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Posted
9 minutes ago, Chelmofox said:

Im telling you now, Vestegaard is the problem. The fact that he appears on posters team selections when discussing 'changing things' boils my piss. Jannik can only play one way and slows everything down and EVERYTHING has to come through him. At least Faes can do a rotation job for us in different positions. Could you image asking Vesty to spend 20 mins of a game at left back?

 

Start Okoli and Nelson and stop playing out from the CB. Let them grow and nurture, and use Faes and Aluko as rotation across the whole back line.

 

Dump Vestergaard.

:D We don’t disagree on much. He is only the problem if that style of play if the problem (it is) and you stop playing a player to play that style (we won’t).

Just cannot see anyone have the minerals to not play out from the back as per Top’s recipe for success.

Posted
7 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

This BS again. What about the weekly shit shows from the others? Why is it that it’s only Nelson that gets one chance and out? 

It’s not that, that’s ridiculous. It’s something else, perhaps as blunt as being 4th choice and therefore he ain’t on the bench.  :dunno:
(Please start thread on why Ben Nelson should not be fourth choice CB. lol )

Posted
2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

It’s not that, that’s ridiculous. It’s something else, perhaps as blunt as being 4th choice and therefore he ain’t on the bench.  :dunno:
(Please start thread on why Ben Nelson should not be fourth choice CB. lol )

That's the point though or because he's 4th choice the three in front of him can be as shit as they like and it doesn't matter

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

It’s not that, that’s ridiculous. It’s something else, perhaps as blunt as being 4th choice and therefore he ain’t on the bench.  :dunno:
(Please start thread on why Ben Nelson should not be fourth choice CB. lol )

What oh what did Nelson do to you lol

 

But, sometimes it gets to the point where those playing are just so so bad, you try something else. At this point, that is simply justification enough for why he shouldn’t be 4th choice.

 

I have said it so many time before, but if he is genuinely 4th choice, because he is worse than Vestergaard, Faes and Okoli, we should flog quickly as quite honestly, it would make him L2 standard at best.

 

But I think it’s pretty obvious from his spells elsewhere that he is a very good player and will be operating at a much higher level than this club will over the next 10 years, once he gets out of here which will hopefully be January. 


Regardless of whether we are still in the Championship next season or L1, he won’t be here anyway so it’s past the point of introducing him now anyway.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Tommy Fresh said:

That's the point though or because he's 4th choice the three in front of him can be as shit as they like and it doesn't matter

At this point we might as well try anything and that includes playing Ben (and shifting Faes up top as have seen mentioned…)

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Posted
Just now, LCFCJohn said:

What oh what did Nelson do to you lol

 

But, sometimes it gets to the point where those playing are just so so bad, you try something else. At this point, that is simply justification enough for why he shouldn’t be 4th choice.

 

I have said it so many time before, but if he is genuinely 4th choice, because he is worse than Vestergaard, Faes and Okoli, we should flog quickly as quite honestly, it would make him L2 standard at best.

 

But I think it’s pretty obvious from his spells elsewhere that he is a very good player and will be operating at a much higher level than this club will over the next 10 years, once he gets out of here which will hopefully be January. 


Regardless of whether we are still in the Championship next season or L1, he won’t be here anyway so it’s past the point of introducing him now anyway.

I was not playing down Ben ability, quite the opposite, should have made it clearer “if Marti regards him as fourth choice” but my days of trusting the managers judgement are probably about over. I have and have never had an issue with Ben, I have an issue with having too much confidence or trust in the current incumbent.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

I was not playing down Ben ability, quite the opposite, should have made it clearer “if Marti regards him as fourth choice” but my days of trusting the managers judgement are probably about over. I have and have never had an issue with Ben, I have an issue with having too much confidence or trust in the current incumbent.

Surely having too much of an issue with the current incumbent (Vestergaard/Faes) would mean you want to Nelson in but that has not been your stance on here. 
 

Either way, it’s somewhat irrelevant now. Nelson is no more the future here than Vestergaard and Faes. 

Posted

It's very odd that he never gets asked about it. The total freeze-out suggests something has gone on behind closed doors. If his attitude has been found wanting then, given the culture at the club and the nature of our current problems, you might have more sympathy for Cifuentes' stance.

 

Of course, to me it seems, on the surface, like sheer madness. Not least because the attitude of plenty of people in the team week-in week-out has also been found wanting, at far greater cost than 45 minutes v Huddersfield, and without having shown - as Nelson has - that they're capable of doing well at this level. But as I say, if journalists don't ask the right questions, then you have to wonder. Down the years we've seen young players at many clubs vanishing, much to the fury of the fans, only to find out that there was an incident, a row, a failed urine test, a heap of personal issues, or some bluster from an agent who felt he could push through a move. Or, sometimes, in spite of early promise they just turn out not to be very good.

 

I've got a stack of gripes with the club right now and a much smaller, but rapidly growing, stack with Cifuentes. But I'm slightly hesitant when it comes to Nelson, simply because the whole thing seems so odd.

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Posted (edited)
42 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

This BS again. What about the weekly shit shows from the others? Why is it that it’s only Nelson that gets one chance and out? 

It was a wind-up, but he's behind 2 International CBs that won promotion and the championship the last time they were in the league. 

 

Its obvious that any new manager, not just Marti would start with the experienced pair.

 

It would appear, Okoli and Faes are competing for one spot and Nelson is back-up for Vestergaard. 

 

However much you hate him or his ponderous style, he's reliiable at this level, makes less mistakes than the others and also happens to be the best passer of the ball and one of our biggest goal threats. 

 

Nelson was always going to find it hard to replace Vesty in the starting line-up and will have to wait his chance. 

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Posted
15 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

Is Ben Nelson in the room with us right now?

Ok I’ll bite.

 

And no, I’m just not particularly keen seeing the club f*** itself yet again. 
 

But if you are, please continue :whistle:

Posted
4 minutes ago, trooky said:

It was a wind-up, but he's behind 2 International CBs that won promotion and the championship the last time they were in the league. 

 

Its obvious that any new manager, not just Marti would start with the experienced pair.

 

It would appear, Okoli and Faes are competing for one spot and Nelson is back-up for Vestergaard. 

 

However much you hate him or his ponderous style, he's reliiable at this level, makes less mistakes than the others and also happens to be the best passer of the ball and one of our biggest goal threats. 

 

Nelson was always going to find it hard to replace Vesty in the starting line-up and will have to wait his chance. 

No offence, but what a load of rubbish. 
 

I can’t be arsed. It’s been done to death. 
 

All I will repeat is this nonsense about waiting his chance. For when? He won’t even be here beyond this season!

Posted
3 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

No offence, but what a load of rubbish. 
 

I can’t be arsed. It’s been done to death. 
 

All I will repeat is this nonsense about waiting his chance. For when? He won’t even be here beyond this season!

It's not rubbish it's the reality of professional sport. 

 

Managers are short term appointments in football, we've had 3 in a year. They don't think about the long term. 

 

Its the DOF responsibility to ensure we develop our youth, it was Rudkin that gave Vesty the contract extension not Marti. 

 

Posted
13 minutes ago, adejo92 said:

I'd like to see him play, but it does make you wonder why none of the managers have fancied him?

Which apart from Marti? Nate’s a fave him minutes as a young lad 2 years ago. He was sent for a development loan to the Championship whilst we were in the PL so you can’t say Cooper and definitely not RVN don’t fancy him. He wasn’t ready for that league whereas he is for this league.

 

 

Posted
9 minutes ago, trooky said:

It's not rubbish it's the reality of professional sport. 

 

Managers are short term appointments in football, we've had 3 in a year. They don't think about the long term. 

 

Its the DOF responsibility to ensure we develop our youth, it was Rudkin that gave Vesty the contract extension not Marti. 

 

I agree it’s the DoF’s job.

 

But as fans, why are people backing the short term thinking and justifying the continued selection of Faes and Vestergaard? They weren’t even good last time. We lost 11 games and conceded an amount of goals expected from a mid table side. The likes of KDH, Vardy, Fatawu, Mavididi and even Ndidi and Ricardo dragged us to promotion and the title with their goals, despite the rest of the defence (not including Ricardo). They are now 2 years older, off the back of a season in the PL that will have completely destroyed whatever was left of them. They are no longer even fit for purpose at this level. 
 

And yet going into next season, we will likely be stuck with them two as our only CB’s, assuming Okoli gets the hell out as well.

Posted
20 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

I agree it’s the DoF’s job.

 

But as fans, why are people backing the short term thinking and justifying the continued selection of Faes and Vestergaard? They weren’t even good last time. We lost 11 games and conceded an amount of goals expected from a mid table side. The likes of KDH, Vardy, Fatawu, Mavididi and even Ndidi and Ricardo dragged us to promotion and the title with their goals, despite the rest of the defence (not including Ricardo). They are now 2 years older, off the back of a season in the PL that will have completely destroyed whatever was left of them. They are no longer even fit for purpose at this level. 
 

And yet going into next season, we will likely be stuck with them two as our only CB’s, assuming Okoli gets the hell out as well.

I'm not backing it, I would start him next game with Okoli in a 442 formation. 

 

I just try to offer a balanced view on FT, posters want the manager sacked because he's not picking the youth Aluko or Nelson or starting Daka, Soumare etc... 

 

We can vent our anger on this forum, but we also have to be realistic,  we could sack Marti tomorrow, but the next manager will also start Faes and Vestergaard, he won't play Nelson just because this forum thinks he should. 

 

We've never had any communication from the DOF to say that this season the priority is to develop youth and that the manager will start Nelson, so we can't be that surprised when he's not picked. 

 

As fans we're venting our anger at certain players etc but that's just making it harder for the team to perform and will change nothing. 

 

Nothing will change until at least Rudkin goes, we should really be venting our anger at Rudkin and Top until they go. 

 

 

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Posted

I genuinely think the butterfly effect of not playing Nelson has been significant.

 

The gut punch feeling and ensuing boos as a result of Faes stepping onto the pitch for the first time this season against Wednesday, albeit he did score the winner, has resulted a stale atmosphere around the club.

 

This was the season to freshen up and not playing Nelson who was quality at this level last season will end up being one of the worst mistakes in a litany of them over the last 5 years.

Posted
1 hour ago, inckley fox said:

It's very odd that he never gets asked about it. The total freeze-out suggests something has gone on behind closed doors. If his attitude has been found wanting then, given the culture at the club and the nature of our current problems, you might have more sympathy for Cifuentes' stance.

 

Of course, to me it seems, on the surface, like sheer madness. Not least because the attitude of plenty of people in the team week-in week-out has also been found wanting, at far greater cost than 45 minutes v Huddersfield, and without having shown - as Nelson has - that they're capable of doing well at this level. But as I say, if journalists don't ask the right questions, then you have to wonder. Down the years we've seen young players at many clubs vanishing, much to the fury of the fans, only to find out that there was an incident, a row, a failed urine test, a heap of personal issues, or some bluster from an agent who felt he could push through a move. Or, sometimes, in spite of early promise they just turn out not to be very good.

 

I've got a stack of gripes with the club right now and a much smaller, but rapidly growing, stack with Cifuentes. But I'm slightly hesitant when it comes to Nelson, simply because the whole thing seems so odd.

I’ve noticed this quite generally at the minute - Radio Leicester's sound bites are nowhere near as “juicy” this season. I wonder if the club really has the local media under the thumb at the moment. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, trooky said:

It was a wind-up, but he's behind 2 International CBs that won promotion and the championship the last time they were in the league. 

 

Its obvious that any new manager, not just Marti would start with the experienced pair.

 

It would appear, Okoli and Faes are competing for one spot and Nelson is back-up for Vestergaard. 

 

However much you hate him or his ponderous style, he's reliiable at this level, makes less mistakes than the others and also happens to be the best passer of the ball and one of our biggest goal threats. 

 

Nelson was always going to find it hard to replace Vesty in the starting line-up and will have to wait his chance. 

hes made at least 3 mistakes leading to goals I can think of straight off the top this season, and his one tempo way of playing is why we've got the worst striker record in the country, creating absolutely nothing for them. The bean pole is a ****ing myth, living off a decent half season under Enzo

Posted
11 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

hes made at least 3 mistakes leading to goals I can think of straight off the top this season, and his one tempo way of playing is why we've got the worst striker record in the country, creating absolutely nothing for them. The bean pole is a ****ing myth, living off a decent half season under Enzo

Not to mention he could get out-muscled by a parasol. 

Posted
3 hours ago, Foxes1 said:

They are just trying to p**s him of so he looks for a permanent move out of the club just for pure profit.

Well they should have accepted the bids they got last summer then because his stock won't grow whilst we completely ignore him but that's classic Leicester.

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Posted
10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Well they should have accepted the bids they got last summer then because his stock won't grow whilst we completely ignore him but that's classic Leicester.

More than meet the eye to this one.

 

Shambles that we are willing to give the likes of Soumare, Kristiansen, Thomas, Faes multiple chances but other like Nelson get one.

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