Daggers Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 If we fire Rob Kelly we will have to pay-up his contract, admittedly he will always only have one year left on his contract if that's how this rolling deal works. That's not how a rolling year contract works. He's served half(ish), we'd have to stump up the other half. The only reason to stick with RK is if he has demonstrated the ability to progress the club. He has not. He has now, as far as I am concerned, amply donated fodder for us to tear him to pieces with. I am Mr.Moderate, like Suffolk Fox, not a believer in hiring and firing on a whim...but Kelly is sending out the signals now - as loud as they can be - that he is unable to direct and motivate the squad. Simply: He does not have the requisite skills of a manager at this level. I do not wish to witness another display as pathetic as the one I witnessed this afternoon. Ever.
Jonbluefox9 Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 There's much in what you say but the reason we are down at the bottom end of the table is our obsession with having extra defenders and, consequently, Kelly's ridiculous team selections and ineffective/illogical substitutions . . I just can't see the team changing a great deal with a different manager in charge. I will agree that we have a creative gem waiting in the wings in Gradel. He's impressed me from the first time I saw him and didn't know who he was and has continued to do so but I think he's got more chance of getting a go under Kelly than he will if someone else comes in. Our defence is solid enough, going forward's our problem but I don't think we have enough answers to change it round with what we've got to choose from. I noticed your selection of Elvis on the wing in another thread. This isn't a dig at you but I think it's a sign of how poor our midfield is when Elvis Hammond is viewed as the best player we've got to play out wide. I'm not doubting he could do better than Hughes on the wing btw just highlights the problem we have.
Thracian Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 I just can't see the team changing a great deal with a different manager in charge. I will agree that we have a creative gem waiting in the wings in Gradel. He's impressed me from the first time I saw him and didn't know who he was and has continued to do so but I think he's got more chance of getting a go under Kelly than he will if someone else comes in. Our defence is solid enough, going forward's our problem but I don't think we have enough answers to change it round with what we've got to choose from. I noticed your selection of Elvis on the wing in another thread. This isn't a dig at you but I think it's a sign of how poor our midfield is when Elvis Hammond is viewed as the best player we've got to play out wide. I'm not doubting he could do better than Hughes on the wing btw just highlights the problem we have. I agree entirely. But the fluidity of the team with that midfield and Elvis's strength and pace is probably a better bet than starting another youth player. Gradel would be an option from the bench in this situation, as would Andy King who strikes me as an excellent attacking midfield player, I don't know what you think.
The People's Hero Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 But is it better to maintain a status quo of being sh it... or taking a chance? I'd take a chance. RK out. Thanks but no thanks fu ck off.
Jonbluefox9 Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 I agree entirely. But the fluidity of the team with that midfield and Elvis's strength and pace is probably a better bet than starting another youth player. Gradel would be an option from the bench in this situation, as would Andy King who strikes me as an excellent attacking midfield player, I don't know what you think. I like Andy King. Was quite slim last time a saw him play properly but I saw him during pre-season and although he hadn't beefed up a great deal he looked a more imposing player. What you get from King is he breaks his neck to get into the box and give another option in the middle when the balls on the opposite flank and because he's not a small lad he can cause problems whether it's a high or low cross. I don't think he'd look out of place in a first team match. Plus I've seen him play at full back before so I think he could do a job as a wing back if required although that is very unlikely at the moment.
Thracian Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 I like Andy King. Was quite slim last time a saw him play properly but I saw him during pre-season and although he hadn't beefed up a great deal he looked a more imposing player. What you get from King is he breaks his neck to get into the box and give another option in the middle when the balls on the opposite flank and because he's not a small lad he can cause problems whether it's a high or low cross. I don't think he'd look out of place in a first team match. Plus I've seen him play at full back before so I think he could do a job as a wing back if required although that is very unlikely at the moment. Thanks JBF.
The People's Hero Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 Let's just fire RK... he has good intentions etc but I really don't think he knows what he's doing and as a coach who didn't really want the job.. I think he'd agree.
GianEmmo Zola Posted 23 September 2006 Posted 23 September 2006 1 player can get us goals and that is Louis Dodds, he is awsesome. he scored a hatrick in the westerby final, albeit against us a non league team, but the 3 goals he scored were superb, stick him up top with either hume,fryatt,cog or elvis. and we cant go wrong. if i was offered the job id play, with the team weve got. _____________Logan_______________ Maybury McCauley_McCarthey_Sheehan Gradel____Hughes__Porter_____Tiatto ________Dodds____Fryatt___________ Subs: Henderson, Kenton, Williams, Low, Hume
Ultra Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Simply: He does not have the requisite skills of a manager at this level. I do not wish to witness another display as pathetic as the one I witnessed this afternoon. Ever. Agree entirely. Yesterday was the final straw. Kelly must GO!!!! He has proved that he is incapable of taking our club forwards. So the sooner we can find someone who is, the better!
Ultra Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 I like Andy King. Was quite slim last time a saw him play properly but I saw him during pre-season and although he hadn't beefed up a great deal he looked a more imposing player. What you get from King is he breaks his neck to get into the box and give another option in the middle when the balls on the opposite flank and because he's not a small lad he can cause problems whether it's a high or low cross. I don't think he'd look out of place in a first team match. Plus I've seen him play at full back before so I think he could do a job as a wing back if required although that is very unlikely at the moment. No more youth team players. What would be the purpose of throwing even more of them into the mess we are in right now? Look how many times folk on here have argued Porter and/or Weso would prove to be our saviours. And as yesterday proved, they clearly aren't!!
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Let's just fire RK... he has good intentions etc but I really don't think he knows what he's doing and as a coach who didn't really want the job.. I think he'd agree. Bollocks. What a treacherous lot we are. One manager is making obvious mistakes and so he's let go. Another one comes in, and we talk about pushing him off before his contract is up. A few months ago he was the ultimate saviour and now he's being condemned by the fickle and dissatisfied.
davieG Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 No more youth team players. What would be the purpose of throwing even more of them into the mess we are in right now? Look how many times folk on here have argued Porter and/or Weso would prove to be our saviours. And as yesterday proved, they clearly aren't!! What are the alternatives, we have no money to get these phantom experinced quality midfielders. Porter has proved as good as or better than Tiatto and Weso better than Hughes. How do you know these other youngsters won't prove to be better than Hughes/Johnson. We don't know, yes it's a risk, but it's a risk with the staus quo of tried, tested and failed Johnson & Hughes.
Cobbo Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Yeah get Kelly out and let's get Peter Raid in for 12 months. Then next year maybe Graham Taylor will fancy a stint for his 12 months. Then perhaps Alf Ramsey would fancy it if he's feeling up to it.
Guest Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Stearman? Best player? Is this the same player who seemed to loft long cultured passes upfield? Sorry, I meant to write hoof.
The People's Hero Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Bollocks. What a treacherous lot we are. One manager is making obvious mistakes and so he's let go. Another one comes in, and we talk about pushing him off before his contract is up. A few months ago he was the ultimate saviour and now he's being condemned by the fickle and dissatisfied. Fickle and dissatisfied? Fu ck off!
Jonbluefox9 Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 No more youth team players. What would be the purpose of throwing even more of them into the mess we are in right now? Look how many times folk on here have argued Porter and/or Weso would prove to be our saviours. And as yesterday proved, they clearly aren't!! I was asked what I think of Andy King. In my opinion he would not look out of place at first team level. I don't see what's wrong with saying that. If you'd rather see the midfield that we currently have continue then fine.
Louise Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 That's not how a rolling year contract works. He's served half(ish), we'd have to stump up the other half. The only reason to stick with RK is if he has demonstrated the ability to progress the club. He has not. He has now, as far as I am concerned, amply donated fodder for us to tear him to pieces with. I am Mr.Moderate, like Suffolk Fox, not a believer in hiring and firing on a whim...but Kelly is sending out the signals now - as loud as they can be - that he is unable to direct and motivate the squad. Simply: He does not have the requisite skills of a manager at this level. I do not wish to witness another display as pathetic as the one I witnessed this afternoon. Ever. That is how a rolling year contract works, you always have to pay off one year.
Thracian Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 No more youth team players. What would be the purpose of throwing even more of them into the mess we are in right now? Look how many times folk on here have argued Porter and/or Weso would prove to be our saviours. And as yesterday proved, they clearly aren't!! Don't you aid that at me. Porter's already been one of our better players this season. Weso will get his best form back buit in any case I campaigned for an attacking line up that went RIGHT THROUGH THER TEAM and I campaigned long, hard and continuously. That means full-backs, midfield players and proper wingers all linking iin together by passing and supporting Don't for one f...g moment suggest I said this individual or that indivdual was a savioure. The fact that others didn't see it that way and directly or indirectly supported Kelly forever hedging his bets and counter-balancing the3 side is there fault not mine. Look at my team suggestions over the weeks. Never once has he lined up with the sort of passing and supporting side I've suggested. Accuse me of anything you like so long as it's true but I never have and never will support a halfway house nor any suggestion of Hughes at right midfield EVER. As for Andy King. Team or bench I'd prefer him to Hughes anytime but my choice in today's situation would be Hammond.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 Don't you aid that at me. Porter's already been one of our better players this season. Weso will get his best form back buit in any case I campaigned for an attacking line up that went RIGHT THROUGH THER TEAM and I campaigned long, hard and continuously. That means full-backs, midfield players and proper wingers all linking iin together by passing and supporting Don't for one f...g moment suggest I said this individual or that indivdual was a savioure. The fact that others didn't see it that way and directly or indirectly supported Kelly forever hedging his bets and counter-balancing the3 side is there fault not mine. Look at my team suggestions over the weeks. Never once has he lined up with the sort of passing and supporting side I've suggested. Accuse me of anything you like so long as it's true but I never have and never will support a halfway house nor any suggestion of Hughes at right midfield EVER. As for Andy King. Team or bench I'd prefer him to Hughes anytime but my choice in today's situation would be Hammond. The teams you will concead goals, don't have the maturity to play consistently well week in week out, still have a lot of growing up today and are yet to develop into the good players you think they are already, and are to young to bounce back from defeat. I'm fed up with arguing about specfic players with you but alot of our team hasn't been as good as you make out. Leicester haven't won a league game Levi Porter has started ( I know how much you love stats of this nature ). Our squad is full of poor or under performing players as well as kids who are yet to develop. Put any team you want out we are in trouble, we lack quality in all positions, our manager doesn't know his best team and we can't afford a decent replacement, and we need a decent replacement because right now this job is one of the hardest in the football league.
l444ry Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 I thought the talk of sacking Kelly two games into the season was pathetic...but the idea now has the Disco Bob seal of approval, like it needed it I don't care who we appoint in his place, someone from the youth team? Someone from the burger van outside? A small piece of expanded polystyrene? It really doesn't matter because it will be an improvement on the current absence of wherewithall being exhibited by Kelly. Where is the desire to win? Hughes put in a performance that would have embarrased someone playing for a school side. He lost balls everytime, his passes never found a blue shirt and that was when he wasn't just standing watching the game. What did Kelly do? Nothing, until the belated sub. Pathetic. I've had my fill now. I've tried to put a positive spin on this - but from one end of the pitch to the other we were bollox. He has to assume responsibility for this and correct it now or **** off. I did warn you after the Sunderland game what it would be like......
Janx Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 why is everyone backing Kelly when by ALL accounts he cant motivate/pick a midfield to supply two or three of the best strikers in the league???? I also think the board are on borrowed time, not merely for thrusting the "cash supply" back on the fans, but also for comitting to Rob AND there are far too many parties on the board.... it must be like King Arthurs court at meetings, and I cannot beileve all voices will be united...
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 WAHEY! We are now 20th thanks to Cardiff.
shen Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 why is everyone backing Kelly when by ALL accounts he cant motivate/pick a midfield to supply two or three of the best strikers in the league???? I also think the board are on borrowed time, not merely for thrusting the "cash supply" back on the fans, but also for comitting to Rob AND there are far too many parties on the board.... it must be like King Arthurs court at meetings, and I cannot beileve all voices will be united... I'm sorry what?! I've still to read about ANYONE backing Kelly at the present time...
DanTheFoxBhoy Posted 24 September 2006 Posted 24 September 2006 I'm sorry what?! I've still to read about ANYONE backing Kelly at the present time... Erm... me? Arrrgh
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