Foxes Trust latest statement!

[blabyboy]

10 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

The minutes of the first FAB meeting details all the fan representatives (who all serve for 3 years) and who was elected as Co Chair of the FAB and to Chair each FCC Working Group (all chair roles are for the first year)

 

https://assets.ctfassets.net/0wcpt07qzvlh/6t3siNTTgPa9LXlLoP8mwr/b93130f82bc33121d96496681b3762a1/Fan-Advisory-Board-Meeting-One-.pdf

Forgive me @Foxes_Trust 

Can you please cite in that document where it says that the elected person serves for 3 years please. I can only see one pertinent section on voting where it cites Mr Ian Bason for 24/25.

 

I've searched for both terms of "3 years" and "36 months"  on the document but had no positive returns.

[CosbehFox]

6 hours ago, Tommy G said:

But that doesn’t answer his question?

 

There is zero detail here. 

What context is the poster after? 

[Raj]

7 hours ago, The Fosse Way said:

You can’t expect any supporters’ group with minimal backing from the fanbase 

This.

Foxes Trust summed up just here.

How many members are there currently?

[CosbehFox]

28 minutes ago, Raj said:

This.

Foxes Trust summed up just here.

How many members are there currently?

660ish
 

You’d be lucky if we have 1,000 fan group members over the five organisations.
 

I think the answer is somewhere in there. A fanbase largely apathetic (partly why the protest was encouraging was that 700 people were willing to do something) but as we’ve seen there’s no plans on continuing any protests, project reset has checked out, so the apathy continues. 
 

I give you a good example. A poster came on here last year to see up a new fan group about the discontent. Fosse Collective. People commented about it being a good idea. The website no longer works and there has not been a single post since the first flurry 

Edited 17 February by CosbehFox

[Raj]

43 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

660ish
 

You’d be lucky if we have 1,000 fan group members over the five organisations.
 

I think the answer is somewhere in there. A fanbase largely apathetic (partly why the protest was encouraging was that 700 people were willing to do something) but as we’ve seen there’s no plans on continuing any protests, project reset has checked out, so the apathy continues. 
 

I give you a good example. A poster came on here last year to see up a new fan group about the discontent. Fosse Collective. People commented about it being a good idea. The website no longer works and there has not been a single post since the first flurry 

Unfortunately as the likes of Lako and other(probably including myself) will say about our fanbase is you cant imagine us lot really getting angry and chucking tennis balls onto the pitch and having banners and prolonged marches.

I'm the only one out of my group who is vocal about the direction  and leadership of the club, the rest are" well it could be worse and be happy that we have won everything etc etc"

 

I remember all the fans getting together when they fought the superleague, it was a great gathering...unfortunately we just don't have that mentality at LCFC and it left to the likes of Bason and Ginetta's inner circle who do things for their own publicity and benefit.

 

I was part of the FCC years ago when Mandaric was in charge then i KNEW straight away all these meetings are just BS and tick box exercises and the fans groups just love the sound of their own voice and like to feel; important over a few free biscuits and sarnies if they are lucky.

 

Good luck to the new lot trying to infiltrate the inner echelon of the group

 

[Foxes_Trust]

4 hours ago, blabyboy said:

Forgive me @Foxes_Trust 

Can you please cite in that document where it says that the elected person serves for 3 years please. I can only see one pertinent section on voting where it cites Mr Ian Bason for 24/25.

 

I've searched for both terms of "3 years" and "36 months"  on the document but had no positive returns.

The minutes shared only detail the terms of office for the chair/co-chair roles.

 

The document that states the FAB fan reps will serve for a 3 year term isn’t on the club website, so there isn’t a club link we can share, but it is factual.

[Foxes_Trust]

35 minutes ago, Raj said:

I remember all the fans getting together when they fought the superleague, it was a great gathering...unfortunately we just don't have that mentality at LCFC and it left to the likes of Bason and Ginetta's inner circle who do things for their own publicity and benefit.

 

Interesting that you highlighted the Super League campaign and the impact it had on the parliamentary Fan Led Review. (FLR)

 

The Foxes Trust were heavily involved in that campaign at the outset, the protests were focused on the big clubs initially because it was fans of those potentially joining the Super League that needed to demonstrate they didn’t want it, but it was a very co-ordinated campaign across all FSA affiliated fan groups.

 

As the FLR progressed, the Foxes Trust lobbied local MP’s, met with a good number of them & Bason gave evidence to the enquiry panel and made direct reference to the lip service during the Mandaric era.

[Raj]

1 minute ago, Foxes_Trust said:

Interesting that you highlighted the Super League campaign and the impact it had on the parliamentary Fan Led Review. (FLR)

 

The Foxes Trust were heavily involved in that campaign at the outset, the protests were focused on the big clubs initially because it was fans of those potentially joining the Super League that needed to demonstrate they didn’t want it, but it was a very co-ordinated campaign across all FSA affiliated fan groups.

 

As the FLR progressed, the Foxes Trust lobbied local MP’s, met with a good number of them & Bason gave evidence to the enquiry panel and made direct reference to the lip service during the Mandaric era.

Brilliant well done i'll get the MBE nominations out for doing something

[Globalfox]

6 hours ago, blabyboy said:

One for @Foxes_Trust

Did Mr Ian Bason sign the NDA for himself or as the Foxes Trust?

A bigger question is has anyone actually signed an NDA or is it just implicit because it was in the invitation posting. What exactly does the NDA restrict. Mr Bason as I understand it cannot be representing the Foxes Trust on the FAB as he is not an elected official of the Trust  and therefore cannot speak on our behalf. When do the Trust Officers actually consult the Trust Membership on what the opinion of the Trust members is on given topics. If they do I as a member never see it. Can any officer legally commit the trust to an NDA was this discussed and agreed by all Board Members? The issue is the Trust acts in a vacuum it seems from its members.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

11 hours ago, The Fosse Way said:

You can’t expect any supporters’ group with minimal backing from the fanbase to start getting regular wins out of a club that doesn’t listen, that isn’t interested in being a trailblazer in anything, that treats fan engagement like a tickbox exercise.

 

It’s not the Trust’s decision to make meeting content confidential. We know that dealing with the club is a nightmare and often seems pointless.

I do often wonder what the point of the Trust is, not because of the Trust but because of the club. How do you have any kind of influence over an organisation that treats you with disdain? But you can’t just give up either.

 

For that reason, the Trust clearly needs a win as much as the team does, to justify itself and to show it’s worth reforming in the first place. And it’s still going to sound weak sometimes because it’s one of these organisations where you need sign-off to do anything, so I assume people get nervous and stuff gets watered down before it goes out.

 

You can applaud Union FS statements for strongly condemning the club. But the club is taking the piss out of them on a regular basis, posting photos of their section on social media to try and make the ground look like the Bombonera while simultaneously banning their members without evidence of any offence being committed.
 

Surely hundreds if not thousands of people are furious about stuff like that. Not everyone, or even the majority of fans maybe, but still a lot of people. And that fury should be channelled into strengthening the collective voice of the Trust, Union FS and anything else that comes along like Project Reset if that sticks around, rather than constantly laying into the Trust at the exact time we’ve started to try to drag it into the 21st century.

 

That’s going to take a bit of time, just as Project Reset didn’t look like the Spurs protests today. The Trust badly needs a rebrand in my opinion, as I still associate even that logo with an antiquated way of doing things - which hopefully will change with the new co-chairs, board members and doubled membership numbers. But let’s keep plugging away.

This is very accurate.

 

Very easy to bash the supporter groups (especially when doing nothing proactive), but we could have the most organised, transparent fan groups imaginable and it would make zero difference.

 

Make no mistake. The club do not care about your opinion. They do not listen, take anything on board or value any kind of feedback. This is the culture set by the current ownership. It will not change until they are gone.

[HighPeakFox]

11 hours ago, justfoxes said:

Some of the stewards at the KP and away are so fuching rude, last Saturday V ARSENHOLE one even pushed me and said move on when me and the lad were clapping the team fuching Tw@ in a fuching orange high Vis Cnut , ffs this club has become toxic for the fans it’s like they don’t give a schitt about the ones who buy season tickets year in year out even buy the overpriced piss they call beer which I haven’t done since they got rid of speckled hen the fuchers how fuching dare they !! 
But seriously some of the contracted stewards are just rude thugs and after talking to some fellow fans who like me have had enough of the Bullschitt coming from this club especially with their choice of wanna be high Vis warrior Thug another superb choice of hiring from KP & LCFC for the fans Vichai if you were still here this would not be happening!!

 

Parklife

[CL Fox]

Not necessarily just related to the foxes trust, but a point that's become blindingly obvious is that some of the fan groups are in it for the wrong reasons.

 

Free coaches to away games, a chat with the manager and a few photos, a meeting with the finance director.

 

It's not true for everyone of course, particularly the new members of the foxes trust board / anyone on union fs but the happy to be there / I got to chat to Susan crowd are particularly frustrating and do more damage for the supporters than drive any positive change.

[Daggers]

14 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Make no mistake. The club do not care about your opinion. They do not listen, take anything on board or value any kind of feedback. This is the culture set by the current ownership. It will not change until they are gone.

Unless the club is bought out by a consortium that includes an ex-player or two and a local celebrity/tycoon, there will never be an ownership of the club that gives a fvck about fans…outside of a reset brought about by drastically reduced ticket sales.

 

I keep banging on about it, but boycotting is the only way to bring about meaningful change. That or armed revolution, and I don’t think any of us want to be the one to put down Cousin Dennis.

[Foxes_Trust]

15 hours ago, Globalfox said:

A bigger question is has anyone actually signed an NDA or is it just implicit because it was in the invitation posting. What exactly does the NDA restrict. Mr Bason as I understand it cannot be representing the Foxes Trust on the FAB as he is not an elected official of the Trust  and therefore cannot speak on our behalf. When do the Trust Officers actually consult the Trust Membership on what the opinion of the Trust members is on given topics. If they do I as a member never see it. Can any officer legally commit the trust to an NDA was this discussed and agreed by all Board Members? The issue is the Trust acts in a vacuum it seems from its members.

All FAB fan representatives have individually signed an NDA. 

 

The Foxes Trust as an organisation does not have a formal signed NDA with the club, but the Trust Co Chairs are honouring the basis of the FAB confidentiality during the current series of meetings with the FAB as indicated in our article

Foxes Trust in Dialogue with LCFC – Foxes Trust

 

Mr Bason is an elected official of the Trust, as are all board members not identified as co-opted on our website

[MatthewLCFC]

17 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

Interesting that you highlighted the Super League campaign and the impact it had on the parliamentary Fan Led Review. (FLR)

 

The Foxes Trust were heavily involved in that campaign at the outset, the protests were focused on the big clubs initially because it was fans of those potentially joining the Super League that needed to demonstrate they didn’t want it, but it was a very co-ordinated campaign across all FSA affiliated fan groups.

 

As the FLR progressed, the Foxes Trust lobbied local MP’s, met with a good number of them & Bason gave evidence to the enquiry panel and made direct reference to the lip service during the Mandaric era.

I thought the trust wasn't a protest group

[RYM]

After all the posts I’ve made in here I had the inevitable contact direct from the Trust yesterday.

 

This time in WhatsApp form asking me to talk to someone on the FAB with an independent view of the FAB. To help me understand it better!!!!!

 

I declined as in don’t need another view on the FAB. What I’ve said on here is all based on facts, experience and knowledge. It’s Anthony Herlihys toy for his CV. Around him (mostly not all) carefully selected puppets to tickle his testicles. That’s it.

 

In the exchange I asked all of the questions I wanted answering….again, I think it’s the 4th time.

These covered

- Why the Trust ignored all my requests to speak to the club directly about the FE framework despite knowing my experience and the reason they wanted my help in the first place.
 

- Why I was ignored repeatedly in the summer when I asked the trust to circumnavigate Anthony Herlihy when he was clearly out of his depth with the Fan Engagement strategy.

He and his team were guilty of missing his own deadlines time after time and this went completely unchallenged. Alan Digby at one point getting quite cross with me and saying “give them even more time”!!!
 

This was without doubt the best chance us fans have ever had to expose AH’s incompetence and his continuous lip servicing of the supporter groups, broken promises and complete failure to operate transparently. AH then rushed the FE and FAB plan through forcing the hand of the trust into a short deadline signature of agreement. They could’ve not signed it BTW.

 

(FYI - AH is considered by many, more of a direct threat to us supporters and our experience at our club than Rudkin)

 

- Why the Trust don’t act or follow the aims on their website which lists “holding the club accountable”.

 

Plus other stuff that’s in this thread and other posts.

 

This was greeted with “it isn’t just down to me to respond on behalf of the Trust”. With the offer of then taking it to the committee to reply!!!!!! Cowardly.
 

So it seems there can be selective replies on here to the low hanging fruit at the witching hour but with direct contact (in a conversation started by the man who made all the decisions I’ve questioned) it has to go to the committee.

 

I’m quite tired of all this now. It hits my mental health a lot at times like now as I’ve said before. That was the reason I left football after so long, the reason I had to step back from the initial reform buzz and also the reason I stepped away from the trust when all the above happened and they agreed to a FE structure that doesn’t benefit or favour us fans.

 

It’s frustrating knowing that the trust is run by such incompetent and lazy people who hide behind “I’m a volunteer” when the shit hits the fan. A line used by those that are failing or out of their depth.

 

The Trust absolutely don’t represent you. They represent themselves and being closer to the club than you or I. They represent a Facebook photo with the EPL trophy or in the dugout. 
 

The need for a working trust and the need to challenge the club has outgrown every single one of them, as the club has outgrown most, if not all of the senior management and their teams at the club.

Reform will get there eventually (thank you) and this terrible lot removed (Steve aside). It’s just devastating that the weakness of the board on the trust over the summer agreed to stuff that only favours those on the FAB and of course, those at the club. It also has such a detrimental effect on us supporters for the next three years at least. We have no voice.

 

Keep fighting the fight. I’ll be back at some point no doubt. 
 

Up the Citeh 🦊

 

[SkegnessSteve]

I am more worried that there is a Supporter Engagement team, that is one thing the club do not do very well so there is a team of salaries that could be saved surely.

[UniFox21]

21 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

All FAB fan representatives have individually signed an NDA. 

 

The Foxes Trust as an organisation does not have a formal signed NDA with the club, but the Trust Co Chairs are honouring the basis of the FAB confidentiality during the current series of meetings with the FAB as indicated in our article

Foxes Trust in Dialogue with LCFC – Foxes Trust

 

Mr Bason is an elected official of the Trust, as are all board members not identified as co-opted on our website

This is where I just don't understand the point of the FAB.

 

They create a board to share information with fans and bring them closer in regards to decision making processes to be more transparent. Then lock the information behind NDA's so a handful of fans know what's happening, then selectively allow what can be allowed to us mortals.

 

Tick box at best. 

[Jackubu]

21 hours ago, Foxes_Trust said:

All FAB fan representatives have individually signed an NDA. 

And the person who agreed to it was told by various people it'd be a bad idea to do so. The overall reaction seen to the FAB in recent weeks shouldnt be surprising to anyone who had conversations about it prior to it being confirmed. 

[lcfc278]

It seems to me that the Foxes Trust seem so star struck by literally anyone who works at the club that they will agree to and/or sign anything the club wants them to just to keep them involved and in the loop.

 

I understand there's a good amount of people that are actively trying to reform the trust but it feels like a lost cause tbh. Too many there very happy to bend over and take one from the club just to be able to say they were in the clubs presence.

[Parker Pen]

13 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

It seems to me that the Foxes Trust seem so star struck by literally anyone who works at the club that they will agree to and/or sign anything the club wants them to just to keep them involved and in the loop.

 

I understand there's a good amount of people that are actively trying to reform the trust but it feels like a lost cause tbh. Too many there very happy to bend over and take one from the club just to be able to say they were in the clubs presence.

Thats the problem 100%.  They see the Trust as being an arm of the club and as such won’t hold the club to account at all. Unfortunately they aren’t and won’t let themselves become anything other than this. They are the epitome of Magnolia paint!

 

A direct action Ultra group they are not! I remember seeing the head of a German group (maybe Monchengladbach) chastising their first team in a face to face meeting on YouTube following a spineless home performance!  That’s what is needed.
 

 

[CosbehFox]

34 minutes ago, lcfc278 said:

It seems to me that the Foxes Trust seem so star struck by literally anyone who works at the club that they will agree to and/or sign anything the club wants them to just to keep them involved and in the loop.

 

I understand there's a good amount of people that are actively trying to reform the trust but it feels like a lost cause tbh. Too many there very happy to bend over and take one from the club just to be able to say they were in the clubs presence.

I hear the lost cause line a lot but I ask what other option is there? 
 

The fanbase is inundated with opinion but very few actually want to stand up to make a difference.

 

We will keep going around in circles until the penny drops that the fanbase simply hasn’t done enough to keep organisations of the ilk representative of opinions/views. 
 

It pains me to say that the Trust is a symptom of that. That ‘one too many’ can reverse if people want to join and put themsleves up for election 

[lcfc278]

32 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

I hear the lost cause line a lot but I ask what other option is there? 
 

The fanbase is inundated with opinion but very few actually want to stand up to make a difference.

 

We will keep going around in circles until the penny drops that the fanbase simply hasn’t done enough to keep organisations of the ilk representative of opinions/views. 
 

It pains me to say that the Trust is a symptom of that. That ‘one too many’ can reverse if people want to join and put themsleves up for election 

Absolutely completely agree not enough people want to do something or actively doing something to help turn the tide.

 

However, just from being on Foxestalk you can see that the whole thing stinks. Seeing them cherry pick nice easy questions to respond to, ignore the questions getting asked most commonly, defending the club on things that even the most fair-weather fans could see are serious issues and then seemingly moving the goal posts when the likes of you and others are trying to changes things or make the Trust more effective. It's hard to get up for it when half the battle will be with the Trust themselves before you even start thinking about trying to approach the club about actual issues.

 

Not knocking you at all, you're clearly putting time and effort in to try but it feels like a lost battle before even starting it. 

[goose2010]

On 18/02/2025 at 00:49, Foxes_Trust said:

All FAB fan representatives have individually signed an NDA. 

 

The Foxes Trust as an organisation does not have a formal signed NDA with the club, but the Trust Co Chairs are honouring the basis of the FAB confidentiality during the current series of meetings with the FAB as indicated in our article

Foxes Trust in Dialogue with LCFC – Foxes Trust

 

Mr Bason is an elected official of the Trust, as are all board members not identified as co-opted on our website

hang on so let me get this right in my head. The club has asked for an NDA to be put in place and its been signed??  The FAB or who ever from the trust should of walked out there and then. 

 

The club is just basically dictating what can be said to its own fans? and you lot think that is alright?? 

 

honestly. 

[slymunn]

On 18/02/2025 at 00:49, Foxes_Trust said:

All FAB fan representatives have individually signed an NDA. 

 

The Foxes Trust as an organisation does not have a formal signed NDA with the club, but the Trust Co Chairs are honouring the basis of the FAB confidentiality during the current series of meetings with the FAB as indicated in our article

Foxes Trust in Dialogue with LCFC – Foxes Trust

 

Mr Bason is an elected official of the Trust, as are all board members not identified as co-opted on our website

What information does the NDA state to cover if you don't mind me asking?

They have to be set up with the requested information, so anything away from the signed document is able to be released without issues.