Thracian Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 As someone that has been hunting houses over the last month - where does this question even come from? Over half the properties I have looked at have been owned by Muslim families, all too eager to sell it to me. On top of that, what has the redistribution of property got to do with the ridiculous situation in Lebanon? Assuming you are a non-Muslim, were they eager or only apparently eager to sell to you? Are you saying that's the answer to the question? As I said before, it was a simple question. I would not have imagined the answer would be so long coming, or, indeed, the answers to the other questions I raised with Ultra and Moseeds.
crazy horse Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Well as a card carrying Athiest I hope anybody would hold any religion with a deep lying supicion, especially when it starts trying to implement dated moral codes. However, I still feel to see what this has to do with a teritorry war? the same could have been asked in europe around 1936-39...........what has a territory war got to do with the views of the protagonists/aggressors
Daggers Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Assuming you are a non-Muslim, were they eager or only apparently eager to sell to you? Are you saying that's the answer to the question? As I said before, it was a simple question. I would not have imagined the answer would be so long coming, or, indeed, the answers to the other questions I raised with Ultra and Moseeds. ---------------------------------------------------
macbeth Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 wheres indigo in that spectrum thing.................thats not another kitten in the bathtub is it
macbeth Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Come on folks, where is the love? #Father, Father, Father help us Send some guidance from above 'Cause people got me, got me questionin' Where is the love where is the love#
stez Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Assuming you are a non-Muslim, were they eager or only apparently eager to sell to you? Are you saying that's the answer to the question? As I said before, it was a simple question. I would not have imagined the answer would be so long coming, or, indeed, the answers to the other questions I raised with Ultra and Moseeds. thats rich, coming from someone who never answers questions raised against him!
Thracian Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 thats rich, coming from someone who never answers questions raised against him! Like what?
stez Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Like what? to many to mention, but many times i've asked you to qualify stuff, or disagreed and you've choosen to not respond
Thracian Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 to many to mention, but many times i've asked you to qualify stuff, or disagreed and you've choosen to not respond Accidentally I assure you. But I'll look out for the rockets in future!
stez Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 Accidentally I assure you. But I'll look out for the rockets in future!
Dr The Singh Posted 28 July 2006 Posted 28 July 2006 I am pointing out that grumbles with Islam have very little to do with this particular conflict. Hizbollah and Hamas are both Islamic groups (with significant sectarian conflicts btw) but they are in conflict with Israel over land not over whether adulterers should have their heads chopped off. I worry that peoples general disatisfaction with Islam may lead to them having less sympathy for the Lebonese and Palestinian disposessed and prevent a full understanding over what potentially legitimate grumbles Hizbollah and Hamas have. (Not that I condone terrorism, I am just realistic enough to know that an end to this Middle East conflict will only come about when Israel accepts the borders that International Law decrees them not what they believe they can get away with) Although i really don't want to go down that road, The Old Testament is a pretty nasty piece of literature if we are going to have a which religion is the badest debate. I sympathise for those (palestinains) and I think the general public do, but suicide bombers and killing of civilians and it's failure to condemn such killings gloss's over there plight. I feel sorry for those who have no want for violence and want to get on with there lives, not those that want to kill innocent women and children in the name of jihad\Islam. Like I have said in previous post it's the few\minoirty that cause the most destruction..........but for those majority to sit there and do nothing about there minority kin and kind is also unjust....................just because it is thought to be in the name of Islam or against Islamic opppression is not justification. I would like to ask you a question, if the tables were turned and the Muslims nations had nuclear and superior weaponry and Isreal was seamingly defenseless, how long do you think Israel would last???? Answer: 1 second, the muslim nations would destroy it without any consequences at all, UN or anyone....mass murder of infedils is not punishable by there law!!! Yes, Israel is no saint but it has a great enemy that will not rest until it's end, if sides want peace once as said by many on this site, one must respect one's right to exist is fundamental!!!
Daggers Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 ....mass murder of infedils is not punishable by there law!!! Kurds, Northern Iraq, current trial of Saddam Hussein?
TrickyTrev Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 If - and I have asked if - a Muslim cannot sell his house and land to a non-Muslim then are we not being quietly dispossessed? What are you rabbiting on about now? Thousands of Muslims sell their houses to Non-Muslims all the time, trying to compare your petty fears over immigration to the refugees of Lebanon is frankly pathetic.
TrickyTrev Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 I sympathise for those (palestinains) and I think the general public do, but suicide bombers and killing of civilians and it's failure to condemn such killings gloss's over there plight. I feel sorry for those who have no want for violence and want to get on with there lives, not those that want to kill innocent women and children in the name of jihad\Islam. Like I have said in previous post it's the few\minoirty that cause the most destruction..........but for those majority to sit there and do nothing about there minority kin and kind is also unjust....................just because it is thought to be in the name of Islam or against Islamic opppression is not justification. I agree that Israel has a right ot exist, within its own borders, I'm not even opossed to it retaining its subsidised military strength as a deterrent because of the existance of Mr. Ahmadinejad. I just happen to think that extremists in Syria and Iran would have less clout if Israel stopped occupying the lands that they do not own and continue to force Palestinians and Lebanese to seek refuge. I would like to ask you a question, if the tables were turned and the Muslims nations had nuclear and superior weaponry and Isreal was seamingly defenseless, how long do you think Israel would last???? 5 minutes. However if there were as many Jewish states and just one defenceless Islamic state it would last about the same length of time.
TrickyTrev Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 Kurds, Northern Iraq, current trial of Saddam Hussein? That really has nothing to do with Infadels or Islam. Saddam was reacting to an assasination attempt. He is not a particuarly religious man and is indeed hated by Shia extremists from the Iranian government to Osama himself.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 I agree that Israel has a right ot exist, within its own borders, I'm not even opossed to it retaining its subsidised military strength as a deterrent because of the existance of Mr. Ahmadinejad. I just happen to think that extremists in Syria and Iran would have less clout if Israel stopped occupying the lands that they do not own and continue to force Palestinians and Lebanese to seek refuge. 5 minutes. However if there were as many Jewish states and just one defenceless Islamic state it would last about the same length of time. I doubt it, Israel has had nukes and hi-tech weaponry for years and it wouldn't take even 5 minutes, it needs not a whole dominion of Israeli nations, the US has provivded it with more than ample before, remember it kicked all the middle easts asses before and could have wiped them off then.......so this to me suggests some moral restriction in wiping of all the arab nations if not any other anyhow whatever the reason it stills shows resolve, it still wants to be part of the international community.....I could not say the same for arab\middle eastern nations who continually fuel\supply arab militants\palestinians militants and one could say instead of spending money arms etc, it would have been better spent on the people of palestine. Anyhow these jihadis are a force which does not have any morals or any rules of engagement against it's enemy, it's death anyway, anyhow, anyone!! Yes, agreed, Israels policies have 'fueled' the jihadis....but even if palestine and Israel found peace, the jihadis in there various form would not allow it to prosper....there are just some people that do not like anything or anyone that is not of there kind!!!!! I feel very disturbed when I see young children as young as 3...being taught to hate, let alone taught that the death or wanting death of someone.........these are immoral, and sick in my eyes!!
TrickyTrev Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 I could not say the same for arab\middle eastern nations who continually fuel\supply arab militants\palestinians militants and one could say instead of spending money arms etc I think your characterisation of Middle Eastern governments is akin to purely describing the Iranian regieme. Jordan and Egypt are allies of the Israelites these days and even Syria show some signs of wanting to re-engage with the international community. Money could always be better spent than on arms. so this to me suggests some moral restriction in wiping of all the arab nations It shows that America threatened to pull the plug on the subsidies they recvieve if they went any further. If Israel were self sufficent 20 years a go then then map of the Middle East would look very different. It just shows the importance of the role of "the west" (i.e Amercia) in this. They can and do play a positive influence I only wish they were strong enough to force Israel to obey international law.
Ultra Posted 29 July 2006 Posted 29 July 2006 The USA could end this conflict tomorrow, by having a word with Israel. But it chooses not to. Instead it continues to arm Israel to the teeth and bankroll it with billions of dollars in aid (which it can't even give to its own citizens - New Orleans and surrounding area are still a wreck, a year on from Hurricane Katrina). Meanwhile our government continues to act as the US's poodle and scuppers any attempt by the EU to take a role in this. One can only conclude that Blair treats the loss of Lebanese and Palestinian lives (and a few Israeli ones) as a price worth paying. That makes him a racist lowlife in my book. The sooner he can be forced out of Downing Street, the better!
shez Posted 30 July 2006 Posted 30 July 2006 Surely nobody can justify the innocent 25 children killed early this morning by the Israelis air strikes supplied by the double standard American government, backed by poodle Blair!
shez Posted 30 July 2006 Posted 30 July 2006 But then again Bush doesent care about the lives of non american or non israelis! As long as he gets his oil from iraq, He doesnt give a shite!
macbeth Posted 30 July 2006 Posted 30 July 2006 Surely nobody can justify the innocent 25 children killed early this morning by the Israelis air strikes supplied by the double standard American government, backed by poodle Blair! the isrealis claim they gave warnings that the area was to be attacked and to evacuate.......the terrorists may be accused of using innocents as human shields
shez Posted 30 July 2006 Posted 30 July 2006 the isrealis claim they gave warnings that the area was to be attacked and to evacuate.......the terrorists may be accused of using innocents as human shields The isrealis may have given warnings to the civilians, but how are they meant to escape when earlier airstrikes have destroyed all roads! How can they escape when they have no fuel for their cars because the fuel stations have also been bombed? It total double standards!
macbeth Posted 30 July 2006 Posted 30 July 2006 The isrealis may have given warnings to the civilians, but how are they meant to escape when earlier airstrikes have destroyed all roads! How can they escape when they have no fuel for their cars because the fuel stations have also been bombed? It total double standards! true; its a tragic situation and again its innocents that are suffering for the grand ideals of the few zealots
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