Anyone else think Mandaric may have a problem?

[Mack]

I'm starting to wonder if Mandaric has dug a hole for himself a bit over the Manager saga.

In the short time he's been here he has backed and sacked Kelly, brought in Worthington and decided he was not the man. Employed Allen, let him sign a bundle of players (or at least some!) then after a few games pulled the trigger seemingly for non football reasons.

IF you were a Manager of some reputation, currently employed and fairly secure, would you want to come here given recent events?

I suppose money talks and of course there will be plenty of candidates of differing ability and experience willing to take their chances, but I am starting to wonder if Mandaric may have scared off a few decent candidates with his recent decisions?

[DB11]

Of course he will have scared off possible candidates that are currently employed. But ones that aren't, would just want the money. If they're sacked, they get a pay off regardless.

[dandannieldanok]

I'm starting to wonder if Mandaric has dug a hole for himself a bit over the Manager saga.

In the short time he's been here he has backed and sacked Kelly, brought in Worthington and decided he was not the man. Employed Allen, let him sign a bundle of players (or at least some!) then after a few games pulled the trigger seemingly for non football reasons.

IF you were a Manager of some reputation, currently employed and fairly secure, would you want to come here given recent events?

I suppose money talks and of course there will be plenty of candidates of differing ability and experience willing to take their chances, but I am starting to wonder if Mandaric may have scared off a few decent candidates with his recent decisions?

With his money I doubt he has a care in the world, I certainly wouldn't.

[josh_baskin]

At the end of the days its probably not normal business practice but its his club and if its what he feels is required to get us back in the premier league again i dont care who he upsets in the process to be honest, its all obviously been planned for some time.

[Smudge]

With his money I doubt he has a care in the world, I certainly wouldn't.

I don't necessarily agree, remember Maslo's pyramid, once all the fundamentals are acheived, self esteem (or ego) is near the top. Rich people still want recognition for acheivement.

[Lamby]

Should i send in my CV and try to become your manager?

[Daggers]

There's an awful lot of crap taking up space from "Even more sex" if you ask me...

[Smudge]

There's an awful lot of crap taking up space from "Even more sex" if you ask me...

Sounds like a whole new thread. Go on you can do it.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

I've never seen him in the bar, so can't say if he has a problem - but i think it would be best for you to leave it to himself and AA

[Geo V]

I'm starting to wonder if Mandaric has dug a hole for himself a bit over the Manager saga.

In the short time he's been here he has backed and sacked Kelly, brought in Worthington and decided he was not the man. Employed Allen, let him sign a bundle of players (or at least some!) then after a few games pulled the trigger seemingly for non football reasons.

IF you were a Manager of some reputation, currently employed and fairly secure, would you want to come here given recent events?

I suppose money talks and of course there will be plenty of candidates of differing ability and experience willing to take their chances, but I am starting to wonder if Mandaric may have scared off a few decent candidates with his recent decisions?

What is the average lifespan of a manager these days? I'm not sure of the answer but it isn't like it used to be. New managers come in and after a bad result or two are under pressure with people like Sammy Lee being a decent example this season. Then you get managers who get the sack for no apparent reasons apart from maybe the chairman wanting to freshen things up. Chris Coleman being an example there.

I think that people are using Milan Mandarics reputation to think that is exactly what has happened with us. I personally don't. The way I see it is he took over and had patience in giving RK a chance (I personally would have been ruthless and brought in my own man then and there, giving him more of a chance to get the squad ready for the new season). He then managed to persuade an experienced manager in Wortho, over to the club to dig us out of the shite and that went OK but Wortho would have had top have won most of his games and played free-flowing footy. On a selfish point of view it was a great move to "use" Wortho because without him and the way we were playing under RK, we may well have been relegated. He then hired one of teh brighter younger managers from the lower leagues and gave him about £5m to spend on transfer fees and signing-on fees for the Bosmans and after a short spell, for reasons that we can only speculate on, he saw that he wasnt up for managing a big Championship club.

I really don't see the problem with it to be honest and too many people have over-reacted. I also don't feel that a manager worth his salt isn't going to snap up the chance of being a Premiership manager in the future, especially one that is already unemployed or one that is at a club that just goes through the motions and sells its best players every season like say, Southampton.

MM has scared no-one other than the yellow bellied managers who want to come along with some kind of safety net that they will be given 5 years to succeed. For now its all about take the job, do well and stay. Fail and be prepared to get the sack.

[ASH17LCFC]

Think about it, all Milans millions he has and how much has he put in ? 1.6 on D.J and 750,000 on Clemence and the rest where free's. People where saying oh he's gonna put 8 to 9 million in and this and that but has he even spent more then 4 million on players this summer.

Maybe Milans a con

[Geo V]

Think about it, all Milans millions he has and how much has he put in ? 1.6 on D.J and 750,000 on Clemence and the rest where free's. People where saying oh he's gonna put 8 to 9 million in and this and that but has he even spent more then 4 million on players this summer.

Maybe Milans a con

Signing on players like Kaebi, Cort, Kishishev and others wont be free. There signing-on fees may be upward of £300-400k on some of them. God knows how much Fowlers would have been but the players earn plenty fo money out of bosman transfer deals. I think £4m would be a minimum that MM has outlayed this summer and he never said he would spend £9m in one season.

[Chrysalis]

What is the average lifespan of a manager these days? I'm not sure of the answer but it isn't like it used to be. New managers come in and after a bad result or two are under pressure with people like Sammy Lee being a decent example this season. Then you get managers who get the sack for no apparent reasons apart from maybe the chairman wanting to freshen things up. Chris Coleman being an example there.

I think that people are using Milan Mandarics reputation to think that is exactly what has happened with us. I personally don't. The way I see it is he took over and had patience in giving RK a chance (I personally would have been ruthless and brought in my own man then and there, giving him more of a chance to get the squad ready for the new season). He then managed to persuade an experienced manager in Wortho, over to the club to dig us out of the shite and that went OK but Wortho would have had top have won most of his games and played free-flowing footy. On a selfish point of view it was a great move to "use" Wortho because without him and the way we were playing under RK, we may well have been relegated. He then hired one of teh brighter younger managers from the lower leagues and gave him about £5m to spend on transfer fees and signing-on fees for the Bosmans and after a short spell, for reasons that we can only speculate on, he saw that he wasnt up for managing a big Championship club.

I really don't see the problem with it to be honest and too many people have over-reacted. I also don't feel that a manager worth his salt isn't going to snap up the chance of being a Premiership manager in the future, especially one that is already unemployed or one that is at a club that just goes through the motions and sells its best players every season like say, Southampton.

MM has scared no-one other than the yellow bellied managers who want to come along with some kind of safety net that they will be given 5 years to succeed. For now its all about take the job, do well and stay. Fail and be prepared to get the sack.

Excellent post, the only managers who need be worried are those who expect to be allowed a bad run for honeymoon periods etc.

[Mack]

I'm not so sure.

Any Manager worth a go would want a few games breathing space to get settled with the squad and surroundings.

Lets not forget for whoever takes the job it is their job and their income. They may have to move their family - kids from school etc to take over and if the Chairman is after their hide from the off it may put some off.

[Chrysalis]

I expect they would get a few games, I am talking about managers who expect it to be ok to not achieve their goal within a year and have a few months of bad results.

[Ultra]

I expect they would get a few games, I am talking about managers who expect it to be ok to not achieve their goal within a year and have a few months of bad results.

The point is that the last one didn't!

I wouldn't expect too many bosses with home and family commitments to risk the upheaval of a move to Leicester, knowing that they could be out of work within months if not weeks.

[Manwell Pablo]

What is the average lifespan of a manager these days? I'm not sure of the answer but it isn't like it used to be. New managers come in and after a bad result or two are under pressure with people like Sammy Lee being a decent example this season. Then you get managers who get the sack for no apparent reasons apart from maybe the chairman wanting to freshen things up. Chris Coleman being an example there.

I think that people are using Milan Mandarics reputation to think that is exactly what has happened with us. I personally don't. The way I see it is he took over and had patience in giving RK a chance (I personally would have been ruthless and brought in my own man then and there, giving him more of a chance to get the squad ready for the new season). He then managed to persuade an experienced manager in Wortho, over to the club to dig us out of the shite and that went OK but Wortho would have had top have won most of his games and played free-flowing footy. On a selfish point of view it was a great move to "use" Wortho because without him and the way we were playing under RK, we may well have been relegated. He then hired one of teh brighter younger managers from the lower leagues and gave him about £5m to spend on transfer fees and signing-on fees for the Bosmans and after a short spell, for reasons that we can only speculate on, he saw that he wasnt up for managing a big Championship club.

I really don't see the problem with it to be honest and too many people have over-reacted. I also don't feel that a manager worth his salt isn't going to snap up the chance of being a Premiership manager in the future, especially one that is already unemployed or one that is at a club that just goes through the motions and sells its best players every season like say, Southampton.

MM has scared no-one other than the yellow bellied managers who want to come along with some kind of safety net that they will be given 5 years to succeed. For now its all about take the job, do well and stay. Fail and be prepared to get the sack.

EH? I didn't reply to this (well obviously I am now after seeing a post appear from nowhere) I think it's the website that has a problem not Madaric.

[Ric Flair]

The point is that the last one didn't!

I wouldn't expect too many bosses with home and family commitments to risk the upheaval of a move to Leicester, knowing that they could be out of work within months if not weeks.

Depends on whether managers believe the media or not. Mandaric has given some very crap managers time to prove themselves. The Martin Allen incident has been a one off, he's not sacked any other managers that quickly before. Worthington was only ever going to be temporary and Nob Kelly wasn't his choice anyway.

He even gave Graham Rix over a year!!!

I think when managers meet with Mandaric they are impressed with him, I still don't think he's shot himself in the foot by getting rid of Allen. I'm yet to see any manager that Milan Mandaric has sacked that's gone on to prove it was a mistake. That though, p[erhaps suggests because he always appoints crap managers!

[Zingari]

he sounds like he'd sack a manager after a couple of bad "pools panel" results

[Ultra]

I think when managers meet with Mandaric they are impressed with him, I still don't think he's shot himself in the foot by getting rid of Allen. I'm yet to see any manager that Milan Mandaric has sacked that's gone on to prove it was a mistake. That though, perhaps suggests because he always appoints crap managers!

It's a two-way process. Mandaric seemed euphoric in the media and at the open evening about landing Allen. What happened to change that view so quickly and so drastically is something only the chairman can explain.

And Alain Perrin is in the Champions League with Lyon, so may be a better manager than his experience of working under Mandaric suggests.

[Ric Flair]

It's a two-way process. Mandaric seemed euphoric about landing Allen in the media and at the open evening. What happened to change that view is something only the chairman can explain.

And Alain Perrin is in the Champions League with Lyon, so may be a better manager than his experience of working under Mandaric suggests.

Perrin is a good manager, i'd forgot about him. I could never work out why he failed so miserably at Portsmouth, I suppose some managers just don't get it right at times. Especially in a different country. He made some horrible signings though, perhaps they were Mandaric signings? I'm sure there will be people who think that.

There has obviously been something quite serious that happened with Martin Allen for him to leave, and anyone who thinks it's a case of a minor difference of opinion is very naive.

[surrifox]

Chemistry is very important in business relationships, there is generally only room for one big swinging dick, if that is what MM thinks then he is likely to be looking for a more diffident and low profile manager

[Geo V]

I'm not so sure.

Any Manager worth a go would want a few games breathing space to get settled with the squad and surroundings.

Lets not forget for whoever takes the job it is their job and their income. They may have to move their family - kids from school etc to take over and if the Chairman is after their hide from the off it may put some off.

If someone offered me a contract for say 2 years and decided to tell me to go after 4 weeks, I`d take it. I would know that I would have made some easy money in the deal and I wouldn't sign any contract with a clause that allows the chairman to sack me with a small pay-off.

Anyway, I think we are harboring on MA`s dismissal too long. I think in the months and years to come the truth will come out but its obvious that the decision that MM made was based in what he saw in pre-season and how he interacted with everyone at the club and not just results based. Milan will have high standards having worked with someone like Harry Redknapp who is a wheeler dealer who has plenty of contacts as his transfer deals prove and he is also the type of manager that has convinced some quality bosmans to his club where most of us sat up and thought, "how did he get them?". Players like David James, Sol Campbell and Lauren spring to mind. He may want someone similar and was so unimpressed with MA that he made his decision to get rid before things go too bad and our season was over. That doesn't mean he will sack the next manager after 4 games though and thats the main point. Lets not think he`ll do that to everyone who comes in to the club.

[Chrysalis]

The point is that the last one didn't!

I wouldn't expect too many bosses with home and family commitments to risk the upheaval of a move to Leicester, knowing that they could be out of work within months if not weeks.

The last one wasnt sacked based on results so its irrelevant.

[Thracian]

If someone offered me a contract for say 2 years and decided to tell me to go after 4 weeks, I`d take it. I would know that I would have made some easy money in the deal and I wouldn't sign any contract with a clause that allows the chairman to sack me with a small pay-off.

Anyway, I think we are harboring on MA`s dismissal too long. I think in the months and years to come the truth will come out but its obvious that the decision that MM made was based in what he saw in pre-season and how he interacted with everyone at the club and not just results based. Milan will have high standards having worked with someone like Harry Redknapp who is a wheeler dealer who has plenty of contacts as his transfer deals prove and he is also the type of manager that has convinced some quality bosmans to his club where most of us sat up and thought, "how did he get them?". Players like David James, Sol Campbell and Lauren spring to mind. He may want someone similar and was so unimpressed with MA that he made his decision to get rid before things go too bad and our season was over. That doesn't mean he will sack the next manager after 4 games though and thats the main point. Lets not think he`ll do that to everyone who comes in to the club.

But it does. At least it is perfectly possible.

MM has gone through so many managers of various styles and temperaments in such a short time that it is perfectly clear he is exactly the sort who would find fault and sack someone short term rather than work to solve the problems. He's even said he'd change 20 managers if necessary. So why should anyone think of him any differently?

Truth is he should examine himself.

There are many qualities MM seems short of such as loyalty, integrity and the ability to assess people.

But worst of all, to use an American phrase, he has no code.