Plymouth Post Match

[Darkzzz_]

PlymouthPete and Anon08 are more than welcome on here anytime, they are fans!!

Real fans!!!

Fair play to you lads!!!

And yes you were better than us, i will wish you two luck for your team!!

[Bert]

Ollie was blatantly hinting at getting Scott Sinclair in at his press conference.

[jbrommo]

So you get rid of Ollie, who do you get in? For christ sake you have to give the bloke a chance, I reckon you've had more than enough upheaval already!!! if you stay up then judge Ollie on how he does next year, remember Rome wasnt built in a day!!! Ollie is a good manager not a magician!!!

[jbrommo]

I'm an argyle fan based in Coventry, and just find it interesting what you City fans think of things - more to do with the fact I am a big Ollie fan!! i am not here to wind people up just getting your thoughts.

[Daggers]

So you get rid of Ollie, who do you get in? For christ sake you have to give the bloke a chance, I reckon you've had more than enough upheaval already!!! if you stay up then judge Ollie on how he does next year, remember Rome wasnt built in a day!!! Ollie is a good manager not a magician!!!

Wise words like these will fall on deaf ears mate - panicking and wildly switching opinion is what City fans do best.

That said - we are all absolutely sick of playing crap and losing all the ****ing time.

[WetFlannel]

I'm an argyle fan based in Coventry, and just find it interesting what you City fans think of things - more to do with the fact I am a big Ollie fan!! i am not here to wind people up just getting your thoughts.

Did you go today? And its hard to see things picking up at the moment...

Thanks for some decency.

[Joe.]

I just feel sorry for one of my mates.

He's a Leicester fan and his Dad's a Plymouth fan. I'm glad I'm not in that household tonight.

[lildave3]

I just feel sorry for one of my mates.

He's a Leicester fan and his Dad's a Plymouth fan. I'm glad I'm not in that household tonight.

That reminds me, get him and the rest to come on an away day with us.

[jbrommo]

I was at the game sat with a Leicester supporter in the home end, and on another day the result could have been different. I think its always difficult to get a manager in and immediately become world beaters, so it really is time to back your manager as the last thing you really want is another change? I reckon given time it will improve, it jus depends if Ollie has that time?

[Maybes]

I was at the game sat with a Leicester supporter in the home end, and on another day the result could have been different. I think its always difficult to get a manager in and immediately become world beaters, so it really is time to back your manager as the last thing you really want is another change? I reckon given time it will improve, it jus depends if Ollie has that time?

The majority of city fans will give him plenty of time. Its just the rather rash chairman of ours that likes to take things into his hands.

[Bryn]

Ollie can hint all he wants about getting Scott Sinclair in. Scott Sinclair isn't going to change much. Until our team becomes disciplined enough to pass the ball around and build opportunities, no change of personnel will do any good.

Today, I'm with Thracian. The distribution of our central defenders is not good enough. And the rest aren't much better.

[Master Fox]

Just back from the game.

Well, I'm lost for words. I can't begin to describe how sh*t our club as whole has become. It just reminded me why i decided to stop going as much.

I was thinking i might go Watford before the game today, but not a chance now.

Biggest problem is the midfield, but could it actually have been we missed Mattock and Stearman today? We looked pretty shakey at the back. But the team as whole is a shambles.

I actually agree with all the Plymouth fans over the weeks that have come on here, fair play to them. I wish our fans could sing and create songs like they do. Compared to them we're sh*t

Anyway, b*llox why am i wasting myt time even posting this..??

[lee7]

holloways personality and the media's perception of him masks alot of his mistakes , he is tacticly un-aware and paul sturrock out done him tonight .

ollie out please before its too late to do anything about this.

how is that going to help. all that will do is make things worse.

[hammers]

Hello City fans...I am an Argyle fan but again not on here to gloat.

Firstly, Holloway is your manager not ours and I'm pissed off that some of ours still go on about him. At Portsmouth in FAC, we were 1-0 up and some goons kept singing "Are you watching Holloway". He's old news for me, but for some he seriously annoyed them. Most of the comments on here aren't anti-LCFC, just anti-Holloway.

Looking through your team, you should be doing far better than you are. What surprised me was how much hoof-ball you played, I think our team needs a bit more shape about it. When Holloway was at Argyle and doing OK, he had two flank players in Halmosi & Norris who were used a lot. With the strikers you've got (who between them have aerial power/ pace etc), that's surely got to be a must?

Sorry guys, but good players as some may be/ have been, I think some of your names are going through the motions...and not playing for yolot...the LCFC fans. I did think Howard & Hume looked like they were up for it. I thought your right back looked dodgy..he was only facing a left back playing midfield...not Ryan Giggs yet looked nervous throughout.

From me at least...good luck for rest of the season. I don't think relegation should be a worry.

[WetFlannel]

Just back from the game.

Well, I'm lost for words. I can't begin to describe how sh*t our club as whole has become. It just reminded me why i decided to stop going as much.

I was thinking i might go Watford before the game today, but not a chance now.

Biggest problem is the midfield, but could it actually have been we missed Mattock and Stearman today? We looked pretty shakey at the back. But the team as whole is a shambles.

I actually agree with all the Plymouth fans over the weeks that have come on here, fair play to them. I wish our fans could sing and create songs like they do. Compared to them we're sh*t

Anyway, b*llox why am i wasting myt time even posting this..??

Good job you just came on... You missed the invasion.

[Master Fox]

Good job you just came on... You missed the invasion.

what happened?

[lildave3]

Hello City fans...I am an Argyle fan but again not on here to gloat.

Firstly, Holloway is your manager not ours and I'm pissed off that some of ours still go on about him. At Portsmouth in FAC, we were 1-0 up and some goons kept singing "Are you watching Holloway". He's old news for me, but for some he seriously annoyed them. Most of the comments on here aren't anti-LCFC, just anti-Holloway.

Looking through your team, you should be doing far better than you are. What surprised me was how much hoof-ball you played, I think our team needs a bit more shape about it. When Holloway was at Argyle and doing OK, he had two flank players in Halmosi & Norris who were used a lot. With the strikers you've got (who between them have aerial power/ pace etc), that's surely got to be a must?

Sorry guys, but good players as some may be/ have been, I think some of your names are going through the motions...and not playing for yolot...the LCFC fans. I did think Howard & Hume looked like they were up for it. I thought your right back looked dodgy..he was only facing a left back playing midfield...not Ryan Giggs yet looked nervous throughout.

From me at least...good luck for rest of the season. I don't think relegation should be a worry.

I think he knew this was his chance to stake a claim for a regular place with Stearman suspended, and it effected him.

[LondonPilgrim]

Hi All

Before you bite my head off, let me just say I've always had a soft spot for the Foxes, since living with a Leicester fan a few years ago & regularly watching you in the Prem - the old O'Neil days of Savage, Heskey, Izzett, Guppy, Marshall etc.

Ignore the drunk Plymothians on here - we've had a tough few weeks & they're letting off some steam - it just happens to be you that we beat today.

As for Holloway, I'm surprised things aren't working out for him up there. I always had mixed feelings about the guy (ignoring the manner of his departure...)

He got us playing some of the best football I've seen at HP - fast, good passing & tactically astute. We had some memorable wins under Ollie at Charlton, QPR etc. But my biggest concerns were that he tended to stack the squad with mediocre strikers, neglecting the defence a bit, & his desperate self-promotion became more of a burden than a blessing.

Frankly the reaction to his departure from some of our fans has been a bit pathetic - they have seemed much more concerned with attacking IH & the Plymouth board, than getting behind our new manager & team.

Today's game frankly was pretty drab - you were poor, but we nicked a goal. Remember our best players though were our big Hungarian centre-back & keeper - testament to the amount of attacks you had. Hayles looked like he has done all season - old, slow, ineffectual & cheating. He was brilliant last season when he scored loads for us, but never regained that form after last summer. Frankly I was laughing when Ollie took him with him, & we made a profit on him.

I thought Clapham looked pretty good, & the striker who came on for Hayles (the one who dived) was your biggest threat up front. Hume worked his socks off, to little reward, but Kisnorbo was invisible. I used to rate him, but he was v poor today.

I don't think you're in any real danger of relegation. A few wins & you'll be comfortably mid-table, & you're by no means the worst team I've seen this year. Have faith, & I'm sure it'll come good.

PS: We're not all pasty-munching hooligans...

[bleddy argo]

Perhaps now you will realise that your manager is not as good as you thought he was going to be.

Get rid of him now before he drags your club deeper into the mire..............which he will.

Your club has a proud tradition of playing football and "hollowhead" is not the man to keep that alive.

Thanks for the 3 points

[General Smuts]

My assessment of the game today...

1. We were not THAT bad, i have seen us play worse and i have seen West Ham Vs Man City in the cup and both teams were worse in that game.

2. We did probably deserve a draw as both teams were as shit as each other.

3. We should have had at least one penalty.

4. Kisnorbo needs to learn more than one pass - diagonal ball from left to right.

5. The centre backs are not quick enough.

6. Alnwick can't kick for shit, but hes a brilliant shot stopper.

7. Holloway has the tactical nouse of a roadkill badger, stop playing 4 up front you numpty.

8. Hume is not a winger.

9. DJ should have started alongside Howard, Bazza did ok on the left whilst Zsolt is recovering.

10. Clemence is not the messiah, Oakley is carrying him, bring back Weso.

11. Bori shouldn't have been substituted.

12. Chambers is better than Stearman.

13. We need to stop playing the same fooking hoofed ball down the line over the RB/LB every single time any defender gets the ball.

14. Clapham is ok.

[Master Fox]

I like the way posts praising Plymouth are being deleted.

[when_you're_smiling]

Well the fact we actually tried to win the game makes it better than the dross we saw at home under Megson and a few others before him. Just trying to get a point is an improvment on all that and if one of those chances had been put away or one of the penalties given it would have been a different story.

However we were shite first half and it was the same old story of being over-ran in midfield and you can't argue with Plymouth deserving their half time lead. In the second half we were better but the worst thing about that was that we only looked dangerous when we hoofed it up and hoped one of the five strikers picked up the second ball. I have no idea why Holloway didn't put Fryatt on at least 10 mins earlier.

At the minute I don't think Brian Clough, Alex Fergusson or Jesus Christ could provide the run of results some fans demand. Holloway needs to be stuck with.

[Green_Alien]

Plymouth fan here - but no I'm not here to gloat (honest). Why should I - you're no different from us or any other set of fans that care about their club - the same mix of honset passionate supporters and gobby prats and a few psychos. But we do have experience of Holloway. OK, OK dismiss our opinions as bitter & twisted if you like (I think I saw someone refer to us 'Jilted Johns' ) but our hatred for him isn't that simple. Sturrock walked out just as we were on the verge of promotion but he always received a warm welcome back & we were delighted when he returned when Gollum went to you lot. FFS Argyle fans are well used to people buggering off for more money or better prospects - we don't like it but understand it.

The thing with Holloway was he was brilliant for us NOT because his management skills but he made us believe in ourselves. We are special because we're in the corner of the footballing world and have the unenviable record of being the biggest city NEVER to have had a top flight team. We have a crushing inferiority complex and have little chance of ever finding a generous billionaire and the cynicism amonst our fans is massive. But Holloway was a master confidence trickster who made us feel great about ourselves and created a wonderful wave of hope & optimism that transmitted itself to the players. THAT and only that is why we did so well with him. He was never a good tactician - his decisions were often baffling and he got things shockingly wrong sometimes bu we loved him as an eccentric anyway and over-looked his lack of tactical nous in the same we forgave some of his embarrassing comments. To be fair he also made some great (and cheap) signings - Halmosi, Timar, Ebanks -Blake (sold to Wolves for £1.5M), Seip (didn't play today) and Hayles (although this year father time caught up with him). But as a football manager he is honsetly is nothing special at all - Sturrock is a different class.

What does this mean for you? Well honestly I think the huge positves he brought for us don't apply to you. You're in the centre of the country with money to compete and a club used to something better. His tub-thumping cheery ways don't really apply - especially the way his messy departure from us has made him look (a few days before leaving he gave a typical Ollie rant about loving us, loving the region, how people should honour cotracts etc etc. - do you blame us for feeling a little bitter?). The thing is if you take away the Ollie confidence magic you are just left with a tactically very ordinary manager (that's being kind). Even his signings for us may have been lucky - he himself said he hadn't acually seen them play (apart from old mates which he's a sucker for) but signed them on loan-to-buy deals on the strength of a few video highlights although maybe it shows he's got good contacts.

Dismiss my opinion as a bitter & gloating Argyle prat if you like - it doesn't bother me - you won't hear from me again. But I honestly don't think you've got the right bloke - with Milan's cash you could do much, much better. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he can boost morale to the extent that his tactical short-comings are masked in the way he did with us. We'll see. Best of luck (I mean that).

[He's not bald]

Just back from the game.

Well, I'm lost for words. I can't begin to describe how sh*t our club as whole has become. It just reminded me why i decided to stop going as much.

I was thinking i might go Watford before the game today, but not a chance now.

Biggest problem is the midfield, but could it actually have been we missed Mattock and Stearman today? We looked pretty shakey at the back. But the team as whole is a shambles.

I actually agree with all the Plymouth fans over the weeks that have come on here, fair play to them. I wish our fans could sing and create songs like they do. Compared to them we're sh*t

Anyway, b*llox why am i wasting myt time even posting this..??

Post traumatic stress..that's why!

I think we are at our lowest ebb and it can't possibly get any worse

That was Ollie's team and tactics out there today and he can't hide from that

It was piss poor and we still are not moving in the right direction infact we are going backwards

Alnwick inspires no confidence at all

Kisnorbo had a mare

Hume is getting worse every match

Was Clemence playing?

We will get thumped at Vicarage Road and if we are as dismal next week against Delia's boys we could find ourselves in a real relegation battle with no spirit or tactical abilitity to fight our way out and if we go down...look at Fo**st and L**ds!..it's bloody scary

[He's not bald]

Plymouth fan here - but no I'm not here to gloat (honest). Why should I - you're no different from us or any other set of fans that care about their club - the same mix of honset passionate supporters and gobby prats and a few psychos. But we do have experience of Holloway. OK, OK dismiss our opinions as bitter & twisted if you like (I think I saw someone refer to us 'Jilted Johns' ) but our hatred for him isn't that simple. Sturrock walked out just as we were on the verge of promotion but he always received a warm welcome back & we were delighted when he returned when Gollum went to you lot. FFS Argyle fans are well used to people buggering off for more money or better prospects - we don't like it but understand it.

The thing with Holloway was he was brilliant for us NOT because his management skills but he made us believe in ourselves. We are special because we're in the corner of the footballing world and have the unenviable record of being the biggest city NEVER to have had a top flight team. We have a crushing inferiority complex and have little chance of ever finding a generous billionaire and the cynicism amonst our fans is massive. But Holloway was a master confidence trickster who made us feel great about ourselves and created a wonderful wave of hope & optimism that transmitted itself to the players. THAT and only that is why we did so well with him. He was never a good tactician - his decisions were often baffling and he got things shockingly wrong sometimes bu we loved him as an eccentric anyway and over-looked his lack of tactical nous in the same we forgave some of his embarrassing comments. To be fair he also made some great (and cheap) signings - Halmosi, Timar, Ebanks -Blake (sold to Wolves for £1.5M), Seip (didn't play today) and Hayles (although this year father time caught up with him). But as a football manager he is honsetly is nothing special at all - Sturrock is a different class.

What does this mean for you? Well honestly I think the huge positves he brought for us don't apply to you. You're in the centre of the country with money to compete and a club used to something better. His tub-thumping cheery ways don't really apply - especially the way his messy departure from us has made him look (a few days before leaving he gave a typical Ollie rant about loving us, loving the region, how people should honour cotracts etc etc. - do you blame us for feeling a little bitter?). The thing is if you take away the Ollie confidence magic you are just left with a tactically very ordinary manager (that's being kind). Even his signings for us may have been lucky - he himself said he hadn't acually seen them play (apart from old mates which he's a sucker for) but signed them on loan-to-buy deals on the strength of a few video highlights although maybe it shows he's got good contacts. :!

Dismiss my opinion as a bitter & gloating Argyle prat if you like - it doesn't bother me - you won't hear from me again. But I honestly don't think you've got the right bloke - with Milan's cash you could do much, much better. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he can boost morale to the extent that his tactical short-comings are masked in the way he did with us. We'll see. Best of luck (I mean that).

appl: your right of course...good luck