gosfox Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 Duberry claims that most of the players heard what Tiatto allegedly said...... if thats so then surely some of the fans would have heard too.... funny how no one else has backed up his claims sour grapes if ever i heard them
Jimmy Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon
marko Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 If these accussations from Duberry turn out to be false, surely Tiatto can sue him for slander or something similar. Because these are very serious accussations to make aginst a fellow professional. Another thought, if these remarks made by Danny boy were so serious why didn't it kick off. I can't recall seeing any heated clashes in the first half, surely if a number of their players heard it then they would have confronted Tiatto, or Salif Diao himself would have gone mental after being abused. I also wonder why Diao has declined the opportunity to tell his side to the media.
reynard Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 We need to realise this is a very serious allegation. At present the facts are not forthcoming but imo it is upto city to investigate and hopefully clear Tiatto. however, if it should be proven that he did commit such an offence then it is hard to see how he can remain a Leicester player given the club's well documented and highly creditable approach to kicking racism out of football. let's hope it is hot air.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 If these accussations from Duberry turn out to be false, surely Tiatto can sue him for slander or something similar. Because these are very serious accussations to make aginst a fellow professional. Another thought, if these remarks made by Danny boy were so serious why didn't it kick off. I can't recall seeing any heated clashes in the first half, surely if a number of their players heard it then they would have confronted Tiatto, or Salif Diao himself would have gone mental after being abused. I also wonder why Diao has declined the opportunity to tell his side to the media. I presumed it was in the second half during that nonsense in the South-East corner towards the end? Oh, just seen it says the claim was that he made the comments early on. Then yes, you make a very strong point. Seems a bit strange.
marko Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 I presumed it was in the second half during that nonsense in the South-East corner towards the end? No apparently they were at the start of the game. I'm sure it says the time of the incident in the first few lines of the article. Sky Sports
Daggers Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon ...on the opposite side of the field to the Stoke fans?!
Daggers Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 Linekar78 is nothing to do with me. Check your facts before you post. I did. I checked my Big Chief I-Spy book of FoxesTalk posters...and it clearly says on page 73 that you and Linekar78 are an item and that you both like fluffy socks, sewing and Babysham.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 Chandler? Ultra? Freund or Lush? They're all coming out of the woodwork today aren't they Were you even on here at the same time as her? Trust me she wouldn't be saying things like that, this is the woman who accused Sylla of going off to the African Nations Cup to "throw spears while we pay his wages"
Daggers Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 Were you even on here at the same time as her? She was posting as another name a little while back, mainly in the threads about politics in GenChat. I did a search for past posts after someone told me I'd find them funny.
Manwell Pablo Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 She was posting as another name a little while back, mainly in the threads about politics in GenChat. I did a search for past posts after someone told me I'd find them funny. Right, you scared me I thought she had been posting today, I thought those dark days had passed.
Bert Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon 1. It wasn't that. 2. I know this because Duberry said it wasn't about his colour or something and i believe "coon" is. 3. How would a Stoke fan know.
cisono Posted 1 November 2006 Posted 1 November 2006 Tiatto could have simply called him an "African" or something like that....... How would that be racist?
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon Big deal. If that's the worst that's ever muttered in retaliation by a bloke who's been clattered whoopee whoo. And small minded idiots want to make a song and dance about it, give the whole thing more substance than it deserves just to make a cheap political point. There are more important things in the world to worry about where racism is concerned than thoughtless but reactionary remarks. Like I say, a quiet word at the right time instead of some cheapshot publicity would have sufficed.
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Don't be stupid, grass maybe looks greener on the other side, plus every coin has 2 sides, it may seem as though Duberry is getting the benefit of the doubt on this occassion but majority people with common sense (coloured or blanc) know better!!! Trust me, being coloured, I can't stand positive discrimination, because it's wrong and the long term effects could be disastrious!!! Couldn't agree more. It's patronizing and insulting. People should be chosen on merit, full stop. And in football, from what I can see, they are. It's the most inclusive game imaginable. Look at our team: Aussies, Irish, English, Guinean, Scottish, black, white and shades in between yet they play with a spirit to celebrate. If I'd come off that field and been upset I'd probably have ordered Tiatto a drink and just pointed out that I was unhappy with what he said. Duberry should concentrate on being a footballer instead of a bloody activist. At least until he finds something worthwhile to act upon.
London_Fox Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Big deal. If that's the worst that's ever muttered in retaliation by a bloke who's been clattered whoopee whoo. And small minded idiots want to make a song and dance about it, give the whole thing more substance than it deserves just to make a cheap political point. There are more important things in the world to worry about where racism is concerned than thoughtless but reactionary remarks. Like I say, a quiet word at the right time instead of some cheapshot publicity would have sufficed. I find it unbelievable that people who are normally fairly sound minded on this board are happy to make excuses for racism. If it did happen then it is "big deal" because it's something we should all be able to agree is unacceptable. I agree that it needs to be proved and Duberry went about it the wrong way but just because it's one of our players doesn't mean we should have this sort of flippancy towards to it. This thread has shown exactly why kicking racism out of football is proving so difficult to do.
The Don Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon I too would take offence at being called french. I hate the smelly arrogant t*ssers!!
Thracian Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 I find it unbelievable that people who are normally fairly sound minded on this board are happy to make excuses for racism. If it did happen then it is "big deal" because it's something we should all be able to agree is unacceptable. I agree that it needs to be proved and Duberry went about it the wrong way but just because it's one of our players doesn't mean we should have this sort of flippancy towards to it. This thread has shown exactly why kicking racism out of football is proving so difficult to do. Don't go putting words into my argument. You might want to think that - it suits your over-the-top reactionary bandwagon joining - but I've made no excuses for racism nor do I have to. Unlike a lot of people I have never been racist - I have always respected people of every creed and colour and treated them as an equal. What I believe is that this sort of thing dilutes and devalues the real fight against genuine racism. This is not racism whatever has been said and it's bandwagon jumpers who maliciously pretend it is. This £1`to a penny was momentary reaction, verbal retaliation to a perceived assault. Even giving it the time of day deflects from the impact of the genuine battles against racism - and the real fight which is not to force people to behave in a way they might not believe in (sack Tiatto etc) but to persuade people that there is good reason to have respect for what people are instead of putting them down because they are perceived as different, a threat or somehow undesirable. You don't "kick" racism out of anything. Because racism might not be publicly expressed doesn't mean for an isntance that it's gone away. The fight against racism is one of persuation and example of tolerance and co-operation, of friendship and familiarity not force fed bullying and political example making.
Daggers Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 IF Tiatto made a racist comment then Diao could have reported it IF he had taken offense. Diao has not made a complaint, Stoke are not registering a complaint and Duberry has expressed his intention NOT to file a complaint. As it stands, Duberry's allegation holds as much water as a sieve. Time to move on people, time to move on.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Don't go putting words into my argument. You might want to think that - it suits your over-the-top reactionary bandwagon joining - but I've made no excuses for racism nor do I have to. Unlike a lot of people I have never been racist - I have always respected people of every creed and colour and treated them as an equal. What I believe is that this sort of thing dilutes and devalues the real fight against genuine racism. This is not racism whatever has been said and it's bandwagon jumpers who maliciously pretend it is. This £1`to a penny was momentary reaction, verbal retaliation to a perceived assault. Even giving it the time of day deflects from the impact of the genuine battles against racism - and the real fight which is not to force people to behave in a way they might not believe in (sack Tiatto etc) but to persuade people that there is good reason to have respect for what people are instead of putting them down because they are perceived as different, a threat or somehow undesirable. You don't "kick" racism out of anything. Because racism might not be publicly expressed doesn't mean for an isntance that it's gone away. The fight against racism is one of persuation and example of tolerance and co-operation, of friendship and familiarity not force fed bullying and political example making. Bizarre. That's not to say I don't agree with bits of what you say by the way.
Swedging Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 1. It wasn't that. 2. I know this because Duberry said it wasn't about his colour or something and i believe "coon" is. 3. How would a Stoke fan know. Indeed. French **** is much more likely, both to be said, and in terms of what Duberry is claiming.
Master Fox Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 speaking to a stoke supporting mate, tiatto allegedly called diao a french coon
London_Fox Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 I'd love for you to explain how "This is not racism whatever has been said" and what you meant by it's not a "big deal" if not to take away from the seriousness of it. Maybe if you clarified then you couldn't accuse me of putting words in your mouth. Your accusation that everyone who disagrees with you is a reactionary on some sort of bandwagon is bizzare considering you know very little about most of the people that disagree with you. I'm not juming on any bandwagon but I happen to believe that racism is unacceptable even on a football pitch. It seems that you think that sometimes racism is acceptable or that if it's said in retaliation it's not racism for some reason. The fact is that IF Tiatto made a racist comment then he chose to make that comment rather then react in any other way. We can argue about whether racism is different to other predjudice but the general consensus in the world (and in football) is that it's not acceptable. I don't think that when black players spearhead the Kick-it-Out campaign they are on a bandwagon, probobly just sick of it. Kicking people and whatever else in football is something most pro's accept is part and parcel of the game but racism (like headbutting or biting) is something that isn't and shouldn't be accepted. The fact is that whatever way you're putting and whatever labels you're trying to put on me your previous posts have given the impression (and not just to me and crazy bandwagon) that you don't think racism is that bad in some contexts. I'm glad you've never been a racist, well done, but tolerating it in others isn't acceptable either in my book. You're right that you can't just make racism disappear but that isn't the point here. You can punish people for it and make it clear it's not welcome in football especially from people who are inevitably (rightly or wrongly) rolemodels for a younger generation. It might not solve it on it's own but it's also only a part of wider programmes to reduce/remove racism in our society...I thought that was something most people were on board with, maybe not.
Daggers Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Time for group hugs everyone...come on....all of you...pack in tight.
Master Fox Posted 2 November 2006 Posted 2 November 2006 Time for group hugs everyone...come on....all of you...pack in tight. No, your hands tend to drift
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