Thracian Posted 19 November 2007 Author Posted 19 November 2007 I just don't get any of this Kaebi business.OK, he comes and we're all very excited about it. He's touted as one of the most promising right backs in the world, got over 50 caps for his country after making his debut at 16 and he's joining us, Leicester City, in the Championship. Great right? Not it seems. I don't understand, how can a player so promisingly talked about as him only manage to make 15 minutes of first team football for a Championship club? If he's not fit, why? He's been here long enough to get match fit. If he's not "language ready" then why? If he's not good enough then why sign him in the first place? On that note, I don't really buy that he's not good enough. I've only seen him play for the same amount of time as most people but from what we all hear it sounds like he should be more than good enough for this level of football. He can't even budge Richard Stearman out of the team at wing back. What's going on? I've no idea why he was signed unless it were with the long term intention of developing him as an attacking midfielder. I know it's hard for you to accept but 50 caps or not he has not shown himself good enough for the first team - either ahead of Stearman, James Chambers, Bruno N'Gotty or, doubtless even Darren Kenton. So far from the six times I've seen him play I'd rate him a collective 4.5/5 out of 10 and that's from playing all but 15 minutes in the reserves. At no time has he rate higher than 6/10.
filbertway Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 That's weak, he's not even had a go in the first team, he can't leave without having a go. A proper go I mean, not a 10 minute cameo.
Thracian Posted 19 November 2007 Author Posted 19 November 2007 That's weak, he's not even had a go in the first team, he can't leave without having a go.A proper go I mean, not a 10 minute cameo. Why not give Billy McKay, Jonathan Hayes, Billy Kee and Eric Odhiambo a go while we're at it or Andy King some more goes? How about recalling Louis Dodds and asking how Max Gradel's fixed. All probably deserve it for their efforts so far but if we're onto others who've done alright why not Ric Sappleton or Sergio Hellings cos I'd say they were ahead of Kaebi in the player ratings? What is our first team coming to? Last season we pulled Danny Cadamarteri off the street for a game or two. Now there's this campaign for Kaebi. What about Babylon? He could do with a break?
Joe. Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 All probably deserve it for their efforts so far but if we're onto others who've done alright why not Ric Sappleton or Sergio Hellings cos I'd say they were ahead of Kaebi in the player ratings? Damn right.
sdb Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Indeed.Never have I known so many to push for someone to be included in our first team who offered so little evidence of deserving it. YOU did not just say that! The hypocracy is making my blood boil!!!!!!!!!!
filbertway Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Why not give Billy McKay, Jonathan Hayes, Billy Kee and Eric Odhiambo a go while we're at it or Andy King some more goes?How about recalling Louis Dodds and asking how Max Gradel's fixed. All probably deserve it for their efforts so far but if we're onto others who've done alright why not Ric Sappleton or Sergio Hellings cos I'd say they were ahead of Kaebi in the player ratings? What is our first team coming to? Last season we pulled Danny Cadamarteri off the street for a game or two. Now there's this campaign for Kaebi. What about Babylon? He could do with a break? Cada's looked a decent player to me. We've brought Kaebi from half way around the world why not give him a go, would be gutting if he turned out for a prem team in a few seasons time and we hand't given him a chance in the first team. All the above you mentioned I'm sure will get there chance before they leave, with the exception of Dodd's, no one seems to like him.
sdb Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Why not give Billy McKay, Jonathan Hayes, Billy Kee and Eric Odhiambo a go while we're at it or Andy King some more goes?How about recalling Louis Dodds and asking how Max Gradel's fixed. All probably deserve it for their efforts so far but if we're onto others who've done alright why not Ric Sappleton or Sergio Hellings cos I'd say they were ahead of Kaebi in the player ratings? What is our first team coming to? Last season we pulled Danny Cadamarteri off the street for a game or two. Now there's this campaign for Kaebi. What about Babylon? He could do with a break? King obviously didn't do enough to impress. I think we should leave Dodds to continue setting League 2 alight.
Thracian Posted 19 November 2007 Author Posted 19 November 2007 King obviously didn't do enough to impress. I think we should leave Dodds to continue setting League 2 alight. I think King impressed everyone of consequence at the club.
Koke Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 King hasn't really put a foot wrong. Obviously you cant expect the kid to work miracles, but his general play has been OK for a rookie.
Thracian Posted 19 November 2007 Author Posted 19 November 2007 YOU did not just say that! The hypocracy is making my blood boil!!!!!!!!!! So who have I pushed to have a chance who didn't deserve one?
sdb Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 So who have I pushed to have a chance who didn't deserve one? Hammond, King, Porter (debatable imo), Dawson, O'Grady, Dodds, Beswick, Garner, Rowe-Turner, Hellings, Logan, Tuttle, De Vries, ... no one. you know all.
Bryn Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Inevitable. I figured we'd be seeing articles like this sometime soon. A shame, it would have been nice for him to get a chance. Yet another embarrassing chapter in the circus that is our club.
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Ironically, it was reaction to your original comment about Worthington that checked me from saying exactly the same about Kaebi, but after three appearances instead of one.a) There's no pleasing you. Even if I listen you moan. b) Doesn't mean I wouldn't have been right on both counts, and about Kelly on the day he started as manager with his idea of total footbaling entertainment. As for sometone else's comment elsewhere about Kaebi coming back to haunt us, no chance. If he's not proved himself in English conditions for us there virtually no chance he'll do it for another Championship side or better and there's no chance he'd drop down further in English football. That means he'll go back to playing abroad, as the latest article suggests and as I've mentioned on here at least twice. Or maybe its the inability of a poor reserve coach who keeps playing him in positions which are alien to him. Great idea lets get a lad who doesnt talk the language eat the food understand the conditions and stick him left back.Genius! I dont know how long steve beaglehole has been reserve coach but the fact that so many promising youngster have turned out to be cack once they get into our first team proves their must be something wrong with the way we do things once they leave the reserves He is still a relatively young lad who should have been given his chance on the RIGHT more often before our coaches decided he was shite.
AyewJoking Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Farewell Kaebi I'll miss your dazzling runs down the wing. I think we should retire the number 13 shirt......................unless Elvis wants it.
Rich Fox Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Ive read through all the Kaebi posts on here and there is a lot of woffle being talked,to say kaebi isnt good enouh for this leicester side must be an insult to him and iranian football for that matter when we have crap like Stearman in our side. Ive seen a lot of our acadamy players and ime not that impressed they dont seem able to control the ball.The reason kaebi isnt being considered for selection is because were a eam of hoofers and plodders and he does not fit into our way of playing . Now we might as well close the thread.
Thracian Posted 19 November 2007 Author Posted 19 November 2007 Ive read through all the Kaebi posts on here and there is a lot of woffle being talked,to say kaebi isnt good enouh for this leicester side must be an insult to him and iranian football for that matter when we have crap like Stearman in our side. Ive seen a lot of our acadamy players and ime not that impressed they dont seem able to control the ball.The reason kaebi isnt being considered for selection is because were a eam of hoofers and plodders and he does not fit into our way of playing . Now we might as well close the thread. Kaebi and co, as Leicester City Reserves, lost 3-1 in the cup against Hinckley tonight. The Reserves, with Kaebi as a defender, are regularly shipping far too many goals and tonight was no different. Bearing in mind the first team hit Hinckley for six I think that paints the picture fairly accurately.
Wezleylowski Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Kaebi and co, as Leicester City Reserves, lost 3-1 in the cup against Hinckley tonight. The Reserves, with Kaebi as a defender, are regularly shipping far too many goals and tonight was no different. Bearing in mind the first team hit Hinckley for six I think that paints the picture fairly accurately. TBF to Kaebi he was playing left back, and in the rain tonight. Do you honestly think him playing right back for the first team when they played Hinckley would have resulted in the first team losing? It probably wouldnt have made a difference at all, apart from we would have looked more threatening going forward.
reynard Posted 19 November 2007 Posted 19 November 2007 Seems a shame if true that we cannot get the best out of a player ranked in the top 20 best young players in the world at the last world cup. It really is hard to believe he can be worse than the utter garbage we have suffered on the right side of midfield for the last 3 seasons.
Thracian Posted 20 November 2007 Author Posted 20 November 2007 TBF to Kaebi he was playing left back, and in the rain tonight. Do you honestly think him playing right back for the first team when they played Hinckley would have resulted in the first team losing? It probably wouldnt have made a difference at all, apart from we would have looked more threatening going forward. He had a fairly free role tonight - and I certainly don't think his playing left-back affected his performance at all. It wasn't the going forward but that was his problem. Defensively Kaebi is pushed off the ball far too easily, people seem to get behind him too easily and when crosses come over to his post he's vulnerable. I've also noticed that when things go a bit wrong he starts to give silly fouls away. All these things would be costly in a Championship match. As would his questionable stamina cos he looked all in after about 70 minutes tonight. Not that he was the only one. Conditions didn't make it easier but they were the same for both sides and I thought Hinckley were fitter, stronger, just as fast to the ball and in the end we all but surrendered. Had that been my team I'd have been ashamed of our fitness levels tonight. A neutral would probably have thought it was City who were the part timers.
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 20 November 2007 Posted 20 November 2007 TBF to Kaebi he was playing left back, and in the rain tonight. Do you honestly think him playing right back for the first team when they played Hinckley would have resulted in the first team losing? It probably wouldnt have made a difference at all, apart from we would have looked more threatening going forward. How inconsiderate of the weather. Doesn't it know that he was once ranked one of the top twenty young players in the world? We just do not deserve Hossein if we are going to make him play in the wet.
eaststandtom Posted 20 November 2007 Posted 20 November 2007 Ive read through all the Kaebi posts on here and there is a lot of woffle being talked,to say kaebi isnt good enouh for this leicester side must be an insult to him and iranian football for that matter when we have crap like Stearman in our side. Ive seen a lot of our acadamy players and ime not that impressed they dont seem able to control the ball.The reason kaebi isnt being considered for selection is because were a eam of hoofers and plodders and he does not fit into our way of playing . Now we might as well close the thread. hang on, i have been very disappointed with richard stearman for a few months but to dismiss him as 'crap' is wrong i feel. he is clearly suffering a big dip in form. compared to his early performances, which for a 17 and 18 year old were outstanding, he is suffering a dip but lets give him a chance to redeem himself. he is still only 20 and could play a big part of city teams in the future. preferably as a centre half. all players have these lulls in form. elliot had it when taylor first came to leicester, walsh had about 4 years of poor form until brian little came to leicester. these are big leicester names. who is to say stearman cant improve and find his feet and become a player like that. he is still young and those guys were late 20's at least before they came into their own they might nuke us if we dont pick kaebi even if he is crap
Thracian Posted 20 November 2007 Author Posted 20 November 2007 hang on, i have been very disappointed with richard stearman for a few months but to dismiss him as 'crap' is wrong i feel.he is clearly suffering a big dip in form. compared to his early performances, which for a 17 and 18 year old were outstanding, he is suffering a dip but lets give him a chance to redeem himself. he is still only 20 and could play a big part of city teams in the future. preferably as a centre half. all players have these lulls in form. elliot had it when taylor first came to leicester, walsh had about 4 years of poor form until brian little came to leicester. these are big leicester names. who is to say stearman cant improve and find his feet and become a player like that. he is still young and those guys were late 20's at least before they came into their own they might nuke us if we dont pick kaebi even if he is crap A good part of the criticism aimed at Stearman is there because people have their own agendas and either want James Chambers or Kaebi installed. Indeed, I believe myself that Chambers should have his chance to starty at right back. Stearman's distribution and attacking drive don't seem to be quite what they were but make no mistake, the lad has still played an important role in a defence that, while it may have been reinforced, has still conceded less than a goal a game. That, for a side which attacks so little, is highly creditable. That doesn't mean we should ignore a potential chance to do even better and I think Chambers has perhaps earned that chance with his efforts as an emergency midfielder. Whether he will prove better than Stearman I don't know but I've every faith that it won't be unduly risky to find out. By contrast there's no way Kaebi has earned a similar chance. He has been a regular in a reserves defence that is collectively awful, which has conceded so many goals it's embarrassing and his department has been no stronger than anyone else's.
eaststandtom Posted 20 November 2007 Posted 20 November 2007 A good part of the criticism aimed at Stearman is there because people have their own agendas and who either want James Chambers or Kaebi installed.Indeed, I believe myself that Chambers should have his chance to starty at right back. Stearman's distribution and attacking drive don't seem to be quite what they were but make no mistake, the lad has still played an important role in a defence that, while it may have been reinforced, has still conceded less than a goal a game. That, for a side which attacks so little, is highly creditable. That doesn't mean we should ignore a potential chance to do even better and I think Chambers has perhaps earned that chance with his efforts as an emergency midfielder. Whether he will prove better than Stearman I don't know but I've every faith that it won't be unduly risky to find out. By contrast there's no way Kaebi has earned a similar chance. He has been a regular in a reserves defence that is collectively awful, which has conceded so many goals it's embarrassing and his department has been no stronger than anyone else's. i agree with these points. stearman needs to find his feet again. he has the ability
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