General Smuts Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Come on. Someone reliable actually tell me whether N'Gotty was brilliant or shit. I doubt im that reliable but i was sitting next to Thracuian who is and the consensus was that he 'did the simple things well' and was quite solid and 'much better than we had last year' especially Kisnorbo.
Daggers Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Come on. Someone reliable actually tell me whether N'Gotty was brilliant or shit.I think it's irrelevant. I doubt im that reliable but i was sitting next to Thracuian who is and the consensus was that he 'did the simple things well' and was quite solid and 'much better than we had last year' especially Kisnorbo.Oh dear :laugh: ...and what do you think about Porter now?
James. Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 I doubt im that reliable but i was sitting next to Thracuian who is...
Fez of Mahrez Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 I doubt im that reliable but i was sitting next to Thracuian who is and the consensus was that he 'did the simple things well' and was quite solid and 'much better than we had last year' especially Kisnorbo. Yeah but Thracian thought that Sheehan was like Jesus crossed with Maradona, when everyone else said he was either alright or outshone by an Academy left-winger who replaced him.
General Smuts Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 What evidence is there that Fryatt will play up front? He didn't play last night, and looks to have Cort and De Vries ahead of him at the moment. That really is a lot of critisism for a pre season friendly against Hinckely. Here Here. I thought there were plenty of positives to take out of yesterdays game and very few negatives the only one being Neilsens inability to deal with corners and crosses becoming more apparent. But on the whole it was a particularly positive experience.
Simi Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Come on. Someone reliable actually tell me whether N'Gotty was brilliant or shit. He was neither really. He never really looked uncomfortable in my opinon, when he had the ball he just played the simple balls, instead of hoofing forwards towards the strikers. He has now started both Quorn and Hinckley with two different partners, I'd think Allen sees him as a starter.
General Smuts Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Yeah but Thracian thought that Sheehan was like Jesus crossed with Maradona, when everyone else said he was either alright or outshone by an Academy left-winger who replaced him. He was certainly not outshone but Beswick did play quite well. Oh dear :laugh: ...and what do you think about Porter now? He's a player's player who plays well when he plays Nah i've not seen him play alot since i played aganst him at under 9/10/11 etc level because i missed most of last season whilst at uni, and last night he only got a little run out so i can't really judge. Still as fast as fook though.
Joe. Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 He was neither really. He never really looked uncomfortable in my opinon, when he had the ball he just played the simple balls, instead of hoofing forwards towards the strikers.He has now started both Quorn and Hinckley with two different partners, I'd think Allen sees him as a starter. You could say the same about McAuley though seeing as he started Oadby and Hinckley Allen will have a mental image of his starting lineup at the moment but he won't be certain until the season kicks off.
General Smuts Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 You could say the same about McAuley though seeing as he started Oadby and Hinckley Allen will have a mental image of his starting lineup at the moment but he won't be certain until the season kicks off. And De Vries whose started 2 games now.
davieG Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Come on. Someone reliable actually tell me whether N'Gotty was brilliant or shit. When N'Grotty was subbed I remember saying I hadn't noticed him at all, that means to me he had a good game or at least didn't do anything spectacular or outrageously crap, so I'd say he had a steady game against an average but determined opposition.
Thracian Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 He is f'cking shit though, no better than what we have here already and they are all toilet But he IS a new signing and some have already pencilled his name in cos of that.
Thracian Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 When N'Grotty was subbed I remember saying I hadn't noticed him at all, that means to me he had a good game or at least didn't do anything spectacular or outrageously crap, so I'd say he had a steady game against an average but determined opposition. Another guide is how many shots Hinckley had. It wasn't many and the same applied against Quorn.
Daggers Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 But he IS a new signing and some have already pencilled his name in cos of that. And he's had a bit-part in preseason FRIENDLIES and some have already written him off cos of that.
General Smuts Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 And he's had a bit-part in preseason FRIENDLIES and some have already written him off cos of that. Seriously did you go to the Hinckley game? Because i did an he looked dodgier than a jammie dodger riding on a dodgem with rodger dodger. The first time i saw him get anything right all evening is when he waved at the call of 'Jimmy Jimmy give us a wave' so at least he knows his own name. He did however wait to see if Weso turned round first.
Guest Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Well well aren't you all getting in a tiz over the keeper?? If we'd just signed Lee Camp it would have solved the problem eh?? I watched the Quorn game and have to say that if Neilson was as poor against Hinckley then it is a worry - friendly or not. I remember a certain other foreign keeper we signed a few years ago who showed within 2/3 games that he was cack. though to be fair he seems to have done alright since (milan anyone).
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Jimmy Neilsen - look at the company... Danish Keepers of the Year ... i'm sure he can't be crap, only going from his Football Manager rating! Being a keeper myself (at a crap standard ok, but i'm decent.) I often find that if i haven't played for a while I'm shocking at crosses and decision making. I'm sure (fingers crossed) that will pass. If not, what I see from Logan encourages me - although I missed his dodgy spell. Henderson does not convince me at all - his starting position and weight seems all wrong to me.
bringbackWalshie Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 did you watch the world cup? MON summed it up with his comments, something along the lines of 'thats why he never made it with me'
Geo V Posted 18 July 2007 Posted 18 July 2007 Lets not forget that some on here think that Logan has the potential of being the "real deal" and Hendersen has his supporters amongst the fans and at times played really well. I havent seen Nielsen yet so I`ll reserve judgement but our keepers seem to be OK and I personally wouldnt mind Logan starting and having players like N`Gotty organising things in front of him. No offence to Kisnorbo, McAuley and the rest but we seemed to lack organisation at the back and a player like N`Gotty should get things sorted which will help the keeper, especially if its Logan who is inexperienced. I also dont think our keeper, whoever it will be, will have as much work to do as in recent seasons. Anyway, I am not one for knee-jerk reactions or unrealistic aims but after the few seasons that we have had in expecting crap players and fearing the worst, we can now all look forward to some happier times and there is no doubt that there is a buzz around the place with MA, MM, McKay, the new players etc etc so instead of having a pop at us for being excited, lets all jump on the bandwaggon and hope that we start winning football matches into the bargain! I personally cant wait to see the likes of Kaebi, N`Gotty, Clemence and the other new boys team up with players like Hume and Kisnorbo and actually start the season with players to be proud of. Lets me avin ya, WE ARE THE BEST FUSSBALL IN THE WORLD.
Daggers Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 Seriously did you go to the Hinckley game? No - because, and this is the really important bit, it was only Hinckley. Pre-season friendlies are meaningless, unimportant nonsense aimed at building up match fitness and nothing more. Pointless exercises entailing wasting money and time. Everyone is busy reading far too much importance into performance as if I were an indicator of league performance - it isn't. They only have an impact if we are going into the season having been whupped by the likes of Quorn and Notts County (see Leeds last season). We haven't been (thus far). Y'all want to go off at hyperbole tangents proclaiming Nielsen to be less efficient between the sticks than a sea lion on roller blades? Fine. I'm staying here waiting for the proper grown-up games to begin. As I said, judge the man on competitive performances...not meaningless run-outs.
Ric Flair Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 McAuley was utter gash in pre-season last summer and everyone thought we'd signed a duffer. A year on and he's classed as our best centre back. Granted, if someone's crap then they're crap and they can have all the time in the world and it won't change that. But as i've already said, he played about 350 consecutive games for a top Danish team and that counts for something.
Thracian Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 No - because, and this is the really important bit, it was only Hinckley.Pre-season friendlies are meaningless, unimportant nonsense aimed at building up match fitness and nothing more. Pointless exercises entailing wasting money and time. Everyone is busy reading far too much importance into performance as if I were an indicator of league performance - it isn't. They only have an impact if we are going into the season having been whupped by the likes of Quorn and Notts County (see Leeds last season). We haven't been (thus far). Y'all want to go off at hyperbole tangents proclaiming Nielsen to be less efficient between the sticks than a sea lion on roller blades? Fine. I'm staying here waiting for the proper grown-up games to begin. As I said, judge the man on competitive performances...not meaningless run-outs. With the wholesale changes we've made I feel the friendlies this season are vitally important. We cannot wait til the League programme starts to find some team undestanding and friendlies under Martin Allen are treated totally different to friendlies by other managers I've seen. There is no sitting back, no taking a laid back attitude. Allen is an obsessive winner. Nothing else will please him. Furthermore he's an obsessive learner and is plainly using the friendly programme to do exactly that. Our tempo is much higher than last season and would be whether we were playing Arsenal or Highfield Rangers. Allen expects performances from everyone and Nielsen won't be shaky because he wants to be I am quite sure. Some people might be happy to wait half a dozen League matches to judge his performances. But I doubt Allen will. He's got perfectly competent alternatives and if Nielsen doesn't convince I cannot imagine he'll get in. And right now there's no way he'd be my choice.
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 With the wholesale changes we've made I feel the friendlies this season are vitally important.We cannot wait til the League programme starts to find some team undestanding and friendlies under Martin Allen are treated totally different to friendlies by other managers I've seen. There is no sitting back, no taking a laid back attitude. Allen is an obsessive winner. Nothing else will please him. Furthermore he's an obsessive learner and is plainly using the friendly programme to do exactly that. Our tempo is much higher than last season and would be whether we were playing Arsenal or Highfield Rangers. Allen expects performances from everyone and Nielsen won't be shaky because he wants to be I am quite sure. Some people might be happy to wait half a dozen League matches to judge his performances. But I doubt Allen will. He's got perfectly competent alternatives and if Nielsen doesn't convince I cannot imagine he'll get in. And right now there's no way he'd be my choice. I'd forgotten how annoying you are during pre season.
Geo V Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 With the wholesale changes we've made I feel the friendlies this season are vitally important.We cannot wait til the League programme starts to find some team undestanding and friendlies under Martin Allen are treated totally different to friendlies by other managers I've seen. There is no sitting back, no taking a laid back attitude. Allen is an obsessive winner. Nothing else will please him. Furthermore he's an obsessive learner and is plainly using the friendly programme to do exactly that. Our tempo is much higher than last season and would be whether we were playing Arsenal or Highfield Rangers. Allen expects performances from everyone and Nielsen won't be shaky because he wants to be I am quite sure. Some people might be happy to wait half a dozen League matches to judge his performances. But I doubt Allen will. He's got perfectly competent alternatives and if Nielsen doesn't convince I cannot imagine he'll get in. And right now there's no way he'd be my choice. Yes pre-season is important but I doubt that MA knows his best team yet and we still have two players away on International duty, 4 or 5 on the transfer list and the promise of one or two new faces to arrive. We arguably wont see MA`s best eleven until the game against Pompey. All that said, I think that the next 2 weeks will be able team building, overall tactics and match fitness. Ideally we would see MA play what he thinks is his best team from the get-go and see them gel but that is an impossibility. These too are why we should not expect too much from the lads early doors because I guess that we will see the best of the team after 4 or 5 games of playing together.
Daggers Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 I have entirely changed my position. I have been won over by Thracian's powerful argument and now agree with him. Friendlies are important and Nielsen is shit.
Thracian Posted 19 July 2007 Posted 19 July 2007 Yes pre-season is important but I doubt that MA knows his best team yet and we still have two players away on International duty, 4 or 5 on the transfer list and the promise of one or two new faces to arrive. We arguably wont see MA`s best eleven until the game against Pompey. All that said, I think that the next 2 weeks will be able team building, overall tactics and match fitness. Ideally we would see MA play what he thinks is his best team from the get-go and see them gel but that is an impossibility. These too are why we should not expect too much from the lads early doors because I guess that we will see the best of the team after 4 or 5 games of playing together. Not sure MA will have a "best team". He remarked at Kilworth that he'll very rarely use the word team. He really does think in terms of squad and I believe he will use both his starting line-up and replacements in close to equal measure. Like Fergie, who he admires greatly, he'll avoid player burn out, ensure people are kept active and involved and honestly won't see, say, Wesolowski as being weaker than Kishishev or Clemence but all three as front grade, best in the League players. There won't be any such thing as not changing a winning team. His squad will represent his winning team - every one of them.
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