The Holloway Bandwagon

[CupidStunt]

Fair enough. What are the chances

The chances of you getting a job ahead of them lot?...hehehe,about zero

You've got more chance of george best becoming your next manager.

If MM wants Ian hollowhead of whatever his name is,then he will come

Leicester city is too good of an oppurtunity to turn down IMO,even though we are shit atm

[Head Honcho]

They wouldn't have bothered with Plymouth either if your houses weren't flanked by warships, military garrisons and strategically important docks.

In truth the area would be quite attractive but for Plymouth standing like a festering sore on the edge of its magnificent maritime face.

As for the town's rebuilding I saw some of it a week or two back and, having just come from Cornwall, couldn't get out of the place fast enough. Now, when the weathermen talk about a depression I always imagine it coming from Plymouth.

Don't think you can see The Barbican or much of Plymouth for that matter from the A38 but you should get down the Barbican at least-if only for the many pints of real ale you can savour down there

[PAFC]

Clearly some people like to live in concrete shitholes. Im not judging ...

[MADLEVEIN]

im having my two-pence worth... i like this thread.

pukka pies are from leicestershire they are loads better than that ginsters crap.

thats it , i cant think of anything else worthy to mention other than you could fit plymouths ground behind the goal at the walkers.

[Finnegan]

Clearly some people like to live in concrete shitholes. Im not judging ...

I wouldn't actually mind if you were talking a lick of sense. Have you ever BEEN to Leicester?

Look. I support the football club but I'm not from Leicester, I'm Welsh, to me "a big town" is seventy eight people, five sheep and six pubs. However, you're talking a load of arse.

I've just got back to Leicester after two years living in London. THAT is a concrete shithole. Leicester? Alright, so the people aren't the most upmarket, country happy-happy; it's a city center not the home counties; but if Leicester's a "concrete shithole" you've obviously never been to Manchester!

[PAFC]

All I need do is say, League Table. Says it all.

I wouldn't actually mind if you were talking a lick of sense. Have you ever BEEN to Leicester?

Look. I support the football club but I'm not from Leicester, I'm Welsh, to me "a big town" is seventy eight people, five sheep and six pubs. However, you're talking a load of arse.

I've just got back to Leicester after two years living in London. THAT is a concrete shithole. Leicester? Alright, so the people aren't the most upmarket, country happy-happy; it's a city center not the home counties; but if Leicester's a "concrete shithole" you've obviously never been to Manchester!

Yes Manchester is shit.

[Finnegan]

All I need do is say, League Table. Says it all.

Uhm. Yes, that's sort of WHY we're trying to poach your manager. What exactly IS your point?

I'm not going to spend pages arguing with an attention seeking wind up merchant, I do that enough with our own fans. But answer me this:

Do you honestly believe your club is a better prospect for a manager? You've no prestige, a cack stadium, a smaller fanbase, a smaller POTENTIAL fanbase, less money, likely offer less wages, have no Premiership pedigree of backing from a Premiership-experienced chairman and you don't have Filbert the focking Fox.

I don't give a monkeys arse how "soulless" it is to discuss football in financial terms but that's life, live with it.

[WetFlannel]

Uhm. Yes, that's sort of WHY we're trying to poach your manager. What exactly IS your point?

I'm not going to spend pages arguing with an attention seeking wind up merchant, I do that enough with our own fans. But answer me this:

Do you honestly believe your club is a better prospect for a manager? You've no prestige, a cack stadium, a smaller fanbase, a smaller POTENTIAL fanbase, less money, likely offer less wages, have no Premiership pedigree of backing from a Premiership-experienced chairman and you don't have Filbert the focking Fox.

I don't give a monkeys arse how "soulless" it is to discuss football in financial terms but that's life, live with it.

[MADLEVEIN]

link apologies if this has been posted already

link dont work here it is ...http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1786_2892891,00.html

[Scow]

All I need do is say, League Table. Says it all.

You're a full 7 points (with one more game played) ahead of us after 16 games. It means nothing at this stage.

[PAFC]

Its not my fault that these topics are getting good due to a rival teams fan.

Ollie is staying cause Mandaric is a complete ****. He should have kept Allen.

[Kilworthfox]

Its not my fault that these topics are getting good due to a rival teams fan.

Ollie is staying cause Mandaric is a complete ****. He should have kept Allen.

Maybe you are right!

[Daggers]

Typical. Someones says something you don't agree with and you resort to calling them ignorant.

If you post like a lobotomised gimp then don't be surprised when someone calls you out on your all-too-evident stupidity.

One only needs to look at what he has achieved on minimum resources, combined with his passionate afirmation for the heart of the game, to understand that he is a genuine person and not some jumped up Allen-cokehead that you appear to still be fond of.

Looking through your posts was a brief experience, confirming an absence of thought - really, if you are going to have a huffy fit then at least have an opinion beyond "I think it will be Dowie".

So, give us a giggle then gimp-boy ~ who should MM have appointed?

[hollowaystays]

Uhm. Yes, that's sort of WHY we're trying to poach your manager. What exactly IS your point?

I'm not going to spend pages arguing with an attention seeking wind up merchant, I do that enough with our own fans. But answer me this:

Do you honestly believe your club is a better prospect for a manager? You've no prestige, a cack stadium, a smaller fanbase, a smaller POTENTIAL fanbase, less money, likely offer less wages, have no Premiership pedigree of backing from a Premiership-experienced chairman and you don't have Filbert the focking Fox.

I don't give a monkeys arse how "soulless" it is to discuss football in financial terms but that's life, live with it.

sorry but thats absolute horses&it.Yes we havent got the stadium yet but to say you have a bigger potential than us is ludicrous.Youve been as far as you can go as a club,been in the premier,won the cups,got into europe,etc etc.Youve been able to grow your fanbase over years spent in the top flight which weve never had.We have an entire area of the country to tap into if were ever successful and if we had a new stadium like yours,and had your premiership pedigree,wed match your 20,000 crowds wtih ease.Infact,before you moved from filbert street your attendances were often short of capacity there and back in april 2002(not that long ago)with you playing at home in the premiership and us playing at home in the old 4th division,guess who got the bigger crowd?

[Bert]

sorry but thats absolute horses&it.Yes we havent got the stadium yet but to say you have a bigger potential than us is ludicrous.Youve been as far as you can go as a club,been in the premier,won the cups,got into europe,etc etc.Youve been able to grow your fanbase over years spent in the top flight which weve never had.We have an entire area of the country to tap into if were ever successful and if we had a new stadium like yours,and had your premiership pedigree,wed match your 20,000 crowds wtih ease.Infact,before you moved from filbert street your attendances were often short of capacity there and back in april 2002(not that long ago)with you playing at home in the premiership and us playing at home in the old 4th division,guess who got the bigger crowd?

It's all true though, and we're going back there soon as well! Where are you going? To get another fockin Ginsters, that's where.

You'll never be in the premiership, you'll never be a bigger club than us either.

You say about our attendances at Filbert St. What about yours at Home Park? Of course you're going to attract more fans at a newer, bigger and better (Looking) stadium.

[Finnegan]

Your argument is "you haven't done it yet, so you've more potential to do it again?"

Are you ACTUALLY insane? And potential fan base? You have an entire, immensely un-densely populated area of the country to draw a fan base on. Congratulations. We have a city, the largest city in the East-Midlands (yes, not Nottingham, there's a little known fact for you!) And a county.

I am not claiming Leicester a gigantic club. Some of our fans are idiots, real idiots, they'll have you believe we're as big as Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton or some toss - I'm not one of those people. But in all potential fields in which you could compare the "size" and "grandeur" of a club, Leicester City Football Club dwarfs Plymouth Argyle. Any other claim is a claim of madness, I'm sorry.

I'm pretty sure if you go back to your fan forum and ask the MATURE, SENSIBLE people on the board - they'll be all too happy to concur. Holloway himself admitted it when people like Bzuasky (sp?) left.

[Bert]

I think he should change his name to Hollowaygoes. Because he's seriously been owned in this thread.

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

Anyone posted this yet?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1779

[hollowaystays]

Your argument is "you haven't done it yet, so you've more potential to do it again?"

Are you ACTUALLY insane? And potential fan base? You have an entire, immensely un-densely populated area of the country to draw a fan base on. Congratulations. We have a city, the largest city in the East-Midlands (yes, not Nottingham, there's a little known fact for you!) And a county.

I am not claiming Leicester a gigantic club. Some of our fans are idiots, real idiots, they'll have you believe we're as big as Tottenham, Newcastle, Everton or some toss - I'm not one of those people. But in all potential fields in which you could compare the "size" and "grandeur" of a club, Leicester City Football Club dwarfs Plymouth Argyle. Any other claim is a claim of madness, I'm sorry.

I'm pretty sure if you go back to your fan forum and ask the MATURE, SENSIBLE people on the board - they'll be all too happy to concur. Holloway himself admitted it when people like Bzuasky (sp?) left.

currently im not denying that though to be fair if wed drawn tottenham hotspur in the fa cup wed be able to push 40-45,000 tickets as our latent "potential" always pops out the woodwork when the big clubs come to the south west once in a blue moon.You had about 10,000 empty seats that day didnt you?Thats the point i was disagreeing with,you said you had more "potential" and you clearly dont,we have much further to go in terms of where we havent yet been.Youve already done your "zenith" time,a few years back when you were high up in the premier league with a top manager,qualifying for europe,winning league cups etc.Youre never going to be any more than youve already been,thats the point.Argyle have never touched the top league and as soon as we get a sniff of success down here,people start wanting to come.Even the absolute non-achievement of winning promotion from the FOURTH division a few years back was witnessed by a bigger crowd at Home park than were at Filbert street watching you in the premiership take on your local rivals and a major club in english football,Aston Villa.Thats a fact and speaks volumes about the respective clubs potential.Not having a new 21st century multi-purpose stadium means we cant attract the "new" type of fan and families that you picked up when moving into yours as have the likes of Hull city and Coventry city who this season get 21,000s when they were barely getting 13s at highfiled road.To recap,i dont deny for a second you are and have been the bigger club but i will never accept we couldnt be everything you are and more if we got the right backing on and off the pitch and had a first real taste of success.

[Finnegan]

Ych y fi. Wall of text. Ok a few points and these shall be my last:

1. Admittedly, you have to trawl back more than a decade or so but Leicester have had successes beyond Martin O'Neill. We're not a club with a history like Forest, Man Yoo, 'Pewl, Leeds or the like but we've never been below the top two divisions and have had regular trips up the Premier League / Old First Division and FA Cup Final.

2. Claiming you've more "potential" to get into the Premier League and succeed there because you've never done it before and "we've had our hay-day" is nonsensical and no-one with a sane mind will agree with you.

3. Our respective attendances are both the result of our current situations and will both fluctuate accordingly. What I mean by this is, we're currently getting what we consider poor gates because the club has been through years and years of shit before Mandaric's take over and things still aren't hunky dory. Yourselves, respectively, are doing in contrast about the best you've ever done and still get - what? 18, 19k in Home Park? Does it even hold that much? I can't remember.

Unless things REALLY fall apart, our attendances can only go up. Yours, in all honesty, are more likely to decline then rise. We have multi-million pound backing, you can't even keep a fairly average championship talent like Buzsaky from wandering his eyes elsewhere. What does that say about the funding and potential scope for Plymouth? How far are you seriously going, here? Football is - sadly - about money, we're getting it - you aren't.

I like Plymouth, I really do, it's a great little club and I've had a soft spot for you since I was a kid ('cos you play in green, tbh) but just cut out the "zomg our club is bigger dan yrs!" stuff because it's daft. I can JUST about take it from Leeds scum. From you lot it's laughable.

[The Reverend]

currently im not denying that though to be fair if wed drawn tottenham hotspur in the fa cup wed be able to push 40-45,000 tickets as our latent "potential" always pops out the woodwork when the big clubs come to the south west once in a blue moon.You had about 10,000 empty seats that day didnt you?Thats the point i was disagreeing with,you said you had more "potential" and you clearly dont,we have much further to go in terms of where we havent yet been.Youve already done your "zenith" time,a few years back when you were high up in the premier league with a top manager,qualifying for europe,winning league cups etc.Youre never going to be any more than youve already been,thats the point.Argyle have never touched the top league and as soon as we get a sniff of success down here,people start wanting to come.Even the absolute non-achievement of winning promotion from the FOURTH division a few years back was witnessed by a bigger crowd at Home park than were at Filbert street watching you in the premiership take on your local rivals and a major club in english football,Aston Villa.Thats a fact and speaks volumes about the respective clubs potential.Not having a new 21st century multi-purpose stadium means we cant attract the "new" type of fan and families that you picked up when moving into yours as have the likes of Hull city and Coventry city who this season get 21,000s when they were barely getting 13s at highfiled road.To recap,i dont deny for a second you are and have been the bigger club but i will never accept we couldnt be everything you are and more if we got the right backing on and off the pitch and had a first real taste of success.

Same thing goes for Accrington Stanley mate. No-one likes it when their teams doin crap, and when their doin well the part timers come out.

If we were in the Prem now, doin well say top 10, we would probably sell out the Walkers every week.

You wouldnt do that (even at Home Park). Simple as, so im afraid i have to disagree.

[Manwell Pablo]

sorry but thats absolute horses&it.Yes we havent got the stadium yet but to say you have a bigger potential than us is ludicrous.Youve been as far as you can go as a club,been in the premier,won the cups,got into europe,etc etc.Youve been able to grow your fanbase over years spent in the top flight which weve never had.We have an entire area of the country to tap into if were ever successful and if we had a new stadium like yours,and had your premiership pedigree,wed match your 20,000 crowds wtih ease.Infact,before you moved from filbert street your attendances were often short of capacity there and back in april 2002(not that long ago)with you playing at home in the premiership and us playing at home in the old 4th division,guess who got the bigger crowd?

erf tomorrow at work is going to be fun.

and sorry, but you drove me to this "Holloway stays honest".

Listen, you silly southren goon, your club is S****horpe, you club is ****ing Torquey with a bit of luck, your club is miles away from anywhere. Close to Leicester there is Loughboro, Hinckley, Northampton, Kettering (these are all places we have a good fanbase) even places like Coalville and Market Harbourer are twice as big as anything within 30 minutes of Plymouth. Then you take into consideration that Leicesters Urban area is almost twice that of Plymouths, your potential fanbase is a ****ing fraction compared to ours. This is just talking populous. We'd fill home park every week.

Then you, yourself go onto to talk about the fact we've been in the Premier League, the fact we've been in Europe, the fact we've won cups, and it's not often I get to say this, even to other fellow Championship clubs. But what in have you ever won, League fuking one, once. Well done, thats not a counter arguement for one of the reasons why we're a bigger club than you, it's one of the main reasons why exactly we are a bigger club than you, your biggest achievent as a (poxy) football club is winning a division we've never even been relegated to.

Look at our ground, it's bigger than yours, look at our bank balance, it's bigger than yours, look at our ambition, it's bigger than yours, even though we've underachieved for nearly half a decade.

Also, in your own honest opinion, can you ever see anyone doing anything but laughing at the prospect of a Leicester City manager leaving for Plymouth Argyle to further his career as anything but laughable. Jesus.

I don't even think Holloway would even be that gooder appointment but you, sunshine, need to take your head out of your arse and start looking at the facts. We are a bigger club than you, We have (and there is no doubt in this) always been a bigger club than you, and baring you getting a flunky promotion and a board that will actually inject some cash, we will always be a bigger club than you.

EDIT: Also, you sold more tickets than us once in the past 6 years, we were getting battered every week paying 25 quid to watch a losing team, you were probabley paying a tenner to watcha winning team. Means nothing.

[Bert]

currently im not denying that though to be fair if wed drawn tottenham hotspur in the fa cup wed be able to push 40-45,000 tickets as our latent "potential" always pops out the woodwork when the big clubs come to the south west once in a blue moon.You had about 10,000 empty seats that day didnt you?Thats the point i was disagreeing with,you said you had more "potential" and you clearly dont,we have much further to go in terms of where we havent yet been.Youve already done your "zenith" time,a few years back when you were high up in the premier league with a top manager,qualifying for europe,winning league cups etc.Youre never going to be any more than youve already been,thats the point.Argyle have never touched the top league and as soon as we get a sniff of success down here,people start wanting to come.Even the absolute non-achievement of winning promotion from the FOURTH division a few years back was witnessed by a bigger crowd at Home park than were at Filbert street watching you in the premiership take on your local rivals and a major club in english football,Aston Villa.Thats a fact and speaks volumes about the respective clubs potential.Not having a new 21st century multi-purpose stadium means we cant attract the "new" type of fan and families that you picked up when moving into yours as have the likes of Hull city and Coventry city who this season get 21,000s when they were barely getting 13s at highfiled road.To recap,i dont deny for a second you are and have been the bigger club but i will never accept we couldnt be everything you are and more if we got the right backing on and off the pitch and had a first real taste of success.

That really shows how much you know.

Also, since the all seating laws, you can only fill the amount of your capacity mate.

We do have more potential than you because of what we've achieved in the past 10 years. Would we have had a new stadium if we were doing so well in the premiership?(at the time when we reasonably established) No. You may be higher than us in the league, but we'll always have more potential than you, because we can attract the bigger players. Why? Because this club has Premiership potential. Plymouth, doesn't.

Just look at Stephen Clemence for example. He wouldn't have thought twice about moving to Plymouth.

[hollowaystays]

Ych y fi. Wall of text. Ok a few points and these shall be my last:

1. Admittedly, you have to trawl back more than a decade or so but Leicester have had successes beyond Martin O'Neill. We're not a club with a history like Forest, Man Yoo, 'Pewl, Leeds or the like but we've never been below the top two divisions and have had regular trips up the Premier League / Old First Division and FA Cup Final.

2. Claiming you've more "potential" to get into the Premier League and succeed there because you've never done it before and "we've had our hay-day" is nonsensical and no-one with a sane mind will agree with you.

3. Our respective attendances are both the result of our current situations and will both fluctuate accordingly. What I mean by this is, we're currently getting what we consider poor gates because the club has been through years and years of shit before Mandaric's take over and things still aren't hunky dory. Yourselves, respectively, are doing in contrast about the best you've ever done and still get - what? 18, 19k in Home Park? Does it even hold that much? I can't remember.

Unless things REALLY fall apart, our attendances can only go up. Yours, in all honesty, are more likely to decline then rise. We have multi-million pound backing, you can't even keep a fairly average championship talent like Buzsaky from wandering his eyes elsewhere. What does that say about the funding and potential scope for Plymouth? How far are you seriously going, here? Football is - sadly - about money, we're getting it - you aren't.

I like Plymouth, I really do, it's a great little club and I've had a soft spot for you since I was a kid ('cos you play in green, tbh) but just cut out the "zomg our club is bigger dan yrs!" stuff because it's daft. I can JUST about take it from Leeds scum. From you lot it's laughable.

i do maintain that it matters tht we havent broken that new ground of getting into the 1st flight of english football yes.It would be a major thing for a 121 year old club to make that leap for the first time-ask Reading,12,000 to seee them start their championship winning season(v argyle incidently who won and hd over 4,000 at the majdeski)and now getting 23,25k in the premier and now ready to exapnd to 38k.IT IS INDEED all about money and if we ever get lucky and get that major investment,we can go alot further than ever before.Nothing can be laughable from a club that sends thousands of fans to all parts of the country to follow argyle like it does.No other club in the land gets complimented on the sheer force and numbers we have at places further from our home than most cities in france are from us.Our away following isnt betterd by ANY club in this nation and i mean any club in terms of loyalty and numbers for the league and lack of success weve been in or had at any point in our history.One things for sure,we ll only know weve got to where we should be when we cease to be patronized by fans of clubs who couldnt even fill their 22,000 ground out on a regular basis in the premiership.

[Bert]

i do maintain that it matters tht we havent broken that new ground of getting into the 1st flight of english football yes.It would be a major thing for a 121 year old club to make that leap for the first time-ask Reading,12,000 to seee them start their championship winning season(v argyle incidently who won and hd over 4,000 at the majdeski)and now getting 23,25k in the premier and now ready to exapnd to 38k.IT IS INDEED all about money and if we ever get lucky and get that major investment,we can go alot further than ever before.Nothing can be laughable from a club that sends thousands of fans to all parts of the country to follow argyle like it does.No other club in the land gets complimented on the sheer force and numbers we have at places further from our home than most cities in france are from us.Our away following isnt betterd by ANY club in this nation and i mean any club in terms of loyalty and numbers for the league and lack of success weve been in or had at any point in our history.One things for sure,we ll only know weve got to where we should be when we cease to be patronized by fans of clubs who couldnt even fill their 22,000 ground out on a regular basis in the premiership.

Whose going to want to Invest in Plymouth though?