urs Fischer, Rydstrom, and multiple other managers I and others have put forward over the last few years I'd push him out of the door myself, but if we continue to keep the key people in position whether that be the DOF, the scouting department who keep putting forward this overpaid dross or even the complete lack of a coaching network that chops and changes, leaves and isn't replaced, very little will change. 

Ruud has been an issue, but the biggest issues are further up the chain of command, I fully understand what I've said is riddled with holes and inconsistencies, this is just a gut feeling. 

With all of that said, I just can't see how his position could be tenable at the most basic level, forget the tactics, forget the player antics, forget the DOF, this fanbase has become very toxic towards Ruud in a very short period of time, so It doesn't look possible to keep him unless the final games are a massive improvement and Ruud in the summer fully puts his plan forward to the fans publicly, which isn't likely to happen, every day that he's still here the fanbase is winding itself up more. 

I think tactically he's fallen short. At the end of the day football is a results business. We've not kept clean sheets and we can't score goals. So how can you defend RVN? He's got a poor poor squad and anyone would struggle with this group of players and he came in mid-season but that's literally all you can say. The problems we've got are deep rooted- if he stayed and we were suddenly successful I think it would be one of the most miraculous turn arounds ever. It's extremely unlikely. I would be interested to see what a Van Nistelroy squad looks like given time but how can we trust him moving forward. It's a gamble we can't afford to take. We need to turn over a new leaf and end this horrible horrible chapter. 

[cityfanlee23]

1 minute ago, fox_favourite said:

You lost me at this point. 

 

Having the negativity carry over to next season isn't an option and that includes RvN as he's proven useless when the going gets tough. 

 

For me a lot needs to be binned. Rudkin and RvN being two of them 

I completely agree, the fanbase (atleast on here, which is very prominent) is completely toxic towards RVN and that's why it's untenable. As i say, I have very little substance to base an argument for him staying, and i'd swap him for a whole list of managers that I believe are attainable in a heartbeat. But bring Danny Rohl in and keep everything the same and it will catch up with him at some point as it's looking at Wednesday with their end of season fall off. 
Ruud came into a club with no coaches and hasn't been able for whatever reason to bring his people in, a club that lied about transfer budgets, full of a team of players who do not give a single shit about the club, fans or community, who actively disrespect the club on and off the pitch. 

He's made a lot of mistakes with this bunch of players no doubt, it's purely gut feeling that next season we could do well, not an endorsement by any stretch. But the pure animosity towards him makes it very unlikely he stays, then again, with how the club operate at the moment it wouldn't surprise me if he got a new contract 

[cityfanlee23]

2 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

I think tactically he's fallen short. At the end of the day football is a results business. We've not kept clean sheets and we can't score goals. So how can you defend RVN? He's got a poor poor squad and anyone would struggle with this group of players and he came in mid-season but that's literally all you can say. The problems we've got are deep rooted- if he stayed and we were suddenly successful I think it would be one of the most miraculous turn arounds ever. It's extremely unlikely. I would be interested to see what a Van Nistelroy squad looks like given time but how can we trust him moving forward. It's a gamble we can't afford to take. We need to turn over a new leaf and end this horrible horrible chapter. 

I didn't, that was the entire point of my post. It's a gut feeling, and an overriding view that if we continue with the board in place as they are, it won't matter who comes in, I completely agree with everything you've said, it would be a massive gamble, I'm completely biased because I like what he has said and like him as a player, but would replace him in a shot with a whole host of managers. I just won't be as angry as most if he stays (providing it results in upstairs being shifted)

 

Edited 26 April by cityfanlee23

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

I think tactically he's fallen short. At the end of the day football is a results business. We've not kept clean sheets and we can't score goals. So how can you defend RVN? He's got a poor poor squad and anyone would struggle with this group of players and he came in mid-season but that's literally all you can say. The problems we've got are deep rooted- if he stayed and we were suddenly successful I think it would be one of the most miraculous turn arounds ever. It's extremely unlikely. I would be interested to see what a Van Nistelroy squad looks like given time but how can we trust him moving forward. It's a gamble we can't afford to take. We need to turn over a new leaf and end this horrible horrible chapter. 

Turn that on its head. How can you support the board? Support them in making a good managerial appointment. Everybody sees that Ruud has totally underwhelmed of that there should be no debate, but shipping out Ruud, can you have anything beyond hope that the board would select a good replacement? Their recent record has not been encouraging.

[cityfanlee23]

If ever there was a time for a player to leak what behind the scenes looks like it's now, they were happy to throw SC under the bus. 

[inckley fox]

16 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I know the majority will disagree with me, but I've slowly warmed to the idea of him staying (i'm still overall against it, but I hold much less anger if he stays), I'm first to admit this is purely from a bias position of him being one of my favourite players as a kid, and there is not a huge amount to back him from in his time here. I like the way he speaks, I think his standards are generally far higher than the club and board, I think we improved transitionally, but defensively and on an attacking front we marginally declined (the statistics between Ruud and Cooper as pointed out from another poster who compared them a few days ago are not too dissimilar, Cooper was very lucky to have Hermansen saving his skin every week), that doesn't make Ruud good enough yet. However that doesn't mean with time he can't be, and I truly believe we have enough next season to be top 6 if we get rid of a few big earners and focus on our promising youth, I'm curious to know what Ruud's rebuild would look like. 
Ruud seems to get on with multiple players and they often go to him after the final whistle, his 45+ minute conversation with Jamie suggests they at least have a respect for each other otherwise he would have been in and out. 
The club have lied time and time again, they lied to Brendan, they lied to Enzo, they lied to Ruud, I wouldn't be surprised if they lied to Cooper but he is just too nice to go public with it, we have a clear misalignment across all areas of the club and we need someone with a firm view of the future to pull everyone together, and that's something Ruud has spoken about. 

Again, I fully know I'm in the minority, and I don't hold this warming to Ruud strongly, it's a gut feeling. If you offered me Rohl, Urs Fischer, Rydstrom, and multiple other managers I and others have put forward over the last few years I'd push him out of the door myself, but if we continue to keep the key people in position whether that be the DOF, the scouting department who keep putting forward this overpaid dross or even the complete lack of a coaching network that chops and changes, leaves and isn't replaced, very little will change. 

Ruud has been an issue, but the biggest issues are further up the chain of command, I fully understand what I've said is riddled with holes and inconsistencies, this is just a gut feeling. 

With all of that said, I just can't see how his position could be tenable at the most basic level, forget the tactics, forget the player antics, forget the DOF, this fanbase has become very toxic towards Ruud in a very short period of time, so It doesn't look possible to keep him unless the final games are a massive improvement and Ruud in the summer fully puts his plan forward to the fans publicly, which isn't likely to happen, every day that he's still here the fanbase is winding itself up more. 

I read this once and thought 'you've not actually come up with any reasons for keeping him'. Then I read it a second time and spotted that, while this was indeed the case, you'd impressively managed to give some pretty solid reasons for getting rid of him. You never know, your gut feeling may be right, but if this is the state of the 'don't sack' argument, I wouldn't even wait until kick-off to fire him!

[Haywood_6]

 

4 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Turn that on its head. How can you support the board? Support them in making a good managerial appointment. Everybody sees that Ruud has totally underwhelmed of that there should be no debate, but shipping out Ruud, can you have anything beyond hope that the board would select a good replacement? Their recent record has not been encouraging.

I don't support the board. I'm just talking about the manager as that's the topic of this thread. The board is another whole mess of it's own.  

[cityfanlee23]

3 minutes ago, inckley fox said:

I read this once and thought 'you've not actually come up with any reasons for keeping him'. Then I read it a second time and spotted that, while this was indeed the case, you'd impressively managed to give some pretty solid reasons for getting rid of him. You never know, your gut feeling may be right, but if this is the state of the 'don't sack' argument, I wouldn't even wait until kick-off to fire him!

Yep, as I've said to others this is NOT an endorsement to keep him, it's just a post of my gut feeling of "meh" if he stays and curiosity of seeing his rebuild based on his principles of having higher standards than most of the important players/people at the club (although his team selections do water those standards down )

There are far more reasons to end this chapter than continue to write it. 

[nettle]

Has he improved one single player since he's been here, a resounding no is the answer. In fact everyone has got a lot worse especially people like Buonanotte who at least had a bit of form beforehand and for that reason he should've been sacked ages ago.

I can't see any reason to not get rid of him, people on here say keep him until Top and Rudkin have gone but that seems a  crazy idea to me because they don't look like they are going anywhere. I mean would anyone one trust him to rebuild us with his track record so far because I wouldn't he's clueless tactically and his man management skills seems pretty shit as well in fact I can't see one reason to keep him.

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, Haywood_6 said:

 

I don't support the board. I'm just talking about the manager as that's the topic of this thread. The board is another whole mess of it's own.  

One provides the other, they are not separate in my mind.

[cityfanlee23]

1 minute ago, nettle said:

Has he improved one single player since he's been here, a resounding no is the answer. In fact everyone has got a lot worse especially people like Buonanotte who at least had a bit of form beforehand and for that reason he should've been sacked ages ago.

I can't see any reason to not get rid of him, people on here say keep him until Top and Rudkin have gone but that seems a  crazy idea to me because they don't look like they are going anywhere. I mean would anyone one trust him to rebuild us with his track record so far because I wouldn't he's clueless tactically and his man management skills seems pretty shit as well in fact I can't see one reason to keep him.

I think it's just easier to get rid of a manager than it is to get rid of the board. If Ruud stays in summer we can get rid after 5-6 games without too much issue, if the board is unchanged, we have potentially years of mess to clean up with more overpaid dead wood being signed in summer that we can't shift, and potentially a new manager on a fresh contract that's even worse (don't put it past this lot to do it again) 

[studentofthegame]

Barely given Buananotte a sniff whilst we still had a chance at survival despite him being one of our best players early season

 

First game after relegation is confirmed and he starts him despite the fact he won't be here next season

 

Utter ****ing clown, sooner he is gone the better

[inckley fox]

1 minute ago, cityfanlee23 said:

Yep, as I've said to others this is NOT an endorsement to keep him, it's just a post of my gut feeling of "meh" if he stays and curiosity of seeing his rebuild based on his principles of having higher standards than most of the important players/people at the club (although his team selections do water those standards down )

There are far more reasons to end this chapter than continue to write it. 

To quote Big Nige: 'Well, there you go then'!

 

To be honest, the only solid argument I can think of for keeping hold of Ruud is if the alternative is someone whose primary purpose is to get the likes of Winks and Vestergard back on board. If there are any more concessions to this set of players, I'd go with the guy who already hates them. But, seeing as there are plenty of potential managers out there who might be willing to watch the videos and see, without having to find out for themselves, what a bunch of cretins this lot are, I think I'll have to go with that option.

 

Until I actually see who the next manager is, of course.

[Paninistickers]

Looking forward to him celebrating the 4-0 win for the old gold  on the pitch at the end with Doherty, Jota, Cunha, Traore, Bull, Coady, Mark McGhee, Robert Plant and more!