General News Thread

[leicsmac]

37 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

If his objective was to plant a seed of doubt about where / how Europe & Asia gets its goods then he has achieved it.

 

If the US now get more orders for oil, gas, raw materials, fertilisers etc off the back of this it’ll go down as a master stroke, end of the day preserving human life is not the aim it’s about making money, clearing US debt and overall control.

 

I would not be at all surprised if Putin appears in the plan & picks up Asia requirements with the US getting Europe, stripping money & control away from the Middle East, after preplanned talks with Trump and him going down as stopping another war…win win for US & Russia.

 

We are just ♟️in their💃🕺

Begging pardon, but this whole post has the tone of the bolded being absolutely justifiable, if not outright acceptably good. 

[CornwallFox]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I haven’t seen the greens denying the policy of 55mph.  Surely that would be the easiest way of shutting it down ?

tbh, their eco policies have been notably absent from public discourse - I assume that’s not their doing but the media highlighting the other stuff. 

It's not been in a manifesto or party policy for 16 years. Should they really need to go around debunking every lie spread on social media? Should we not expect the proper media to just be, you know, honest? 

[CornwallFox]

56 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

If his objective was to plant a seed of doubt about where / how Europe & Asia gets its goods then he has achieved it.

 

If the US now get more orders for oil, gas, raw materials, fertilisers etc off the back of this it’ll go down as a master stroke, end of the day preserving human life is not the aim it’s about making money, clearing US debt and overall control.

 

I would not be at all surprised if Putin appears in the plan & picks up Asia requirements with the US getting Europe, stripping money & control away from the Middle East, after preplanned talks with Trump and him going down as stopping another war…win win for US & Russia.

 

We are just ♟️in their💃🕺

Would you now order more from the US? I'm not sure they're selling more to the world after their behaviour over the last year. 

Tourism is down, countries have been setting up alternative suppliers for stuff like military equipment. 

There are moves by some countries to stop selling oil in dollars.

Not sure it's a very good plan if that's their plan. 

[Jattdogg]

Well done to trump, the cost of that war must be immense both from lives lost, money wasted on bombs, jet fuels and of course the epic failure of many destroyed aircraft. Not to mention damage caused across the middle east.

 

.....Oh but he got regime change.......

 

Ya thats like you being taken out and having don Jr take over. Regime change my arse.

 

Total fuk up of regular people's lives across the world, more hatred of the USA.

 

Take a bow sir, such an amazing leader with very, very high IQ.

 

Edited 8 April by Jattdogg

[CornwallFox]

6 minutes ago, Jattdogg said:

Well done to trump, the cost of that war must be immense both from lives lost, money wasted on bombs, jet fuels and of course the epic failure of many destroyed aircraft. Not to mention damage caused across the middle east.

 

.....Oh but he got regime change.......

 

Ya thats like you being taken out and having don Jr take over. Regime change my arse.

 

Total fuk up of regular people's lives across the world, more hatred of the USA.

 

Take a bow sir, such an amazing leader with very, very high IQ.

 

By all accounts the son was already running things, the dad was just the figurehead

[Trav Le Bleu]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

im assuming this is a joke?

 

both as bad as each other

One wanted to obliterate a country, the other was willing to not even risk it.

 

Yes, I was being ironic, but I hardly need to be.

[MPH]

50 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said:

One wanted to obliterate a country, the other was willing to not even risk it.

 

Yes, I was being ironic, but I hardly need to be.

 

Iran literally just asked their own citizens to go stand on bridges  and in front of buildings  the U.S were threatening to blow up. They’ve been torturing their own citizens and killing those who dare to even have a voice  against them they have been murdering and raping women for refusing to cover  their faces.  Like I said, they are both as bad as each other.  But to try and make Iran  and its current leaders out as somehow morally better towards humanity is revisionist thinking at its finest.

[BKLFox]

4 hours ago, leicsmac said:

Begging pardon, but this whole post has the tone of the bolded being absolutely justifiable, if not outright acceptably good. 

Far from it, I’m merely trying to understand his thought process despite him suggesting he was doing it for the good of the Iranian people.

Do you honestly believe that ‘The Man’ as in those with power and money really care about us little guys still? 

[BKLFox]

4 hours ago, CornwallFox said:

Would you now order more from the US? I'm not sure they're selling more to the world after their behaviour over the last year. 

Tourism is down, countries have been setting up alternative suppliers for stuff like military equipment. 

There are moves by some countries to stop selling oil in dollars.

Not sure it's a very good plan if that's their plan. 

I think yourself and maybe @leicsmac believe I condone his actions with my post & let’s clear that up straight away, of course I don’t.

 

My post is more a musing of why he could be doing it, planting seeds & expecting the world to rush to his feet begging for scraps if industries grind to a halt.

The seed planting for sure has landed, you wouldn’t be much of a leader if you didn’t take notice of how quickly that channel of water can be blocked & easily defended, it will be the same for the Suez Canal.
I’m sure there will be plenty of countries now looking to see if they need to shift a few eggs into different baskets & if they do which 2 countries are likely to benefit?

It’s to soon to see which way the rest of the world sways but a seed has been planted for sure, 1 way or the other.

 

 

[CruzNoir]

Nobody actually believes what Trump and his administration say do they???

 

the fact he threatened too obliterate 90 million people should push those around him too vote too activate article 25, but we know he’s surrounded by Christian whack jobs (the extremest kind) who are all equally as warped as Trump.

 

The stuff this administration is coming out with and the posts from Trump are actually F’ing mental

 

there’s no ceasefire, Israel is bombing ten bells out of Lebanon 

 

 

[leicsmac]

49 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Far from it, I’m merely trying to understand his thought process despite him suggesting he was doing it for the good of the Iranian people.

Do you honestly believe that ‘The Man’ as in those with power and money really care about us little guys still? 

Fair enough. 

 

Personally, I think that among that class with power and money there is a rather obvious distinction between those who want to use that power to guarantee a future for themselves and everyone else, and those who simply want it to abuse it at the expense of everyone else until the world burns. 

 

And rather than accept that abuse of power as a seeming fait accompli, rather people might seek to resist it in whatever way they can, however small, as opposed to simply stating it as a fact of life and so making the doom of us all a certainty rather than a probability. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

I think yourself and maybe @leicsmac believe I condone his actions with my post & let’s clear that up straight away, of course I don’t.

 

My post is more a musing of why he could be doing it, planting seeds & expecting the world to rush to his feet begging for scraps if industries grind to a halt.

The seed planting for sure has landed, you wouldn’t be much of a leader if you didn’t take notice of how quickly that channel of water can be blocked & easily defended, it will be the same for the Suez Canal.
I’m sure there will be plenty of countries now looking to see if they need to shift a few eggs into different baskets & if they do which 2 countries are likely to benefit?

It’s to soon to see which way the rest of the world sways but a seed has been planted for sure, 1 way or the other.

 

 

I think this is an entirely possible motivation. 

 

Let's hope as much of the rest of the world sees it for what it is - crude Might Makes Right abusive behaviour - and chooses to leave both him, and such behaviour, back with in such knuckle-dragging times with such knuckle-draggers, where it and they belong.

[CornwallFox]

56 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

I think yourself and maybe @leicsmac believe I condone his actions with my post & let’s clear that up straight away, of course I don’t.

 

My post is more a musing of why he could be doing it, planting seeds & expecting the world to rush to his feet begging for scraps if industries grind to a halt.

The seed planting for sure has landed, you wouldn’t be much of a leader if you didn’t take notice of how quickly that channel of water can be blocked & easily defended, it will be the same for the Suez Canal.
I’m sure there will be plenty of countries now looking to see if they need to shift a few eggs into different baskets & if they do which 2 countries are likely to benefit?

It’s to soon to see which way the rest of the world sways but a seed has been planted for sure, 1 way or the other.

 

 

No I didn't assume you supported him, just responding it would be a pretty poor play. But then again everything he's done in the last few months has lost America it's standing in the world so I'm not sure he cares or probably even realises.

[Lionator]

Some of the videos of Beirut on social media, what a disgrace for the civilians. 

[CornwallFox]

Stolen from elsewhere:

 

It's probably a good time to remind everyone that 11 years ago, President Obama negotiated a landmark deal with Iran that saw tangible restrictions on Iran's nuclear program that could be monitored and enforced, while placing realistic limits on how quickly they could plausibly develop a weapon if they chose to break the deal.

 

It included:

 

Enrichment capped at 3.67% purity (weapons-grade is 90%). 

 

Uranium stockpile cut by 98%. 

 

Exhaustive, intrusive, and continuous monitoring by the IAEA.

 

In return, the UN, USA, and EU agreed to lift specific sanctions related to its nuclear program (but not sanctions related to its proxies, ballistic missile program, or human rights abuses).

 

The USA also agreed to unfreeze about $50 billion in Iranian assets.

 

This agreement was signed without a shot being fired or a life being lost. There was no massive military campaign or economic crisis, and no one questioned whether commercial vessels could travel through the Strait of Hormuz without being sunk.

 

Trump has declared a ceasefire, ostensibly on the grounds that: "We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate".

 

According to Iranian State media, these 10 points include:

 

• Iran maintains control of the Hormuz Strait and charges every transiting vessel $2 million as a tariff to fund reconstruction.

• Removal of all sanctions and release of frozen assets.

• Iran commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons, but makes no commitment regarding enrichment or monitoring.

• USA withdrawals completely from the Middle-East.

• Israel stops its war on Hezbollah and the Houthis.

• Immediate ceasefire takes effect on all fronts immediately upon approval of the above conditions

 

Obviously, this is not a final deal that Trump has agreed to, but I think it's worth appreciating just how much ground Trump is going to have to make up just to get something even close to what Obama had signed the whole world on to more than a decade ago.

 

The Iranian regime remains in power, now with unprecedented strategic leverage over the entire planet, and quite possibly a renewed conviction that the development of a nuclear deterrent is the only means to achieve security.

[AS78UK]

49 minutes ago, CornwallFox said:

Stolen from elsewhere:

 

It's probably a good time to remind everyone that 11 years ago, President Obama negotiated a landmark deal with Iran that saw tangible restrictions on Iran's nuclear program that could be monitored and enforced, while placing realistic limits on how quickly they could plausibly develop a weapon if they chose to break the deal.

 

It included:

 

Enrichment capped at 3.67% purity (weapons-grade is 90%). 

 

Uranium stockpile cut by 98%. 

 

Exhaustive, intrusive, and continuous monitoring by the IAEA.

 

In return, the UN, USA, and EU agreed to lift specific sanctions related to its nuclear program (but not sanctions related to its proxies, ballistic missile program, or human rights abuses).

 

The USA also agreed to unfreeze about $50 billion in Iranian assets.

 

This agreement was signed without a shot being fired or a life being lost. There was no massive military campaign or economic crisis, and no one questioned whether commercial vessels could travel through the Strait of Hormuz without being sunk.

 

Trump has declared a ceasefire, ostensibly on the grounds that: "We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate".

 

According to Iranian State media, these 10 points include:

 

• Iran maintains control of the Hormuz Strait and charges every transiting vessel $2 million as a tariff to fund reconstruction.

• Removal of all sanctions and release of frozen assets.

• Iran commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons, but makes no commitment regarding enrichment or monitoring.

• USA withdrawals completely from the Middle-East.

• Israel stops its war on Hezbollah and the Houthis.

• Immediate ceasefire takes effect on all fronts immediately upon approval of the above conditions

 

Obviously, this is not a final deal that Trump has agreed to, but I think it's worth appreciating just how much ground Trump is going to have to make up just to get something even close to what Obama had signed the whole world on to more than a decade ago.

 

The Iranian regime remains in power, now with unprecedented strategic leverage over the entire planet, and quite possibly a renewed conviction that the development of a nuclear deterrent is the only means to achieve security.

Agreed, thinking Trumps somehow managed to take the world backwards in the threat Iran were posing.   

 

Genuinely have to question what the f... was going through his mind when he started this war.   

 

The only logic is someone is making a quick buck with all this market manipulation.   

[Md9]

1 hour ago, CornwallFox said:

Stolen from elsewhere:

 

It's probably a good time to remind everyone that 11 years ago, President Obama negotiated a landmark deal with Iran that saw tangible restrictions on Iran's nuclear program that could be monitored and enforced, while placing realistic limits on how quickly they could plausibly develop a weapon if they chose to break the deal.

 

It included:

 

Enrichment capped at 3.67% purity (weapons-grade is 90%). 

 

Uranium stockpile cut by 98%. 

 

Exhaustive, intrusive, and continuous monitoring by the IAEA.

 

In return, the UN, USA, and EU agreed to lift specific sanctions related to its nuclear program (but not sanctions related to its proxies, ballistic missile program, or human rights abuses).

 

The USA also agreed to unfreeze about $50 billion in Iranian assets.

 

This agreement was signed without a shot being fired or a life being lost. There was no massive military campaign or economic crisis, and no one questioned whether commercial vessels could travel through the Strait of Hormuz without being sunk.

 

Trump has declared a ceasefire, ostensibly on the grounds that: "We received a 10 point proposal from Iran, and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate".

 

According to Iranian State media, these 10 points include:

 

• Iran maintains control of the Hormuz Strait and charges every transiting vessel $2 million as a tariff to fund reconstruction.

• Removal of all sanctions and release of frozen assets.

• Iran commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons, but makes no commitment regarding enrichment or monitoring.

• USA withdrawals completely from the Middle-East.

• Israel stops its war on Hezbollah and the Houthis.

• Immediate ceasefire takes effect on all fronts immediately upon approval of the above conditions

 

Obviously, this is not a final deal that Trump has agreed to, but I think it's worth appreciating just how much ground Trump is going to have to make up just to get something even close to what Obama had signed the whole world on to more than a decade ago.

 

The Iranian regime remains in power, now with unprecedented strategic leverage over the entire planet, and quite possibly a renewed conviction that the development of a nuclear deterrent is the only means to achieve security.

He has been trying to get one over Obama for ever him and Biden are on his mind constantly . Obama got a Nobel peace prize so he wants one. He tried to think he could get a better deal than obama on Iran and has completely messed up . Such a clown 

[grth2004]

10 hours ago, BKLFox said:

If his objective was to plant a seed of doubt about where / how Europe & Asia gets its goods then he has achieved it.

 

If the US now get more orders for oil, gas, raw materials, fertilisers etc off the back of this it’ll go down as a master stroke, end of the day preserving human life is not the aim it’s about making money, clearing US debt and overall control.

 

I would not be at all surprised if Putin appears in the plan & picks up Asia requirements with the US getting Europe, stripping money & control away from the Middle East, after preplanned talks with Trump and him going down as stopping another war…win win for US & Russia.

 

We are just ♟️in their💃🕺

Great post 

Most of our oil comes from USA and Norway thats been refined currently. 
The crazy thing is we export our own oil because we can’t refine it since we shut down most of our refineries over the last 20 years going from 18 to 4.
We let other countries refine it and pay a premium for it. 


 

[leicsmac]

20 minutes ago, grth2004 said:

Great post 

Most of our oil comes from USA and Norway thats been refined currently. 
The crazy thing is we export our own oil because we can’t refine it since we shut down most of our refineries over the last 20 years going from 18 to 4.
We let other countries refine it and pay a premium for it. 


 

That's right, but the truth is that people can make whatever geopolitical or economic arguments regarding oil and gas that they like; either fossil fuels used for energy generation and the "nationalism" that the current US administration seem keen to export become a thing of the past or human civilisation does. Rather quickly.

 

The current geopolitical games that people like Trump enjoy playing while ignoring the very human cost of them cannot and will not survive the way the world is changing.

Edited 8 April by leicsmac

[Lionator]

https://www.thelettersfromleo.com/p/the-pentagon-threatened-pope-leo
 

Wild story that basically insinuates that a Department of ‘War’ official threatens the Vatican with military action recently!

[davieG]

[foxes1988]

14 hours ago, BKLFox said:

I think yourself and maybe @leicsmac believe I condone his actions with my post & let’s clear that up straight away, of course I don’t.

 

My post is more a musing of why he could be doing it, planting seeds & expecting the world to rush to his feet begging for scraps if industries grind to a halt.

The seed planting for sure has landed, you wouldn’t be much of a leader if you didn’t take notice of how quickly that channel of water can be blocked & easily defended, it will be the same for the Suez Canal.
I’m sure there will be plenty of countries now looking to see if they need to shift a few eggs into different baskets & if they do which 2 countries are likely to benefit?

It’s to soon to see which way the rest of the world sways but a seed has been planted for sure, 1 way or the other.

 

 

The US isn't the only other alternative here btw.  Bet Chinese, Russian and Canadian fertiliser raw materials orders will go up massively.

 

Europeans just doubled down on renewables.

 

Trumps politics are 15 to 20 years out of date.

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, foxes1988 said:

The US isn't the only other alternative here btw.  Bet Chinese, Russian and Canadian fertiliser raw materials orders will go up massively.

 

Europeans just doubled down on renewables.

 

Trumps politics are 15 to 20 years out of date.

I'm reminded of one of Boris Johnsons anecdotes about some American going on about how medieval wind power is, and then him responding by saying that if that's medieval, then burning stuff to make power is Paleolithic. 

 

It might have been made up, and the man may have been wrong on so much else, but in terms of thoughts on energy policy he was right. 

[leicsmac]

Oh and, once again, the Chinese must be pissing themselves laughing at all this as the US continue to hand them the global primacy for the future pretty much on a silver platter. 

[Spiritwalker]

23 hours ago, BKLFox said:

If his objective was to plant a seed of doubt about where / how Europe & Asia gets its goods then he has achieved it.

 

If the US now get more orders for oil, gas, raw materials, fertilisers etc off the back of this it’ll go down as a master stroke, end of the day preserving human life is not the aim it’s about making money, clearing US debt and overall control.

 

I would not be at all surprised if Putin appears in the plan & picks up Asia requirements with the US getting Europe, stripping money & control away from the Middle East, after preplanned talks with Trump and him going down as stopping another war…win win for US & Russia.

 

We are just ♟️in their💃🕺

I think your overestimating his strategic nous, far more likely that it’s just a combination 

of his own ego and being talked into this by Israel.

Edited 9 April by Spiritwalker

[CornwallFox]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

I think your overestimating his strategic nous, far more likely that it’s just a combination 

of his own ego and being talked into this by Israel.

Netenyahu is openly going around telling anybody that will listen that he is the "King of America" and the war only ends when he says so.