Stevosevic Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 Is there a phone in tonight despite there not being any league games? if there is this can be the thread if not the moderators can delete it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 Yes or no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stulcfc Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 ?? any one ?? if there is anyways what radio station would it be on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 ?? any one ?? if there is anyways what radio station would it be on? yes and.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevosevic Posted 4 September 2006 Author Share Posted 4 September 2006 YES! we are on tonight, i am so excited to listen to barber's excellent analysis and Birch's great stories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stulcfc Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 yes and.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/leicester/ thanks matey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 YES! we are on tonight, i am so excited to listen to barber's excellent analysis and Birch's great stories! yes that blink and whistle are very appropriate after a comment like that. Lord only knows what they will come out with today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfc66 Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 What time? or have i missed it already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 What time? or have i missed it already 15 mins left, this bloke whos talking about Fryatt sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Head Honcho Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 15 mins left, this bloke whos talking about Fryatt sounds like he actually knows what he's talking about. Yeh but I'm fed up with people telling me how hard Matty Fryatt works He's paid to score goals not work his bollocks off trying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_jme Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 Yeh but I'm fed up with people telling me how hard Matty Fryatt works He's paid to score goals not work his bollocks off trying Crouch went absolutely ages without scoring a goal, but his work-ethic kept the fans on his side, and his persistance is now paying off for him, and pretty well as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted 4 September 2006 Share Posted 4 September 2006 yes that blink and whistle are very appropriate after a comment like that. Lord only knows what they will come out with today More stories of the old days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 Yeh but I'm fed up with people telling me how hard Matty Fryatt works He's paid to score goals not work his bollocks off trying I know what your saying, but i'd rather have a striker working his bollocks off trying to score than a striker not scoring and not working his bollocks off, if that makes sense? We all know that Fryatt has massive p[otential, he's hit a massive goal drought and now is the time to see whether he's got the minerals to overcome it and be the player he's capable of becoming. It's been a mixture of poor service and poor form that's led to this, I know it's been said before but he had 2 goals disallowed in his first 3 games and both were very harsh decisions. Although I don't like if's, but's and maybe's on this occasion it is a right pisser because i'm almost certain that had Fryatt started off with 2 goals in 3 games then there would no be this panic about him. I'm more concerned on Kelly's deliberation about who to play upfront. I'm pleased he's not afraid of changing things, but I think it has to be Hume and Fryatt as the long term partnership unless he can fit O'Grady in aswell. He needs to look at the way the team plays and change it to suit our attacking players. Defensively we are starting to look more solid (touch wood) and if we could get 2 central midfielders who could pass the ball correctly then Hume and Fryatt would be as dangerous as they were together last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ithuriel Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 weve only had fryatt play in four of our five games this season so it isnt a massive goal drought . we have the strikers and a decent defence , its the midfield that worries me. hughes is hit n miss and thus far johnson hasnt impressed. weso is still injured and gareth lazy williams hasnt exactly gone out and established himself yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 I know what your saying, but i'd rather have a striker working his bollocks off trying to score than a striker not scoring and not working his bollocks off, if that makes sense? We all know that Fryatt has massive p[otential, he's hit a massive goal drought and now is the time to see whether he's got the minerals to overcome it and be the player he's capable of becoming. It's been a mixture of poor service and poor form that's led to this, I know it's been said before but he had 2 goals disallowed in his first 3 games and both were very harsh decisions. Although I don't like if's, but's and maybe's on this occasion it is a right pisser because i'm almost certain that had Fryatt started off with 2 goals in 3 games then there would no be this panic about him. I'm more concerned on Kelly's deliberation about who to play upfront. I'm pleased he's not afraid of changing things, but I think it has to be Hume and Fryatt as the long term partnership unless he can fit O'Grady in aswell. He needs to look at the way the team plays and change it to suit our attacking players. Defensively we are starting to look more solid (touch wood) and if we could get 2 central midfielders who could pass the ball correctly then Hume and Fryatt would be as dangerous as they were together last season. I've no worries at all about Fryatt or Hume or O'Grady or Dodds and Chambers when they arrive on the scene. Having Porter there has helped and having Low/Gradel has/will help some more. But we're still handicapping ourselves because all the strikers are having to work too hard back into midfield - where they negate their effectiveness - because while we're okay industriously, we are bloody hopeless there creatively. It really boils down to retaining too many weaknesses in the team - they are well documented - and our continued failure to do anything about them. Kisnorbo is the only indifferent passer I would tolerate for any length of time and midfielders have to be able to do more than just pass. They need vision and the skills to bend, flight, time and pace their passes to the most lethal effect and to do it swiftly while the opposition can be caught of guard. Roy Keane summed it up when describing Brian Clough's philosophy. "It's simple son really. You win the ball, you pass it to one of our shirts and then you move." Porter could have been made for that profile but with Weso still not fully fit there's no-one else and it's left us with an engine that's never going to fire on all its cylinders unless it's mended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 I've no worries at all about Fryatt or Hume or O'Grady or Dodds and Chambers when they arrive on the scene. Having Porter there has helped and having Low/Gradel has/will help some more. But we're still handicapping ourselves because all the strikers are having to work too hard back into midfield - where they negate their effectiveness - because while we're okay industriously, we are bloody hopeless there creatively. It really boils down to retaining too many weaknesses in the team - they are well documented - and our continued failure to do anything about them. Kisnorbo is the only indifferent passer I would tolerate for any length of time and midfielders have to be able to do more than just pass. They need vision and the skills to bend, flight, time and pace their passes to the most lethal effect and to do it swiftly while the opposition can be caught of guard. Roy Keane summed it up when describing Brian Clough's philosophy. "It's simple son really. You win the ball, you pass it to one of our shirts and then you move." Porter could have been made for that profile but with Weso still not fully fit there's no-one else and it's left us with an engine that's never going to fire on all its cylinders unless it's mended. Gareth Williams is the best passer at this club, it angers me that both the player and the coaches can't get the best out of him. Wesolowski and Williams together is the perfect partneship for what we need. Williams will rarely ever waste possession with aimless hit and hope passes, what the coaches need to do is motivate Williams and then teach the defence to look for the short pass to our first point of call, which would probably be Wesolowski. He could then spray the ball out to either winger or Williams who can unlock defences and give Fryatt and Hume the sort of passes they revel in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 Gareth Williams is the best passer at this club, it angers me that both the player and the coaches can't get the best out of him. Wesolowski and Williams together is the perfect partneship for what we need. Williams will rarely ever waste possession with aimless hit and hope passes, what the coaches need to do is motivate Williams and then teach the defence to look for the short pass to our first point of call, which would probably be Wesolowski. He could then spray the ball out to either winger or Williams who can unlock defences and give Fryatt and Hume the sort of passes they revel in. Agreed, football made simple. If the coaching staff can work out how to get the best out of Gareth Williams then we may start moving fowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 Agreed, football made simple. If the coaching staff can work out how to get the best out of Gareth Williams then we may start moving fowards. However I would mention that Micky Adams, Craig Levein and Rob Kelly have all tried and failed to get the best out of Gareth Williams and therefore I would suggest that the problem is NOT with the coaching BUT with the player himself!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 I think a lot of the problem comes from the back. We have no one who can get the ball and bring it forward, or even pass it forward/ sidewards to other defenders to bring the ball up gradually. Our defence can't do that, they ever have to lump it long, or the midfield have to come deep into there own half to get the ball. When the midfield come deep, they opposition press them and are defending in our half, leaving the midfield a choice of taking someone on and losing possesion in onw half, try fancy one two's and get nowhere or lump the ball forward. The midfield when in posession at the back should be no deeper than the halfway line, and the defense should be able to bring the ball forward to that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 Gareth Williams is the best passer at this club, it angers me that both the player and the coaches can't get the best out of him. Wesolowski and Williams together is the perfect partneship for what we need. Williams will rarely ever waste possession with aimless hit and hope passes, what the coaches need to do is motivate Williams and then teach the defence to look for the short pass to our first point of call, which would probably be Wesolowski. He could then spray the ball out to either winger or Williams who can unlock defences and give Fryatt and Hume the sort of passes they revel in. It might make an interesting poll but I'd have Porter down as the best passer in an attacking sense and Wesolowski as second although his passing tends to be less penetrative which is understandable given his position. Statistics won't necessarily provide the full answer because they won't measure the degree of adventure in all the passes, and Williams does tend to be adventurous so the risk of error is greater. What I fail to see is that if you include these three (as our best passers) and, presumably a right winger like Low or Gradel, how does anyone accomodate Hughes, Johnson, Tiatto or even a third striker like Hume? Ironically, considering our remaining and outstanding weaknesses, it is getting harder to choose our strongest team and will get harder still soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 What I fail to see is that if you include these three (as our best passers) and, presumably a right winger like Low or Gradel, how does anyone accomodate Hughes, Johnson, Tiatto or even a third striker like Hume? Personally I would have Hughes on the right and be fairly happy with not including Johnson, Low, Gradel or Tiatto. And if the passing from midfield was up to the standard necessary to make it worthwhile including Williams then you wouldn't need three strikers and you wouldn't need Chris O'Grady barrelling into defenders every two minutes because our half-decent midfield would be creating chances for our best two strikers, Fryatt and Hume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 Personally I would have Hughes on the right and be fairly happy with not including Johnson, Low, Gradel or Tiatto. And if the passing from midfield was up to the standard necessary to make it worthwhile including Williams then you wouldn't need three strikers and you wouldn't need Chris O'Grady barrelling into defenders every two minutes because our half-decent midfield would be creating chances for our best two strikers, Fryatt and Hume. But if the midfield arn't getting the ball in decent areas, they won't be able to provide decent chances for the strikers. Its hard to provide a telling through ball when your stuck halfway in your own half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manwell Pablo Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 It might make an interesting poll but I'd have Porter down as the best passer in an attacking sense and Wesolowski as second although his passing tends to be less penetrative which is understandable given his position. Statistics won't necessarily provide the full answer because they won't measure the degree of adventure in all the passes, and Williams does tend to be adventurous so the risk of error is greater. What I fail to see is that if you include these three (as our best passers) and, presumably a right winger like Low or Gradel, how does anyone accomodate Hughes, Johnson, Tiatto or even a third striker like Hume? Ironically, considering our remaining and outstanding weaknesses, it is getting harder to choose our strongest team and will get harder still soon. UHUHUUH your so annoying, Max Gradel this Max Gradel that. He hasn't even got a squad number! you wont see him till next season at the earliest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 But if the midfield arn't getting the ball in decent areas, they won't be able to provide decent chances for the strikers. Its hard to provide a telling through ball when your stuck halfway in your own half. I agree but with a midfield like that, the defenders will have enough work to do defending. With more attack-minded players in the midfield they should be looking to play attackingly anyway, taking up positions higher up the pitch and Porter and Hume in particular being encouraged to run from deep. When the ball is played out of defence then those four midfielders should be better at retaining possession, enabling the defence to push up and force play higher up the pitch. In theory, at least. Personally I wouldn't have McCarthy in the side as I think our best chance of giving the midfield a platform is to play Kenton and Kisnorbo in central defence and encourage them to bring the ball out/give the simple pass rather than just hoofing it needlessly up to O'Grady as happened time and time again in the Southend game. Stearman has to prove he can both bring the ball out of defence and support attacks too. That's all conjecture anyway as McCarthy will be in the side all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 5 September 2006 Share Posted 5 September 2006 UHUHUUH your so annoying, Max Gradel this Max Gradel that. He hasn't even got a squad number! you wont see him till next season at the earliest! Why wait til next season to put him in the squad when he's the most dangerous winger we've got? Chambers hasn't got a squad number either but far worse players have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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