Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 If Maxi Gradel was in the first team at Leicester he'd soon have his doubters on here. Gradel has a lot of talent and I think he'll develop in to a good little player, but he is far too inconsistent right now, even more so than Levi Porter was for us last season. I think this loan spell is exactly what Gradel needs, I just hope that Holloway is aware of his ability and it's essential he's kept on next season and part of the first team plans. Ok, so he'd still be a valuable player to come off the bench with 15-20 mins to go for us at the minute but I think playing week in, week out will be better for him and us in the long term. But I will concede, that we are short of a winger or two as back-up at Leicester and we've got one in Gradel, but we'll get more out of him in the long run if he can build up his experience of playing regularly and producing an end product consistently. He's got a great scoring record in youth, reserve and now lower league football at a club that's struggled all season. I commend him for that and i'm looking forward to seeing him next season here hopefully. He is one player that might come back to haunt us if we do let him go.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Spot on. This bloke has has a traumatic time coping with the death of his mother, has played a fraction of the season as a result, yet has still scored two goals more than Fryatt while playing just one division below ours and specifically on the wing.I'll bet now that neither of our new wingers get five goals in the second half of the season. I doubt if our specialist right wingers have accumulated even three goals between them over the last four years. If you want a disucssion about Fryatts League One goalscoreing record I'll happily give you one.
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 If you want a disucssion about Fryatts League One goalscoreing record I'll happily give you one. Already acknowledged. I've posted in the last 24 hours what a good signing he would be for, say, Northampton.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Already acknowledged. I've posted in the last 24 hours what a good signing he would be for, say, Northampton. They're better than Bournemouth
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 "If Maxi Gradel was in the first team at Leicester he'd soon have his doubters on here." No truer words. He might have six goals but they're not Championship goals, so he wouldn't get to first base with the cynics despite the fact we've barely seen a goal from either wing for years. However, if it were you who'd scored the six goals in the division below Leicester, in what amounts to around a quarter of a season, I wonder how you'd feel about the situation. Young Matt Fryatt scored fairly prolificly for Walsall - at centre-forward, not as a winger - and has since been given over two years to do the same for us. Will Gradel get that chance here? Difficicult to see it given we've our latest moves in that direction. Bottom line, if there's no vacancy, he might as well move on.
Dames Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Will you chill out Thracian. At the rate he's going he'll probably be back for next season, Ollie would be mad if he didn't keep Gradel on. For now he's on loan somewhere where he will be getting first team games and experience. We can't Guarantee he would get that here if he hanged about, he would probably just be stuck in the reserves most of the time. This also has no relevance to Fryatt, this is about a young winger whos out on loan and doing well for himself.
Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Gradel's goalscoring record at all levels is impressive, he has a rare talent. At every level he's played at he's at least scored at a rate of a goal every 3 games, he's currently keeping that up at a team that's utter dog mess and in the relegation zone. Considering what Gradel has gone through as well this season, it's exceptional what he has achieved. I'm very excited about his future at Leicester, I just hope he wants to stay here and that Holloway wants him. His loan spell is exactly what he needs though, even if we probably could do with him at times this season. I know that it's a lot easier for a manager to rely on a player that's played a season's (there or thereabouts) worth of football and proven to be a success than if they were in the reserve team and seen as a hot prospect. If Gradel can work on his consistency, which the Bournemouth fans have also mentioned, then he'll be far too good to leave out of our team. A goal scoring winger? Yes please. Next season.
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Will you chill out Thracian.At the rate he's going he'll probably be back for next season, Ollie would be mad if he didn't keep Gradel on. For now he's on loan somewhere where he will be getting first team games and experience. We can't Guarantee he would get that here if he hanged about, he would probably just be stuck in the reserves most of the time. This also has no relevance to Fryatt, this is about a young winger whos out on loan and doing well for himself. Sorry Dames this is about a winger, not a striker, who's scored 6 goals in a quarter/third of a season, a figure that would have put him second in our list of scorers for the season and top were the ratings based on games played. Why would you NOT want to play someone like that especially considering who we HAVE played there this season?
James. Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Will you chill out Thracian.At the rate he's going he'll probably be back for next season, Ollie would be mad if he didn't keep Gradel on. For now he's on loan somewhere where he will be getting first team games and experience. We can't Guarantee he would get that here if he hanged about, he would probably just be stuck in the reserves most of the time. This also has no relevance to Fryatt, this is about a young winger whos out on loan and doing well for himself. It's ironic really that given Thracian's fondness of the younger players he is seemingly against something that will actually be beneficial to Gradel and hopefully Leicester City in the longer term. Dames, you're quite right. Playing on loan at Bournemouth will help Gradel far more than sitting around waiting for a chance to play for Leicester. If he continues to do well then I see Holloway as the sort of manager who will give him a chance. I certainly think and definitely hope he has a future at the club.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Sorry Dames this is about a winger, not a striker, who's scored 6 goals in a quarter/third of a season, a figure that would have put him second in our list of scorers for the season and top were the ratings based on games played. Why would you NOT want to play someone like that especially considering who we HAVE played there this season? Fryatt...?
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Gradel's goalscoring record at all levels is impressive, he has a rare talent. At every level he's played at he's at least scored at a rate of a goal every 3 games, he's currently keeping that up at a team that's utter dog mess and in the relegation zone. Considering what Gradel has gone through as well this season, it's exceptional what he has achieved. I'm very excited about his future at Leicester, I just hope he wants to stay here and that Holloway wants him.His loan spell is exactly what he needs though, even if we probably could do with him at times this season. I know that it's a lot easier for a manager to rely on a player that's played a season's (there or thereabouts) worth of football and proven to be a success than if they were in the reserve team and seen as a hot prospect. If Gradel can work on his consistency, which the Bournemouth fans have also mentioned, then he'll be far too good to leave out of our team. A goal scoring winger? Yes please. Next season. I see what you mean, yet Holloway does choose to rely on a guy who has no experience of English football and who's scoring record is hardly compelling. In fact Bori has scored just 9 times in 88 matches since 2001 according to Wikipaedia. And I doubt that would have been in football stronger than the Championship or even our Division One. Six full years! That's 15 games a season and an average of less than 2 goals for each. Gradel's average would put him on target for 15/18 goals per season not per six year stint! And in lower football it was phenomenal for a winger.
The People's Hero Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Everyone should try watching an argument develop on here between one party who's posts you can see and one who you have on ignore. It's quite special.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 I see what you mean, yet Holloway does choose to rely on a guy who has no experience of English football and who's scoring record is hardly compelling.In fact Bori has scored just 9 times in 88 matches since 2001 according to Wikipaedia. And I doubt that would have been in football stronger than the Championship or even our Division One. Six full years! That's 15 games a season and an average of less than 2 goals for each. Gradel's average would put him on target for 15/18 goals per season not per six year stint! And in lower football it was phenomenal for a winger. Look he's gone out on loan for whatever reason hopefully he can carry on his good form and come back next season and compete for a place, why don't you give this bloke a chance instead of wheeling out more than likely inaccurate Wikipedia stats to try make him look bad.
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 It's ironic really that given Thracian's fondness of the younger players he is seemingly against something that will actually be beneficial to Gradel and hopefully Leicester City in the longer term.Dames, you're quite right. Playing on loan at Bournemouth will help Gradel far more than sitting around waiting for a chance to play for Leicester. If he continues to do well then I see Holloway as the sort of manager who will give him a chance. I certainly think and definitely hope he has a future at the club. Okay you explain why you would rather Leicester City should give experience to a 24-year-old who's scored 9 goals in 88 games of lower grade continental football over six full seasons, rather than a guy who's got six goals in 16 games of his first season in the English first division. At that rate Gradel should easily eclipse his rival's career total in one season. Am I missing something here?
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Okay you explain why you would rather Leicester City should give experience to a 24-year-old who's scored 9 goals in 88 games of lower grade continental football over six full seasons, rather than a guy who's got six goals in 16 games of his first season in the English first division. At that rate Gradel should easily eclipse his rival's career total in one season. Am I missing something here? Thracian I will bet you a fortune thats not accurate.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Talk about flogging a dead horse. Christ alive.
STUHILL Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Are you bored today Thrac? Why u trying to wind ppl up . You have already said Gradels goals have come in a lower division, which believe it or not is where a lower standard of teams play. I think you are doing Gradel no good by trying to force your opinions on people. He is doing very well at Bourmouth and will most likely come back a far stronger player. I don't see why you want to rush so many kids through their developing stage. I'm sure Holloway is aware of his abilities, as he is with probably all the young prospects. Now instead of doing what you did with Dodds, i.e overkilling the issue which resulted in a general dislike towards the player by some, why don't you allow Gradel to keep doing his stuff and what will be will be!!
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Talk about flogging a dead horse. Christ alive. It's amusing it's not even as if our new right winger has looked especially poor.
The People's Hero Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Talk about flogging a dead horse. Christ alive. If we've got a dead horse on our hands, we should cart it off to the glue factory. All this flogging is doing no good at all.
Ric Flair Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 I see what you mean, yet Holloway does choose to rely on a guy who has no experience of English football and who's scoring record is hardly compelling.In fact Bori has scored just 9 times in 88 matches since 2001 according to Wikipaedia. And I doubt that would have been in football stronger than the Championship or even our Division One. Six full years! That's 15 games a season and an average of less than 2 goals for each. Gradel's average would put him on target for 15/18 goals per season not per six year stint! And in lower football it was phenomenal for a winger. To be honest, Gradel was initially out on loan before Holloway came here. I'd hazard a guess that Holloway has seeked advice regarding Gradel and whether to let Bournemouth keep him for the season. Bori might not have the scoring record of Gradel, but Holloway obviously rates him and both he and Penrice have a good record with signing Hungarians so i'm not going to question them too much. Being on loan for the rest of the season is hardly going to halt Gradel's progress, which is the bottom line here. If he get's the experience that allows him to kick on and become more consistent, working on the odd weakness he has then that will mean we've got a very good young player on our hands next season, all being well and let the good times begin. If Gradel is as good as we think he could be and can get 10-15 goals from midfield a season at Championship level, then happy days. I think this loan spell is great for him and I hope he keeps scoring and scoring and scoring, even if it will mean our fans slate Holloway for loaning him out. I'm sure West Ham fans were doing exactly the same to Redknapp when he loaned Bournemouth Jermain Defoe and he scored for fun each week. Harry let them have him all season, even when he kept scoring and the season after, Defoe was ready to be unleashed on the Premiership. When you loan a youngster out, this is exactly what you want to happen. You don't want them to go out and look mediocre and not impress. You want them to look as if it was a big mistake to even loan them out in the first place because they'd have been an asset to the first team from the off.
The People's Hero Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Yep, you send them out to prove a point. Both Dodds and Gradel have gone out with a point to prove. Gradel has apparently, really caught the eye. Dodds has not done quite so well, but seems to be getting regular football (albeit in a struggling team) so can perhaps be confident of a career in football, although that looks extremely doubtful at Leicester now. I think this can only do Gradel good. IH will get him back after this season and have a proper look in pre-season. If he makes the grade (in IH's opinion) then great -if not, it appears there will be no shortage of offers from elsewhere. Is Osbourne does come in (or any other midfielder) and Weso gets himself properly match fit we could probably let King go on loan to League one/two too, if there are any takers, with the option of an immediate recall if needed.
Dames Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 Ugh the guy literally never gives up, you beat one 'Thrac Stat' and he'll wheel out another to base his arguement upon. Okay. Gradel is something i'll give him that. He's currently on loan, ok? Getting first team experience and doing well which is doing no harm, Got that? Just because he's on loan doesn't mean he's gunna get bombed out. Unlike Dodds, Porter and Sheehan (God) he has something about him. Bori has been in english football for 2 games and has given a decent account of himself. Not all wingers are gunna be like Gradel and are gunna score every odd game, get used to it thats how football is these days. So, Gradel is on loan getting experience which will benefit him, Get over it. It will do that lad good in the long run. Just imagine if he was dragged into that piss poor midfield we had before the new year. It would have destroyed his confidence and made him look like a poor player.
Thracian Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 There's some good points in this debate. But I still fail to understand why, with our team clearly struggling to score enough goals for season after season, we consistently avoid playing the people who could put that right in favour of others who can't.
Manwell Pablo Posted 23 January 2008 Posted 23 January 2008 There's some good points in this debate. But I still fail to understand why, with our team clearly struggling to score enough goals for season after season, we consistently avoid playing the people who could put that right in favour of others who can't. Well as you've so eagerly pointed out in RE to Fryatt, the abilty to score in League One does not translate into the ability to score in the Championship. It's not as simple as recalling the goal machine from Bournemouth and watching the goals fly in.
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