what we are missing

[filbertboy]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

[Unit]

I agree, we need some players who give a shit.

I sometimes wonder if we'd be better with 10 men from the crowd (and fulop) or the current team. Somebody needs to explain to the team how much the club matters.

[Lovejoy]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

Well said!!!

[DB11]

What we are missing is people that can play football... we are a football club after all!

[Ozwin]

We need some dirty players that what we need. Savage & Walshy were great at it, just annoy the opposition and get the crowd pumped up. A few rough tackles and clips at heels wouldn't go a miss and would definately get the crowd on side. The Walkers is atmosphereless and they need something to cheer about again.

I was watching the Stoke/Newcastle game and everytime Newcastle lost the ball the fans were like "WHHHEEEEYYYY!", at the Walkers we get about 10 people jeering. People don't mind coming here and playing because it's so damn miserable.

MAKE SOME NOISE!!

[Thracian]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

Stoke City have just demonstrated the value of commitment, attitude, passion, call it what you may although had I had been their manager, my pride in their performance would have been tempered by, of all things, their lack of ruthlessness in taking their chances.

Clearly Leicester fans love their scrappers these days and it is so frustrating that we really don't have many. In fact the big difference between the 21st century City fan and those of the 60's is that so many of our modern fans seem to prefer fight to football.

In my time we had real battlers like Frank McLintock and Colin Appleton in the side alongside really cultured footballers like Davie Gibson, Mike Stringfellow and centre-back Ian King.

Gibbo never really got his kit dirty even on the filthiest of afternoons but somehow he, and everyone else, was appreciated. Today, no-one is appreciated at Leicester unless they chase around like clockwork toys harrassing people.

How many people wanted Tiatto in the side at the beginning of last season. Leicester didn't win a single game he started the season before but people liked his attitude. Unfortunately, like our other arch battler, Kisnorbo, Tiatto was forever giving possession away too easily and rarely created anything.

What's really needed is a much more refined version of what we've got by way of battlers and a greater mixture of talent.

We need aggressive footballers who don't give the ball away, fast footballers who force defenders to make mistakes, pass-and-move footballers who know how to make and use space, cunning footballers who think one step ahead and clinical footballers who are at their coolest when presented with a chance. Better still, players who combine two or more of those qualities

Yet how many of those boxes would the players in our side tick?

None is the answer.

Although I'll reserve judgement on Howard.

How can you win things on that basis?

[ibbosuk]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

We need "Quality" players who will bring a Consistancy of performance. We have neither at the moment. But I for one am convinced Holloway is the man to bring those "Qualities" to the club.

[volpeazzurro]

We need "Quality" players who will bring a Consistancy of performance. We have neither at the moment. But I for one am convinced Holloway is the man to bring those "Qualities" to the club.

Arguebly for at least three seasons now we've needed a good left back and at least 2-3 midfielders but we've bought everything but! Mattock is a great prospect but we need experience now at this moment in time. I'm not going to slag Sheehan off but we don't need both him and Mattock and he's just not going to make the grade here so time for a transfer imo both for the clubs benefit and his long term future.

We bought Clemence but need at least two more solid midfielders, whether thats both wingers or not is up for discussion. Hume is not a winger clearly but may be able to play just behind the front two, though I'd prefer him or Fryatt to play off Howard. I don't see Hayles being any better than what we've got and at 35? I do think Weslowski will make the grade in time and he's just been very unlucky with injuries. You do get the impression that he gives of his best, though there are rumours surrounding his off the field activities (with the likes of Sheehan and Stearman) and I feel he needs some firm handling now before it's too late. Stearman should also go for ours and his own future and possibly some funds. Chambers would be a better right back to replace him.

What we don't need Ollie is yet more forwards or fullbacks (with the exception of Howard who I think was a great aquisition). I'd say bye bye to John, Cort, Elvis and DJ if anyone will have them. DJ is nothing near worth the value we've supposedly paid for him!

All is not lost (yet), but Ollie needs to get a grip soon, even this lot of players should be more than good enough to keep us up with a half decent manager compared with the players other clubs have got availble to them.

Regards.

[Ultra]

Arguably for at least three seasons now we've needed a good left back and at least 2-3 midfielders but we've bought everything but! Mattock is a great prospect but we need experience now at this moment in time. I'm not going to slag Sheehan off but we don't need both him and Mattock and he's just not going to make the grade here so time for a transfer imo both for the clubs benefit and his long term future.

Clarke looked like he could do a job for us at left-back and was one of Allen's better signings. It's strange that he hasn't yet been replaced. This is an area Holloway needs to look at.

We bought Clemence but need at least two more solid midfielders, whether thats both wingers or not is up for discussion. Hume is not a winger clearly but may be able to play just behind the front two, though I'd prefer him or Fryatt to play off Howard. I don't see Hayles being any better than what we've got and at 35? I do think Weslowski will make the grade in time and he's just been very unlucky with injuries. You do get the impression that he gives of his best, though there are rumours surrounding his off the field activities (with the likes of Sheehan and Stearman) and I feel he needs some firm handling now before it's too late. Stearman should also go for ours and his own future and possibly some funds. Chambers would be a better right back to replace him.

Barber was suggesting yesterday on Radio Leicester that Weso has never mentally recovered from his broken legs - an opinion shared by some posters on here. Like Clemence, he was quality in the Watford game but has done little since. If an offer is made for him, it should be seriously considered, as I'm not sure he and Clemence can play in the same side. Stearman seems to be a "chosen man" under Holloway so we'll just have to endure him for a while longer.

What we don't need Ollie is yet more forwards or fullbacks (with the exception of Howard who I think was a great aquisition). I'd say bye bye to John, Cort, Elvis and DJ if anyone will have them. DJ is nothing near worth the value we've supposedly paid for him!

Campbell and Howard could be the partnership to keep us up. At least it damn well should be, considering the money we paid for them both, way in excess of anything the three teams below us are likely to spend. DJ is probably the best finisher at the club and also has a good turn of pace, something the current crop of strikers badly lack.

All is not lost (yet), but Ollie needs to get a grip soon, even this lot of players should be more than good enough to keep us up with a half decent manager compared with the players other clubs have got available to them.

The next few games, all against eminently beatable opponents, will test the manager's motivational skills. Let's hope they prove up to the task.

[BedsFox]

we need Pace in some areas of the team we have none

we need a creative midfielder desperately

we need wingers, fortunately he's just signed one, we need a right winger too. They need to be good enough

we need a reliable goalkeeper who can organiser and instill confidence in his defence

We need a quality left back who can defend

We need to get rid of the shirkers and hangers on in the squad to help speed up a change in culture in the squad

All the signs are that Holloway is working to achieve all this

Howard I think looks good, Hayles I can't see the point of yet, he's sent away 8 unneeded players and he's signed a winger. More signings to follow

Only once all this has been achieved can we propperly judge Holloway becuase what he inherited was dreadful, as we can all see

[Wasyls Pec Deck]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

Both of those would walk into this team!!! Think how many goals Summerbee served up for Deane, Scowcroft etc..... McKinaly was effective too

[Pieces of Eight]

I'll be honest up front, I am an Argyle fan and will be straight with you guys, up to you if you want to believe me.

Just seen the above posts re not needing strikers, Ollie has got a reputation for liking lots of strikers, this has been echoed from fans at other clubs he has also managed. He does seem to like to be top heavy with them and at times sacrafice more essential signings opting for more forwards. On the other hand you have got to hand it to him, he has unearthed some real gems in his time if you look back through his managerial career. Hayles done us proud last year with 14 goals although we were wondering what Ollie had done when he signed him from Millwall for 100K and had done jacks**t for them. Good leader from the front although this year only scored a couple, also signed Ebanks Blake for 200k from Man U, turned into a good footballer, 3rd highest goalscorer this term in the CCC, also signed Rory Fallon for 300K (fair bit for us) from swansea, complete bloody donkey. I've gone around the houses a bit but basically he loves his forwards sometimes as a detriment to the rest of the positions that need filling.

As for Ollie this is probably been the toughest job he has had so far or perhaps the one with the biggest expectations riding on it.

I hope for you guys it all goes well, but in a perverse way I hope for him it goes tits up. Look at what one of our other ex managers has done at Crystal Palace, took Warnock a while but now Palace are flying!!

[Ultra]

Holloway's used EIGHT different strikers already, not including Campbell who has been injured for his entire spell in charge to date.

But he really needs to find his first choice strike duo soon, and stick with them.

[Flynny]

But he really needs to find his first choice strike duo soon, and stick with them.

It should really be Campbell/Howard with Fryatt and Hume on the bench, but Campbell's gonna be a month or more yet.

[escape2victory]

I dont pretend to know a lot about footie and I am often in awe of some of the posters on here and I cant recall starting a post on here that caused great discussion, but anyways here goes. I have been busy thinking about comments made with regard to players passion and if they even cared about our great club and past history. The current lot are overpaid for underperforming. Whats missing are players who truly wish to wear our shirt and badge and fight our cause. Think of Nicky Summerbee and Billy Mckinlay....... didnt they both sign very short non-contract deals that meant they didnt get paid to play for us in the days of Micky and administration ? I know they may very well have been very average players but dont they highlight a difference in attitude ?what we need players who are willing to go above and beyond to save our club, players who have some fight and passion.

Then just maybe we can move a little step forward and get to saftey.

Its not a lack of passion, more a complete lack of quality. This word "passion" often gets carted out when results are shite. People show passion in different ways, not everyone is a Steve Walsh blood and thunder character. Doesnt mean they dont care as much, just show it in different ways. Its more a lack of quality than a lack of passion at Leicester. Whats missing? In a nutshell, a commanding keeper and centre back, a solid left back, an experienced central midfielder and flair and creativity on the wings.

[2bob!]

Were missing midfielders, and a prolific goalscorer but now stevie is here he will provide a target! but he needs to be fed and without midfielders that isnt gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!

[WetFlannel]

Were missing midfielders, and a prolific goalscorer but now stevie is here he will provide a target! but he needs to be fed and without midfielders that isnt gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!

We are definately missing midfielders but I disagree on the strikers point. We now have Hume, Hayles, Howard, Fryatt and Campbell who are all capable of getting 15 goals (with the exception of Fryatt), and with that strength in depth, I dont think that a goalscorer should be our priority...

[The Reverend]

We are definately missing midfielders but I disagree on the strikers point. We now have Hume, Hayles, Howard, Fryatt and Campbell who are all capable of getting 15 goals (with the exception of Fryatt), and with that strength in depth, I dont think that a goalscorer should be our priority...

Are you serious? Hayles cant get 15 goals a season. His legs have gone now.

[SOCCERROO FOX]

What i have also noticeied is that we don't have many players who have been at the club for long periods of time like Izzet, Walsh, Elliot who took pride in wearing the foxes badge we just don't have those quallity players who are have been around the club for ages and give the younger guys someone to look up and show them what they can achieve by playing for The Mighty Foxes.

Thats why i want Hume to stick around for a long time cos he is that sort of player that people would look up to

[Smudge]

Stoke City have just demonstrated the value of commitment, attitude, passion, call it what you may although had I had been their manager, my pride in their performance would have been tempered by, of all things, their lack of ruthlessness in taking their chances.

Clearly Leicester fans love their scrappers these days and it is so frustrating that we really don't have many. In fact the big difference between the 21st century City fan and those of the 60's is that so many of our modern fans seem to prefer fight to football.

In my time we had real battlers like Frank McLintock and Colin Appleton in the side alongside really cultured footballers like Davie Gibson, Mike Stringfellow and centre-back Ian King.

Gibbo never really got his kit dirty even on the filthiest of afternoons but somehow he, and everyone else, was appreciated. Today, no-one is appreciated at Leicester unless they chase around like clockwork toys harrassing people.

How many people wanted Tiatto in the side at the beginning of last season. Leicester didn't win a single game he started the season before but people liked his attitude. Unfortunately, like our other arch battler, Kisnorbo, Tiatto was forever giving possession away too easily and rarely created anything.

What's really needed is a much more refined version of what we've got by way of battlers and a greater mixture of talent.

We need aggressive footballers who don't give the ball away, fast footballers who force defenders to make mistakes, pass-and-move footballers who know how to make and use space, cunning footballers who think one step ahead and clinical footballers who are at their coolest when presented with a chance. Better still, players who combine two or more of those qualities

Yet how many of those boxes would the players in our side tick?

None is the answer.

Although I'll reserve judgement on Howard.

How can you win things on that basis?

Aye the two I remember were Graham Cross and John Sjoberg.

[mancunianfox]

We are missing width and a settled team. We need to stick with one side...Howard and Hume up front with the new wingers in the first time and not ending up like Djeziri, Ferreira et al and allow a bit of time for the team to settle down and learn what each other are all about. We need wide players because full back is the position in which most teams are weakest. We need to start exploiting that and get some crosses in the box and start causing defences some problems.

[Raj]

We are missing a LEADER!

[Dames]

I'm missing Marton Fulop

But also we are missing

A fast enough decent centerback

An experienced left back

A right and left winger.

A Playmaker.

And we are also missing clubs willing to take players off our hands.

[Fez of Mahrez]

At the start of the season we had de Vries and Campbell.

Then a couple of months down the line, de Vries is at Leeds and Hume is in midfield so we sign Collins John. Fryatt is coming into form so people were looking at John and Fryatt as the front two.

Now, de Vries is still out of the picture, John is injured and unimpressive, Fryatt is struggling a bit and you can't play him up front with Howard, Campbell is injured but Howard looks good and Hume has scored a few recently so we're looking at Howard and Hume now.

Six different strikers, three different partnerships and that's before you even mention Hayles, Cort, Sappleton and Chambers who have all had a go up front.

[mancunianfox]

At the start of the season we had de Vries and Campbell.

Then a couple of months down the line, de Vries is at Leeds and Hume is in midfield so we sign Collins John. Fryatt is coming into form so people were looking at John and Fryatt as the front two.

Now, de Vries is still out of the picture, John is injured and unimpressive, Fryatt is struggling a bit and you can't play him up front with Howard, Campbell is injured but Howard looks good and Hume has scored a few recently so we're looking at Howard and Hume now.

Six different strikers, three different partnerships and that's before you even mention Hayles, Cort, Sappleton and Chambers who have all had a go up front.

It has to be Howard and Hume. They are the only two who have scored consistantly in this division and are both proven.