Duberry accuses Tiatto of racism

[lookwhaticando]

Where does MP's quote end and Thracians post begin?

London's last paragraph is

The reason the emphasis is on tackling racism against ethnic groups because will all due respect the white majority in this country have had it pretty easy over the years in comparison to what it's like being part of an ethnic minority. Look at the stats of rising hate crimes. Of course I accept that there is racism against white people and its disgusting and unacceptable and needs to be stamped out but that's not an excuse for other forms which you were happy to sweep under the carpet as football banter in the heat of the moment.

Thracian begins with the line about Mugabe.

[Katy]

London's last paragraph is

Thracian begins with the line about Mugabe.

See, I was that confused I thought it was Manwells post

[lookwhaticando]

See, I was that confused I thought it was Manwells post

Seriously crossed wires, there.

I wondered that myself... "who's MP?"

I wondered even more when I saw it was London_Fox he'd quoted.

[Dr The Singh]

You know, what from reading all these posts, and looking at society in general, there is a real issue here, if the 'authorities and PC brigade don't get there act together, all the good work done in the UK interms of integration, race relations and multiculturism will go down the pan.

There is alot of discontent among people about positive descrimination etc and it's comming to a breaking point, sooner or later the authorities like the muppets they are will 'respond' to this and 'turn' the tide the other way. The other worry is the fact that this will add fuel to the likes of the BNP.

I fear for the future, being a SIkh, SIkhs get better treatment in UK then anywhere else in the world, including India, and even PUnjab, there are laws in this land that allow Sikhs to practice there faith in harmony and as you may know, Sikhs have a distinct identity whcih is integral to there faith. For which the Sikhs have contibuted in kind, in terms being one of the most successful out of the ethnic minorities and have contributed in business, music, armed forces. I fear that UK, may react like France, Denmark etc that have now isolated there ethnic counterparts and have played to the majorirty and right wing groups!!!

[Hullfox]

Interesting thread to say the least.

Racism in any form should not be tolerated anywhere in my opinion.

Seems to me that the problem is how is racism defined. Already within this thread we have seen differing views on the use of the word "coon" against another person. Personally I think it is wrong, others have seen it as being nothing to get worked up about.

Perception is the crux of the matter and as Thrach says there is much worse racism going on elsewhere in the world (a la Mugabe).

Whether or not the remark was in fact made, I think that to almost laugh off such comments is to allow racism in at ground level where it can spread quickly. A wise man once told me that there's no such thing as a one off, just a precedent. Comments like this could set a dangerous precedent.

[davieG]

Interesting thread to say the least.

Racism in any form should not be tolerated anywhere in my opinion.

Seems to me that the problem is how is racism defined. Already within this thread we have seen differing views on the use of the word "coon" against another person. Personally I think it is wrong, others have seen it as being nothing to get worked up about.

Perception is the crux of the matter and as Thrach says there is much worse racism going on elsewhere in the world (a la Mugabe).

Whether or not the remark was in fact made, I think that to almost laugh off such comments is to allow racism in at ground level where it can spread quickly. A wise man once told me that there's no such thing as a one off, just a precedent. Comments like this could set a dangerous precedent.

I thought the differing views were based on him being called a French C**t.

[Manwell Pablo]

I thought the differing views were based on him being called a French C**t.

Well that what I was baseing my view on. I don't condone the word coon at all.

Strange that I see nothing wrong with C**t, but plenty wrong with coon.

[ithuriel]

I'm surprised, it has gone this far, nobody has made a compliant and yet the 'authorities' see fit to intervene!!

Footballers make terrible role models, with them spitting, swearing all the times, but that's not to say children shouldn't aspire to be as good at football as those players!!!

better than following politicians , they get upto things i bet would make footballers cringe. bin liner , orange and one rope are common accessories i believe in certain parlour games

[Daggers]

Well that what I was baseing my view on. I don't condone the word coon at all.

Strange that I see nothing wrong with C**t, but plenty wrong with coon.

****

3/10, I will never forget!

[davieG]

Well that what I was baseing my view on. I don't condone the word coon at all.

Strange that I see nothing wrong with C**t, but plenty wrong with coon.

Even stranger is the fact that the one you/we find more acceptable you/we can't/won't write in full and the other......

[Daggers]

Even stranger is the fact that the one you/we find more acceptable you/we can't/won't write in full and the other......

I find the use of the word (that isn't ****) disgusting. I will not write it or say it...the mere mention of it sickens me.

[Shum]

Kerryh also hates the C word!

[Manwell Pablo]

Even stranger is the fact that the one you/we find more acceptable you/we can't/won't write in full and the other......

Indeed, had to read that three times to work out what you were banging on about but I got there in the end.

[davieG]

Kerryh also hates the C word!

Which one, I guess both really?

[Shum]

Which one, I guess both really?

I was referring to ****!

But I imagine the other too.

[davieG]

I was referring to ****!

But I imagine the other too.

Tis a horrible word, well the way it is used is, and has now been heard on television, soon to replace F**k as the cheap way to get a laugh, which in turn replaced bloody.

[Thracian]

Interesting thread to say the least.

Racism in any form should not be tolerated anywhere in my opinion.

Seems to me that the problem is how is racism defined. Already within this thread we have seen differing views on the use of the word "coon" against another person. Personally I think it is wrong, others have seen it as being nothing to get worked up about.

Perception is the crux of the matter and as Thrach says there is much worse racism going on elsewhere in the world (a la Mugabe).

Whether or not the remark was in fact made, I think that to almost laugh off such comments is to allow racism in at ground level where it can spread quickly. A wise man once told me that there's no such thing as a one off, just a precedent. Comments like this could set a dangerous precedent.

But it is not a question of not tolerating racism. It exists. Like alcoholism and drug abuse. , violent crime, the limiting of human rights for women.

In many ways we tolerate all those things to a greater or lesser extent. And acting against perceived racists - especially ones who don't intend to be racist at all - will not stop them being racists, probably quite the opposite, any more than acting against alcoholics, drug abusers or those who would limit the rights of women can be randomly "not tolerated".

Changing such situations is about persuasion, education, and the presenting of better alternatives, not about force.

So why allow the anti racism campaign to get itself into disrepute over some inconsequential pettiness which is being exaggerated to mean far more than was ever intended when there are much more serious and important things to deal with?.

The campaigning against racism might seek to stamp down on serious instances of racial hatred, but what else? Is it meant to promote greater understanding, friendship and tolerance or is it also meant to further the cause of ethnic minorities who, as I say, are not always the ones who are victims of racism.

Cos if that begins to show then The Singh is right as I am sure he is anyway, that things like the Tiatto isssue will only fan the feelings of resentment which are, as he says, are already showing signs of growing.

The Tiatto incident should never have gone public. It required simply for a few quiet words with the guy and, hopefully in the end, a genuine handshake between two footballers who might have ended up a bit wiser in the end.

[Steven]

But it is not a question of not tolerating racism. It exists. Like alcoholism and drug abuse. , violent crime, the limiting of human rights for women.

In many ways we tolerate all those things to a greater or lesser extent. And acting against perceived racists - especially ones who don't intend to be racist at all - will not stop them being racists, probably quite the opposite, any more than acting against alcoholics, drug abusers or those who would limit the rights of women can be randomly "not tolerated".

Changing such situations is about persuasion, education, and the presenting of better alternatives, not about force.

So why allow the anti racism campaign to get itself into disrepute over some inconsequential pettiness which is being exaggerated to mean far more than was ever intended when there are much more serious and important things to deal with?.

The campaigning against racism might seek to stamp down on serious instances of racial hatred, but what else? Is it meant to promote greater understanding, friendship and tolerance or is it also meant to further the cause of ethnic minorities who, as I say, are not always the ones who are victims of racism.

Cos if that begins to show then The Singh is right as I am sure he is anyway, that things like the Tiatto isssue will only fan the feelings of resentment which are, as he says, are already showing signs of growing.

The Tiatto incident should never have gone public. It required simply for a few quiet words with the guy and, hopefully in the end, a genuine handshake between two footballers who might have ended up a bit wiser in the end.

Totally agree and with much else in that post. However that sort of perspective is out of fashion at the moment led on by the Sun reading persons who must always use punishment and force as the only means of dealing with problems. We have had that kind of regime for the last 25 years and it seems to me to have failed. <_<

[Swedging]

Tis a horrible word, well the way it is used is, and has now been heard on television, soon to replace F**k as the cheap way to get a laugh, which in turn replaced bloody.

Often gets a laugh from me. Especially in The Commitments, when the guy organising the band goes over to strike up a conversation with the kid, who's going to be the singer, who is eating his soup. He asks, "how's the soup?" and gets back the answer, "C*ntish." So descriptive, in all the wrong ways.

[Sean St Ledger]

To be honest i don't think danny is the sort of person what would do this type of thing.

[Steven]

From the Sydney Morning Herald.

Tiatto denies racism claims

Australia's Danny Tiatto has denied racially abusing Senegalese midfielder Salif Diao while playing for Leicester against Stoke in the English Championship.

Tiatto said he had made a comment to Diao when the pair clashed early in Tuesday night's game at the Walkers Stadium but what he said was not racist.

"It's just one of those things, heat of the moment, something said on the pitch, nothing racist whatsoever," Tiatto said.

"I'm not that kind of person.

"The player had no problem with me and shook my hand after the game."

Stoke captain Michael Duberry had accused Tiatto of making a racist slur.

But the FA revealed match referee Graham Laws made no reference to the alleged incident in his match report - meaning no further action can be taken unless an official complaint is lodged by the club or players concerned.

So far, there is no suggestion that anyone has made an official complaint and Duberry said earlier in the week he did not intend to do so.

"I'm not sure if the ref heard it himself but a lot of players did. And he (Tiatto) knows what he said. He should be disgusted with himself," Duberry said at the time.

"It wasn't a black or white remark, there was no mention of colour, but it's still racism."

Tiatto also pointed out Stoke manager Tony Pulis had said there was nothing to report when asked.

"No action has been taken so it's obvious from that that there was no sort of racist comment made," Tiatto said.

[davieG]

Sounds like much ado about nothing

Or

[Thracian]

From the Sydney Morning Herald.

Says it all really!

[Daggers]

I'd like to see Duberry censured by the FA for this.

[chili_con_carne]

Are the FA still looking into this or has tiatto been let off?