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[Jon the Hat]

2 hours ago, Parafox said:

 

Is it any wonder BN was smiling and his statement that America (aka Trump) was the greatest ally Israel has ever had.

 

The plan probably will never reach reality. But it clearly is BN's dream come true if it did.

 

Get rid of Palestine/Gaza via Trump and BN has no case to answer. Win win for him.

 

But, Trump being Trump, there has to be something in it for him. The question is, what.

The more I think about it, this idea of Gaza’s population moving permanently to neighbouring countries is a threat to those countries that if they don’t help in the short term with money and recognition of Israel they get a much worse outcome.

in the short term it also bolsters BN with the right.

Edited 5 February by Jon the Hat

[ozleicester]

Never forget this imbecile is a representative of and supported by, the conservative side of politics. They care nothing for humanity, the rule of law or respect for others... it is just about them having power.

[Parafox]

1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said:

The more I think about it, this idea of Gaza’s population moving permanently to neighbouring countries is a threat to those countries that if they don’t help in the short term with money and recognition of Israel they get a much worse outcome.

in the short term it also bolsters BN with the right.

 

That's almost blackmail, though.

 

Jordan and Egypt have refused to accept any Gazans/Palestinians that could be forced from their "land". And rightly so. Why should they?

 

It's like DT wants to remove any threat to Israel by whatever means and then build golf courses and expensive hotels in their place.

 

Move the shit out and move the wealthy in. Massive money to be made. But not for the people of Gaza, a place that is their home and where their lives are. They're just an inconvenience that needs to be removed.

 

And his claim that the US would be responsible for removing any mines and other left over military ordinance and clearing the devastation Israel has wreaked in order to protect returning Gazans is ridiculous. Of course he'd say that. It's a tactic towards his end goal.

 

Money to be made.

 

He's not a politician. He's a businessman who's only POV is me first, you take it or leave it. And he's always beaten people down to get what he wants.

 

It's not MAGA, it's MDTGA.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 6 February by Parafox

[WigstonWanderer]

5 hours ago, Lionator said:

This really is the biggest peak of peak Trump. What a maniac. 

FFS What a totally inhuman cvnt he is. This goes beyond just trolling lefties. I think this really is how his mind works. I thought the Israelis might go for a clean out and land grab but didn’t imagine the USA might get directly involved. He definitely wants a slice of the pie. Perhaps he and Netanyahu might fall out over divvying up the spoils.

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, ozleicester said:

Never forget this imbecile is a representative of and supported by, the conservative side of politics. They care nothing for humanity, the rule of law or respect for others... it is just about them having power.

And to back this up...while Trump is distracting people with all this bombast about Gaza, Musk and his staffers are staging what is tantamount to an administrative coup d'etat at as many federal agencies as they can reach. Something which appears to be happening below the radar and not well reported right now. The Beeb has an article on what's going onat USAID, but only obliquely mentions the many other federal organisations being targeted at the same time.

 

What happens when they knock on the door of those impartial who oversee the electoral process?

Edited 6 February by leicsmac

[WigstonWanderer]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

And to back this up...while Trump is distracting people with all this bombast about Gaza, Musk and his staffers are staging what is tantamount to an administrative coup d'etat at as many federal agencies as they can reach. Something which appears to be happening below the radar and not well reported right now. The Beeb has an article on what's going onat USAID, but only obliquely mentions the many other federal organisations being targeted at the same time.

 

What happens when they knock on the door of those impartial who oversee the electoral process?

It seems American democracy is there for the taking Orban style. Only the courts seem to stand in their way and with the tossers in the SCOTUS I can’t see how it can be stopped if that’s what they really intend to do.

[Tommy G]

11 hours ago, Lionator said:

This really is the biggest peak of peak Trump. What a maniac. 

You do realise he is talking about N. Korea here and not Gaza, and that quote is about 5 years old.

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

You do realise he is talking about N. Korea here and not Gaza, and that quote is about 5 years old.

Is there any real difference in terms of sentiment and ideal between when he was talking about that and how's he's talking about Gaza now, though?

 

I don't see any.

[Tommy G]

13 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Is there any real difference in terms of sentiment and ideal between when he was talking about that and how's he's talking about Gaza now, though?

 

I don't see any.

I disagree with what his intentions are for Gaza. But picking a quote out from years ago and dumping it in the middle of the Gaza discussion muddies the waters.

 

Secondly, the context of his comments about N. Korea were not about a hostile takeover of their country, so fundamentally different. 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

I disagree with what his intentions are for Gaza.

I'm glad, but I'd hope that's a pretty low bar clearable but anyone with the vaguest hint of a conscience tbh.

 

23 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

But picking a quote out from years ago and dumping it in the middle of the Gaza discussion muddies the waters.

 

Secondly, the context of his comments about N. Korea were not about a hostile takeover of their country, so fundamentally different. 

Fair to say.

 

That all being said, the intent from him and his backers in this case is pretty damn clear imo.

 

Edit: to clarify my point, the truth and being exact is important, but something being true and exact is no longer a defence against these people.

Edited 6 February by leicsmac

[Tommy G]

14 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

I'm glad, but I'd hope that's a pretty low bar clearable but anyone with the vaguest hint of a conscience tbh.

 

Fair to say.

 

That all being said, the intent from him and his backers in this case is pretty damn clear imo.

 

Edit: to clarify my point, the truth and being exact is important, but something being true and exact is no longer a defence against these people.

Agreed on all your points, Trump is the master of ''fake news!'' and hoodwinking the audience, we should try and stick to facts, there is plenty of information out there to pin him on and something about N.Korea 5 years ago mixed in the same cake as Gaza isn't one of them. 

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Agreed on all your points, Trump is the master of ''fake news!'' and hoodwinking the audience, we should try and stick to facts, there is plenty of information out there to pin him on and something about N.Korea 5 years ago mixed in the same cake as Gaza isn't one of them. 

Going high should be the way to go, agreed.

 

However (and this is the scary part), is sticking to facts, as well intentioned and right as it may be, helping or going to help much given the current situation?

 

These people aren't swayed by honest discussion or being shown things that are true, as much as I'd like to believe in the power of debate.

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, leicsmac said:

Going high should be the way to go, agreed.

 

However (and this is the scary part), is sticking to facts, as well intentioned and right as it may be, helping or going to help much given the current situation?

 

These people aren't swayed by honest discussion or being shown things that are true, as much as I'd like to believe in the power of debate.

Nevermind, I think I've made my point. I didn't say it would help or wouldn't help I was just making the point about misinformation and facts, doesn't need this much back and forth 

[leicsmac]

4 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Nevermind, I think I've made my point. I didn't say it would help or wouldn't help I was just making the point about misinformation and facts, doesn't need this much back and forth 

And that point is taken on board, and you're right about it.

[WigstonWanderer]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

You do realise he is talking about N. Korea here and not Gaza, and that quote is about 5 years old.

Thanks for setting the record straight and yes, I agree that it shouldn’t be used in the current context. It means that my reply to the original post is probably inappropriate. However, he did talk a couple of days ago about Gaza becoming the Riviera of the Middle East, apparently absent the Palestinians which is surely ethnic cleansing.

Edited 6 February by WigstonWanderer

[Tommy G]

12 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said:

Thanks for setting the record straight and yes, I agree that it shouldn’t be used in the current context. It means that my reply to the original post is probably inappropriate. However, he did talk a couple of days ago about Gaza becoming the Riviera of the Middle East, apparently absent the Palestinians which is surely ethnic cleansing.

Agreed!!!

[leicsmac]

Well, that's not great either...

 

[Dunge]

11 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Well, that's not great either...

 

I keep on coming back to the thought that this is a big opportunity for the UK. If the American administration is doing down science and removing resources, we should be stepping up to collaborate and potentially profit.

[RonnieTodger]

I find the backlash to Grenfell’s demolition quite bizarre. 
 

I understand the sentiment and need for a reminder, but you can’t leave it there forever. 

Edited 6 February by RonnieTodger

[Tommy G]

8 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

I find the backlash to Grenfell’s demolition quite bizarre. 
 

I understand the sentiment and need for a reminder, but you can’t leave it there forever. 

Have to agree - full support here of Labours decision. Whilst it is difficult for grieving families and I can't imagine what the past 8 years have been like, it can't stay there as a memorial and it's the right decision to demolish it. 

[leicsmac]

23 minutes ago, Dunge said:

I keep on coming back to the thought that this is a big opportunity for the UK. If the American administration is doing down science and removing resources, we should be stepping up to collaborate and potentially profit.

I agree, but we can't do that by ourselves.

 

Collaboration will be required.

[Tommy G]

Away from the USA for a min.

 

Interest rates cut but inflation expected to hit ~4% mid year and UK growth forecast slashed in half, narrowly avoiding recession. 

[Dr The Singh]

39 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Away from the USA for a min.

 

Interest rates cut but inflation expected to hit ~4% mid year and UK growth forecast slashed in half, narrowly avoiding recession. 

Growth forecast halved, less likely to get more interest rates cut.

 

But lets not worry in 25 years we will have a 3rd runway at Heathrow and Silicon Valley, happy days, if i'm still alive.

[ajthefox]

1 hour ago, RonnieTodger said:

I find the backlash to Grenfell’s demolition quite bizarre. 
 

I understand the sentiment and need for a reminder, but you can’t leave it there forever. 

 

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Have to agree - full support here of Labours decision. Whilst it is difficult for grieving families and I can't imagine what the past 8 years have been like, it can't stay there as a memorial and it's the right decision to demolish it. 

I disagree, I actually think keeping the building and doing some sort of memorial at the ground level would be better and more powerful than anything that is likely to happen.

 

With that said, I imagine there is a liability issue for the council so keeping it probably doesn't have any support from the authorities. I expect if someone had been held accountable and punishments had been dished out there would probably be less opposition.

 

 

[foxy boxing]

2 hours ago, RonnieTodger said:

I find the backlash to Grenfell’s demolition quite bizarre. 
 

I understand the sentiment and need for a reminder, but you can’t leave it there forever. 

The families and campaigners don't want it demolished while no one has been held accountable for it. If it gets demolished while still waiting for justice and for those to be charged, it will slip out of most peoples minds which politicians and those who run the local council want it to. Its thereas a permanent reminder of the corruption and failings of those responsible.