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1 hour ago, Winstonthedog said:

Could somebody please explain to me ... why Rohl is the right man for the job ? and what is on his CV to point to this ? 

In all seriousness - if we don't get Rohl he's almost certain to go on  and do well. It was a minor miracle what he did at Sheff Wednesday. He walked into a complete mess and managed to turn them into a stable  team. won the most points from losing positions in the league so he's capable tactically. His background is in performance analysis and he works very hard preparing his teams according to their fans. Now imagine what he can do with a better squad, more resources and better infrastructure. 

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Just wondering about his visa situation... Assuming it says he can work for "Sheffield Wednesday", does that mean we need a new visa for him which is up to us how organised we are at that? Days? Or keep him on his current visa for now.

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1 hour ago, Winstonthedog said:

Could somebody please explain to me ... why Rohl is the right man for the job ? and what is on his CV to point to this ? 

 

Erm, if Enzo Maresca was the young, highly regarded, up and coming manager in the image of Pep Guardiola then Danny Rohl is these things but for Hansi Flick. 

 

Only Maresca's first stint in senior management was a bit of a flop at Parma where as Rohl has managed to get a batshit Wednesday with a terrible squad to stabilise at this level. 

 

One of the biggest criticisms from our fans over the last 5-10 years has been that we've continually moved towards playing football that is too patient, too slow and often too passive. 

 

The expectation that has people excited is that Rohl will want a team that's extremely fit, presses hard and knows when to go direct, being less patient in possession and somewhat less afraid of risk. 

 

It is worth establishing that the Germany side he worked on with Flick did have some issues when it comes to breaking down teams and playing too slowly.

 

It's also worth saying that his Wednesday loved the dreaded Mid Block, which is one of the most turgid ways to defend and is how Ruud plays. So we'll have to see what he does here. 

 

Mostly, let's be honest, the biggest excitement with Rohl is that he isn't Dyche or O'Neil. We could do a lot, lot worse. 

 

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1 hour ago, Loxm said:

 

Yes, it is indeed bollocks. The whole thing is that Rohl has been negotiating a reduced fee to leave, which his new club would then pay. If he just left, the hiring club would still have pay compensation to Wednesday, as otherwise managers would just do that all the time. 

 

Have been pretty nonplussed about the whole situation given the overall state of the club, but then it dawned on me that we are now 3 days into pre-season with no new manager. If the club are holding out to save a few quid it blows my mind. Happy to piss away millions and not negotiate on incoming wages when they should be, but when there is a critical need for something, they dig their heels in.

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2 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Yes, it is indeed bollocks. The whole thing is that Rohl has been negotiating a reduced fee to leave, which his new club would then pay. If he just left, the hiring club would still have pay compensation to Wednesday, as otherwise managers would just do that all the time. 

 

Have been pretty nonplussed about the whole situation given the overall state of the club, but then it dawned on me that we are now 3 days into pre-season with no new manager. If the club are holding out to save a few quid it blows my mind. Happy to piss away millions and not negotiate on incoming wages when they should be, but when there is a critical need for something, they did their heels in.

 

If (IF) we have a verbal agreement in place with either Rohl or his agent to come here, I'd much rather we wait for a couple of days for him to resolve his exit from Wednesday?

 

If it's the difference between paying several million or maybe a few hundred thousand quid, surely that's worth waiting a day or two?

 

Obviously if the players have been back for weeks then we'd be getting a bit antsy but they've literally just started training and will predominantly be doing fitness work that anyone could coach right now. Don't think, in reality, we're really missing all that much at the moment, it just seems far more drastic than it is because we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the news with nothing to fill the void on here. Being honest, we (as in FoxesTalk) do this all the time.

 

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5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If (IF) we have a verbal agreement in place with either Rohl or his agent to come here, I'd much rather we wait for a couple of days for him to resolve his exit from Wednesday?

 

If it's the difference between paying several million or maybe a few hundred thousand quid, surely that's worth waiting a day or two?

 

Obviously if the players have been back for weeks then we'd be getting a bit antsy but they've literally just started training and will predominantly be doing fitness work that anyone could coach right now. Don't think, in reality, we're really missing all that much at the moment, it just seems far more drastic than it is because we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the news with nothing to fill the void on here. Being honest, we (as in FoxesTalk) do this all the time.

 

It's not training I'm worried about but rather signings. 

 

If we are to be shopping in the loans/free transfer market like many expect, there will be a lot of competition for those players. The quicker we go for our targets the better but it wouldn't be ideal to do that without an input of the guy who will be playing them. 

 

I'm not at panic stations yet and yes, I can see the logic of holding off to get our man for the best possible price but it SHOULD be in our minds that it needs to be sorted sooner rather than later. 

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7 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

If (IF) we have a verbal agreement in place with either Rohl or his agent to come here, I'd much rather we wait for a couple of days for him to resolve his exit from Wednesday?

 

If it's the difference between paying several million or maybe a few hundred thousand quid, surely that's worth waiting a day or two?

 

Obviously if the players have been back for weeks then we'd be getting a bit antsy but they've literally just started training and will predominantly be doing fitness work that anyone could coach right now. Don't think, in reality, we're really missing all that much at the moment, it just seems far more drastic than it is because we're all on the edge of our seats waiting for the news with nothing to fill the void on here. Being honest, we (as in FoxesTalk) do this all the time.

 

As I said, I'm pretty relaxed about it (realise that puts me in the minority!

 

Waiting a day or 2 yes. Losing 2 weeks as that tweet suggests, absolutely not. I take your point that it's just the fitness work currently, but it's also eating into time when the manager can assess what the players are like in terms of character and attitude, how he envisages them fitting in to his tactics etc. Whatever excuses are put out there, the club have had 3 months to think about it and get something in place.

 

Point is, the manager is the one thing you don't piss around with. I absolutely would happily lose a couple of £m from the recruitment budget if it had meant Röhl or whoever being in place from the start, vs saving that to waste a couple of weeks. This is the time he can have the most impact. And that impact is potentially worth a lot more than a few £m.

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1 minute ago, Scotch said:

It's not training I'm worried about but rather signings. 

 

If we are to be shopping in the loans/free transfer market like many expect, there will be a lot of competition for those players. The quicker we go for our targets the better but it wouldn't be ideal to do that without an input of the guy who will be playing them. 

 

I'm not at panic stations yet and yes, I can see the logic of holding off to get our man for the best possible price but it SHOULD be in our minds that it needs to be sorted sooner rather than later. 

 

Look, the situation isn't ideal, in the perfect world we'd be better run and wouldn't even be in this position. 

 

But given we are where we are, a couple of days isn't going to be the end of the world for us. If we were less wasteful with money we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place, so being a bit prudent and letting Wednesday take the hit is an improvement.

 

It also makes it increasingly likely we ARE actually waiting for Rohl. If it was Dyche or O'Neil or someone else, we'd have had them in pretty much immediately following Ruud's departure, which is nice.

 

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28 minutes ago, Loxm said:

 

why do i feel like this is going to massively backfire on us

club is beyond sodding tight and do they even know if he wants to come here

 

my days 

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19 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Yes, it is indeed bollocks. The whole thing is that Rohl has been negotiating a reduced fee to leave, which his new club would then pay. If he just left, the hiring club would still have pay compensation to Wednesday, as otherwise managers would just do that all the time. 

 

Have been pretty nonplussed about the whole situation given the overall state of the club, but then it dawned on me that we are now 3 days into pre-season with no new manager. If the club are holding out to save a few quid it blows my mind. Happy to piss away millions and not negotiate on incoming wages when they should be, but when there is a critical need for something, they did their heels in.

Totally different scenario to other managers wanting out as they’ve surely breached the contract by not paying him 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

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Also, I should have added that the longer we wait, the less likely we are to see younger players feature. The manager will have less time to see how hard they have worked/how ready they are etc. If he's got a couple of weeks less, it will be much easier to bail out and go for an experienced player in the team as it's a 'safer' option.

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2 minutes ago, dbtcity said:

Totally different scenario to other managers wanting out as they’ve surely breached the contract by not paying him 🤷🏼‍♂️ 

That's true but then it would be this 14/15 day rule (if he has not been paid), in which case it certainly wouldn't be the end of next week, so that tweet is still bollocks

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1 minute ago, FrankieADZ said:

why do i feel like this is going to massively backfire on us

club is beyond sodding tight and do they even know if he wants to come here

 

my days 

Until any ink is dry on that contract then he isn't here. But the rumours are that personal terms have been agreed so i would presume the club and him are in communication with each other. I fail to believe that they havent even spoken to each other.

 

But, unless a contract is signed then any other club can come in and take him. So it could definitely fall apart still.

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3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

It also makes it increasingly likely we ARE actually waiting for Rohl. If it was Dyche or O'Neil or someone else, we'd have had them in pretty much immediately following Ruud's departure, which is nice.

 

This is what's making me most nervous. Yes, what you say makes perfect logical sense but just look at the Ruud sacking itself. It made sense to sack him immediately after the season ended. Alternatively, it made sense to wait until the new accounting year. We did neither, we kept Ruud until 5 days before the new financial season and THEN sacked him.

 

Logic isn't our friend here at Leicester as I'm sure you know. Would you be at all shocked if we dragged our heels for a few more weeks and then went for someone we could have gotten months ago? 

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4 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

they even know if he wants to come here

 

I do think we probably have previous, recently even, for waiting too long for an unsure manager to make up his mind (Potter, for example.)

 

But, as much as we like to think the club are entirely useless, I can't imagine we'd have gotten to this point in pre-season and be waiting for Rohl if we hadn't had assurance from him he wanted the move. 

 

That doesn't mean a last minute swoop from the Bundesliga isn't still possible but we must have had some indication from him or his agent. 

 

Even with Potter last year, we'd given up and opted for Cooper by June 20th.

 

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3 minutes ago, dmayne7 said:

Yes, it is indeed bollocks. The whole thing is that Rohl has been negotiating a reduced fee to leave, which his new club would then pay. If he just left, the hiring club would still have pay compensation to Wednesday, as otherwise managers would just do that all the time. 

 

Have been pretty nonplussed about the whole situation given the overall state of the club, but then it dawned on me that we are now 3 days into pre-season with no new manager. If the club are holding out to save a few quid it blows my mind. Happy to piss away millions and not negotiate on incoming wages when they should be, but when there is a critical need for something, they did their heels in.

Rohl may be buying out of his contract directly, which for both managers and players are now allowed but rare. By not paying staff and players, Rohl is definitely in a better position to negotiate any clause lower. I am sure he'll expect a good signing on bonus wherever he goes, which will cover the cost to buy himself out. It be worth any eventual club to wait.

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4 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

I do think we probably have previous, recently even, for waiting too long for an unsure manager to make up his mind (Potter, for example.)

 

But, as much as we like to think the club are entirely useless, I can't imagine we'd have gotten to this point in pre-season and be waiting for Rohl if we hadn't had assurance from him he wanted the move. 

 

That doesn't mean a last minute swoop from the Bundesliga isn't still possible but we must have had some indication from him or his agent. 

 

Even with Potter last year, we'd given up and opted for Cooper by June 20th.

 

luckily i dont think that will happen since theyve all got managers

 

but as you said, the club has previous

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1 hour ago, jv1 said:

Yep Enzo was and it did - judgement or luck? Who knows 

 

everyone apart from the board new cooper was a disaster- he hadn’t actually won anything anywhere either - forest finished 6th in the championship- a truly awful appointment in every way 

 

my opinion only but for me dyche would have been a very solid choice for our current situation and he has won this league 3 times I think with way worse squads and resources than we have 

I mean I think Cooper was bad for us but the bolded bit is factually incorrect assuming you mean the season they were promoted. He picked them up in the relegation zone and they finished 4th, 10 points clear of 7th. They were damn lucky in the play off final but to try and pull apart the job he did (as much as I can’t stand them) in getting them up the table just comes across as bitter. They were actually in with a shout of automatics and lost 1-0 to Bournemouth in a bit of a direct shoot out if I remember rightly, with a game or so to go.

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Surely we could just employ all out of contract staff now, then Rohl when this is sorted out? 

 

They know his training etc, plus could always keep the WhatsApp group they already have for information etc :) 

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I would be very surprised if there is an announcement today.  Bad optics to put out an optimistic good news story with the sad Jota news in the background.  

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3 minutes ago, FrankieADZ said:

luckily i dont think that will happen since theyve all got managers

 

but as you said, the club has previous

 

Augsburg and Wolfsburg both now recruited? Ha shows how much attention I've been paying. 

 

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9 minutes ago, cityfanlee23 said:

I don’t think that rumour is true, but it would be the most Leicester city thing ever to haggle over £1m only for a big German club to pull the trigger and get in contact with Rohl, and we then end up going for Dyche and have to pay him higher wages that end up costing us more than the £1m we were haggling over. 
 

Just get him through the door. Rohl is worth far more to this damn club than the difference between buying a £5m player and a £6m player. 


If they are indeed waiting for him to somehow exit even cheaper they better have a pretty concrete assurance that he wants to come here. 

All Bundesliga sides have managers or have managers incoming. 2.Bundesliga sides won't pay £1m in compo for a manager.

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3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Augsburg and Wolfsburg both now recruited? Ha shows how much attention I've been paying. 

 

yeah they have, 

also pay more attention lol

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