Susan Whelan

[CL Fox]

1 minute ago, VLC86 said:

I’ve got no doubt she was cut of all power when Vichai died, It’s been covered a lot. But I take exception to anyone trying to suggest the CEO that was here 10 months ago has nothing to do with the mess we are in.

 

Again, if I’m CEO of a company that I’ve been key in but then all of a sudden I’m cut out while things are obviously going wrong, I’m getting out and not sitting there watching it happen.

 

I know that’s a very simplistic view, and easy for me to say having never been in that position, but I’m not having this argument on here.

It is a very simplistic view, yep.

[CosbehFox]

Just now, VLC86 said:

I’ve got no doubt she was cut of all power when Vichai died, It’s been covered a lot. But I take exception to anyone trying to suggest the CEO that was here 10 months ago has nothing to do with the mess we are in.

 

Again, if I’m CEO of a company that I’ve been key in but then all of a sudden I’m cut out while things are obviously going wrong, I’m getting out and not sitting there watching it happen.

 

I know that’s a very simplistic view, and easy for me to say having never been in that position, but I’m not having this argument on here.

I’m not defending her in any way. It’s very grey in my opinion on her time here. 

I’m just trying to explain why she hung around. She had a loyalty to the overall family/King Power business so felt the need to hang around rather than getting out straight away. 

[VLC86]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

I’m not defending her in any way. It’s very grey in my opinion on her time here. 

I’m just trying to explain why she hung around. She had a loyalty to the overall family/King Power business so felt the need to hang around rather than getting out straight away. 

Don’t worry I’m not saying you are defending her, and I absolutely see why she felt the need to stop Top from burning that to the ground as well, but the point at which that had been done and the time that passed between is what I can’t wrap my head around.

[Paninistickers]

1 hour ago, CL Fox said:

It is a very simplistic view, yep.

It isn't a simplistic view. 

 

If a football manager had no say in team selection or tactics, they would resign. 

 

Likewise if a CEO had no say in ticketing policy, loan/finance arrangements,. payroll, commercial revenues....they too would resign. If,.big if here, they were a conventional CEO..

 

She was,.I'd imagine,. simply a KP yes woman. The old concentration camp guard. Only obeying orders. 

 

 

[Stadt]

All of the crap anti-fan stuff would have been signed off by her. Not responsible for the footballing shitshow but the crap media output, ticketing, merchandising, commercials and so on was her responsibility.

 

 

[Paninistickers]

11 minutes ago, Stadt said:

All of the crap anti-fan stuff would have been signed off by her. Not responsible for the footballing shitshow but the crap media output, ticketing, merchandising, commercials and so on was her responsibility.

 

 

This was a 'businesswoman' who refused to sell available seats to supporters in our last championship season. And in Europe. And the charity shield..

 

What kinda of business person actively refuses to sell its product? 

 

Don't give a shit how much Pearson or Vards liked her. They only saw one side of her. The fans suffered the other..

 

Edit; refused to deal with local businesses that wanted to sponsor too; walkers/PepsiCo and DHL 

 

She's a disgrace. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 April by Paninistickers

[CL Fox]

8 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

It isn't a simplistic view. 

 

If a football manager had no say in team selection or tactics, they would resign. 

 

Likewise if a CEO had no say in ticketing policy, loan/finance arrangements,. payroll, commercial revenues....they too would resign. If,.big if here, they were a conventional CEO..

 

She was,.I'd imagine,. simply a KP yes woman. The old concentration camp guard. Only obeying orders. 

 

 

She did resign.

[Paninistickers]

38 minutes ago, CL Fox said:

She did resign.

To continue with my 'camp guard' analogy; resigned - but only when the Russians were at the door.

 

 

[FLAN]

8 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

It isn't a simplistic view. 

 

If a football manager had no say in team selection or tactics, they would resign. 

 

Likewise if a CEO had no say in ticketing policy, loan/finance arrangements,. payroll, commercial revenues....they too would resign. If,.big if here, they were a conventional CEO..

 

She was,.I'd imagine,. simply a KP yes woman. The old concentration camp guard. Only obeying orders. 

 

 

RVN had no say in recruitment and didn’t walk 

[jet64]

11 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

She knew that she's responsible for the financial car crash. Rat. Ship. Sinking. 

 

Appalling woman

.. and there it is.. a woman getting the blame for the shit show .. 

[CornwallFox]

2 minutes ago, jet64 said:

.. and there it is.. a woman getting the blame for the shit show .. 

Jesus come on. She was the bloody CEO, of course she's a decent way responsible.

[Mickyblueeyes]

5 minutes ago, jet64 said:

.. and there it is.. a woman getting the blame for the shit show .. 

 

She was ****ing CEO! For all but 9 months. 
 

WTF 

[CL Fox]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

To continue with my 'camp guard' analogy; resigned - but only when the Russians were at the door.

 

 

The real breakdown came post the first relegation season when Rudkin lied his way through the post season review. She lasted two years beyond with 6 months on notice. It's really not that long in the grand scheme of things. And she most definitely resigned rather than being pushed.

 

And FWIW she still cares a lot for the club and watches every game. Which is more than can be said for Top.

Edited 12 April by CL Fox

[davieG]

She may have been CEO but was employed by the owner I doubt she had full power, what were the terms of her contract?. She was just an employee of KP. KP would have been the equivalent of shareholders but with a more direct daily opportunity to approve, insist on or reject any CEO decisions.

 

As for why she didn't leave does anyone know the structure of her contract was it time restrained with clauses that restricted how and when she could leave? Who knows.

 

I don't know how much she was complicit so to judge her one way or the other is inexact.

[LCFCJohn]

Nigel speaking highly of her is very telling. 
 

Whilst not without faults, clearly 99% is on Aiyawatt and Rudkin.

[1972 Fox]

10 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

If a football manager had no say in team selection or tactics, they would resign.

Rodgers wouldn't, he'd wait for the sack and the hefty pay off.

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, davieG said:

She may have been CEO but was employed by the owner I doubt she had full power, what were the terms of her contract?. She was just an employee of KP. KP would have been the equivalent of shareholders but with a more direct daily opportunity to approve, insist on or reject any CEO decisions.

 

As for why she didn't leave does anyone know the structure of her contract was it time restrained with clauses that restricted how and when she could leave? Who knows.

 

I don't know how much she was complicit so to judge her one way or the other is inexact.

1. She was a c-suite professional rumoured to have been sidelined - the biggest insult for someone of that level. Anyone who has sat at that level couldn’t stomach that. 
 

2. no, she didn’t have constraints on leaving - the only thing holding her back would’ve been the massive pay out she would’ve lost out on - she gave up her dignity for the pound. 
 

3. one and 2 combined means, she happily watched with little control over the “product”, signing off on restrictive minor influences, all while she was negotiating her exit. 
 

It’s not that deep - we are looking for rational arguments to be kind to these people - what has happened here is Susan Whelan has foregone part of her professional reputation to protect Susan Whelan - not the KP family, not LCfc but herself and good on her. But she is what she is.

 

And Nige and co being complimentary about someone they use to work with doesn’t mean she was a poor victim

of sexism.

[CL Fox]

4 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

1. She was a c-suite professional rumoured to have been sidelined - the biggest insult for someone of that level. Anyone who has sat at that level couldn’t stomach that. 
 

2. no, she didn’t have constraints on leaving - the only thing holding her back would’ve been the massive pay out she would’ve lost out on - she gave up her dignity for the pound. 
 

3. one and 2 combined means, she happily watched with little control over the “product”, signing off on restrictive minor influences, all while she was negotiating her exit. 
 

It’s not that deep - we are looking for rational arguments to be kind to these people - what has happened here is Susan Whelan has foregone part of her professional reputation to protect Susan Whelan - not the KP family, not LCfc but herself and good on her. But she is what she is.

 

And Nige and co being complimentary about someone they use to work with doesn’t mean she was a poor victim

of sexism.

The one person which did resign in this whole mess is getting stick for not resigning sooner. Weird logic given the time frame we're talking about.

Edited 12 April by CL Fox

[Winstonthedog]

15 minutes ago, LCFCJohn said:

Nigel speaking highly of her is very telling. 
 

Whilst not without faults, clearly 99% is on Aiyawatt and Rudkin.

She was another in a growing line of scapegoats .... Top and Rudkin will never accept any responsibility for the state of the club 

[Gamble92]

People really need to stop thinking because a player or manager liked someone, it means they must have been good at their job. I can tell you plenty of managers I loved working with that were ****ing shit at their job. 

 

A lot of people at Leicester have had their reputation enhanced by fans just by not being as shit as the ones that are still here. 

[Gamble92]

Just now, Winstonthedog said:

She was another in a growing line of scapegoats .... Top and Rudkin will never accept any responsibility for the state of the club 

This can be true and she can also have been shit too. 

 

She was CEO of a business with the more irresponsible spending imaginable. 

 

The excuses like she had no power are a bit of a joke. If that's the case, you leave. You don't sit there and oversee that. 

[davieG]

9 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

1. She was a c-suite professional rumoured to have been sidelined - the biggest insult for someone of that level. Anyone who has sat at that level couldn’t stomach that. 
 

2. no, she didn’t have constraints on leaving - the only thing holding her back would’ve been the massive pay out she would’ve lost out on - she gave up her dignity for the pound. 
 

3. one and 2 combined means, she happily watched with little control over the “product”, signing off on restrictive minor influences, all while she was negotiating her exit. 
 

It’s not that deep - we are looking for rational arguments to be kind to these people - what has happened here is Susan Whelan has foregone part of her professional reputation to protect Susan Whelan - not the KP family, not LCfc but herself and good on her. But she is what she is.

 

And Nige and co being complimentary about someone they use to work with doesn’t mean she was a poor victim

of sexism.

Not many provable facts in there

 

"rumoured to have been sidelined"

 

"no, she didn’t have constraints on leaving"  -  "she happily watched with little control over the “product”, signing off on restrictive minor influences, all while she was negotiating her exit - You know this how?

 

 

[CL Fox]

Just now, Gamble92 said:

The excuses like she had no power are a bit of a joke. If that's the case, you leave. You don't sit there and oversee that. 

She did 🤣

[LeePhilpottsBaldSpot]

None of us know what happens behind closed doors. Grown adults creating storylines in their head as if it's Hollyoaks 

 

Top's only action after putting the club up for sale should be appointing external auditors to do a root and branch review of what's gone wrong off and on the pitch and get rid of the dross.

[Gamble92]

1 minute ago, CL Fox said:

She did 🤣

Any self respecting person doesn't do that then.