More Trouble ?

[Guest]

I'm glad you can see the funny side.

[skinnydipper]

I sat in Block 10 row mm yesterday and there was a fair smattering of chavscum just behind us. What really pisses me off is the tools who spend 75% of the game staring and gesturing at the away fans with little interest at what happens on the pitch whilst claiming to be "loyal supporters" . It would brighten up Birch's half time slot if he wheeled a big cage onto the pitch, put the morons in it and let them knock nine bells of sh!t out of each other

[DanTheFoxBhoy]

I still wonder why people get so worked up about brawls.

The fact is this happened miles from the ground and was organised between rival groups, and affected neither the game nor your average card carrying fan.

The FA sought the clean up the image of football and they have done that. Individual fans and families can attend games without worrying about post-match bust ups and the overturning of hot dog vans outside the grounds.

So what's it matter if a group of older blokes in Stone Island caps want to punch the crap out of each other in suburban Coventry?

[Corky]

I still wonder why people get so worked up about brawls.

The fact is this happened miles from the ground and was organised between rival groups, and affected neither the game nor your average card carrying fan.

The FA sought the clean up the image of football and they have done that. Individual fans and families can attend games without worrying about post-match bust ups and the overturning of hot dog vans outside the grounds.

So what's it matter if a group of older blokes in Stone Island caps want to punch the crap out of each other in suburban Coventry?

The fact that the good reputation of 99% of Leicester City supporters is tarnished by the moronic 1%. When I go to away matches, I don't want the police looking at me with suspision (sp), and the home fans thinking I am a thug. Two consecutive Saturdays this has happened now, and it can not carry on.

[Bellend Sebastian]

I've just been talking to a friend of mine who took her 13 year old cousin to the game on Saturday, and whilst waiting outside the ground for the coppers to let them get on to a bus back to the City Centre, was asked by a Leicester fan what he thought of the game, and when he replied 'I thought we were shit' (being autistic he's prone to straight talking) was punched to the ground and stamped on. If your own fans do that to children supporting the SAME TEAM, what hope is there?

[Dr The Singh]

I've just been talking to a friend of mine who took her 13 year old cousin to the game on Saturday, and whilst waiting outside the ground for the coppers to let them get on to a bus back to the City Centre, was asked by a Leicester fan what he thought of the game, and when he replied 'I thought we were shit' (being autistic he's prone to straight talking) was punched to the ground and stamped on. If your own fans do that to children supporting the SAME TEAM, what hope is there?

That's appalling!! To be honest I've been attacked more times from our own fans then away supporters...............so sad!!!

[teblin]

I've just been talking to a friend of mine who took her 13 year old cousin to the game on Saturday, and whilst waiting outside the ground for the coppers to let them get on to a bus back to the City Centre, was asked by a Leicester fan what he thought of the game, and when he replied 'I thought we were shit' (being autistic he's prone to straight talking) was punched to the ground and stamped on. If your own fans do that to children supporting the SAME TEAM, what hope is there?

That is terrible

I didn't witness any thing at cov, but i did witness leicester "fans" racially abusing their own fan and al banguarra at watford and also smashing seats when their kids were with them.

I sent a message into the phone in last week, sat how i was disgusted by the behavior of city fans at watford, and it didn't get on the show. funny that.

[purpleronnie]

I heard there was a pre arranged fight away from the ground.

I have no problem with this as no innocent people get hurt.

If they want to stab each other then let them.

But when innocent people get hurt that pisses me off.

[Bellend Sebastian]

The lad's alright as far as I know, and the bloke that did it was arrested and detained on the spot, which makes you thankful there were plenty of coppers about.

I cannot get my head round it. Why act like such a cock? There's a good chance that charges will be pressed against this bloke and he might end up getting banned as well. Was it really worth assaulting a 13 year old boy for that? It's hardly great hard man bragging material is it? 'I stamped on a 13 year old' - your Dad would be SO proud

[samingram_uk]

I sat in Block 10 row mm yesterday and there was a fair smattering of chavscum just behind us. What really pisses me off is the tools who spend 75% of the game staring and gesturing at the away fans with little interest at what happens on the pitch whilst claiming to be "loyal supporters" . It would brighten up Birch's half time slot if he wheeled a big cage onto the pitch, put the morons in it and let them knock nine bells of sh!t out of each other

That was me, i have to totally disagree with you. Just becuase we wanted to stand and sing, and ocassionaly sing 'we hate covscum' and 'who the fu*k are you?' does not make us chavscum. 99% of Leicester fans sing them songs.

[Head Honcho]

A few of my mates & there family are in that there not all bad.

Same here the only one I didn't know was the Coalville geezer.

I'm not sure but I think that may have been my cousin in the picture with Ashley Fletcher

[ASH17LCFC]

Same here the only one I didn't know was the Coalville geezer.

I'm not sure but I think that may have been my cousin in the picture with Ashley Fletcher

Does Mitchell Fletcher still go down ?

[Staf]

Disgraceful i bet the people who were fighting werent even the leicester fans just a good excuse for a fight its pathetic at the end of the day it is as a football match

[C.J]

We dont want these wankers giving our club a bad reputation, if its true that they were in their 50's they should grow up. Idiots

[Daggers]

I've just been talking to a friend of mine who took her 13 year old cousin to the game on Saturday, and whilst waiting outside the ground for the coppers to let them get on to a bus back to the City Centre, was asked by a Leicester fan what he thought of the game, and when he replied 'I thought we were shit' (being autistic he's prone to straight talking) was punched to the ground and stamped on. If your own fans do that to children supporting the SAME TEAM, what hope is there?

Thank **** the bloke didn't ask me for my opinion then - I'd still be in hospital.

[Poakey]

That was me, i have to totally disagree with you. Just becuase we wanted to stand and sing, and ocassionaly sing 'we hate covscum' and 'who the fu*k are you?' does not make us chavscum. 99% of Leicester fans sing them songs.

We Wish!

[purpleronnie]

The fact that the good reputation of 99% of Leicester City supporters is tarnished by the moronic 1%. When I go to away matches, I don't want the police looking at me with suspision (sp), and the home fans thinking I am a thug. Two consecutive Saturdays this has happened now, and it can not carry on.

You really shouldnt care so much about what strangers think of you.

[skinnydipper]

That was me, i have to totally disagree with you. Just becuase we wanted to stand and sing, and occassionaly sing 'we hate covscum' and 'who the fu*k are you?' does not make us chavscum. 99% of Leicester fans sing them songs.

The fact that you post on here makes me think that you're interested in football and LCFC . My point is that there were some people near me who were more interested in the Coventry fans and goading them than what was going on in the game. People who spend the game with their arms spread wide, offering a fight from the safety of our own section or repeatedly giving the bird or a Gareth Hunt and then having ago at someone (not me) for leaving 5 minutes early is a tool. Singing -great;swearing -fine;banter with away fans - no problem. Support the team but if your purpose of going to a game is to show how hard you are and act like a c*** why bother going

[Head Honcho]

Does Mitchell Fletcher still go down ?

I'd imagine so!

I haven't spoken to him since the Spurs final.

[Floating Fox]

You really shouldnt care so much about what strangers think of you.

Yeah but it's down right disgracefull the looks you get on the train with your scarf on or they way a policeman will look at you if your dressed casually or have a replica shirt on.

They would think completly different if I was wearing a uniform.

I don't really give a flying fook about what people think of me, but when it's the police I grates on me. And it's the general attitude the public have of football fans that pisses me off.

The fact that you post on here makes me think that you're interested in football and LCFC . My point is that there were some people near me who were more interested in the Coventry fans and goading them than what was going on in the game. People who spend the game with their arms spread wide, offering a fight from the safety of our own section or repeatedly giving the bird or a Gareth Hunt and then having ago at someone (not me) for leaving 5 minutes early is a tool. Singing -great;swearing -fine;banter with away fans - no problem. Support the team but if your purpose of going to a game is to show how hard you are and act like a c*** why bother going

100% agree.

They're was a smuttering of cu nts like that around us, funny thing is that they attend a fair few games!

[Legend_in_blue]

Yeah but it's down right disgracefull the looks you get on the train with your scarf on or they way a policeman will look at you if your dressed casually or have a replica shirt on.

They would think completly different if I was wearing a uniform.

I don't really give a flying fook about what people think of me, but when it's the police I grates on me. And it's the general attitude the public have of football fans that pisses me off.

100% agree.

They're was a smuttering of cu nts like that around us, funny thing is that they attend a fair few games!

Isn't this just another way for our fans to show their frustrations for what is happening on the pitch? Some fans will have a go at the team, some fans will sit all quiet and think to themselves, 'why am I here?' (includes me that one) and some fans will act like idiots and try to stir it up between themselves and opposition fans to relieve their boredom of the game.

Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.

[Floating Fox]

Isn't this just another way for our fans to show their frustrations for what is happening on the pitch? Some fans will have a go at the team, some fans will sit all quiet and think to themselves, 'why am I here?' (includes me that one) and some fans will act like idiots and try to stir it up between themselves and opposition fans to relieve their boredom of the game.

Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.

I don't know, but if thats true, then they're fcked in the head.

Last week was mainly started by some chavs from Norwich. The police will obviosuly come out in their dozens, because it's overtime, and they can just make the Safety Authority Group enforce the presence, as the two are basically joined at the hip.

It's fcked.

Anyway, Heres the report from the Eastern Daily Press:

Police attitude made bad day worse

It should have been a tale of two cities, but in practice it was a tale of four police forces.

The 'fans' who started fighting after the game have brought shame on our club, our city, our county and our region.

If any of them are charged and found guilty, I hope they get tough sentences in the courts, and I hope they get banned from Carrow Road and elsewhere.

But I didn't hear about that trouble until the next morning, when I was safely back in Norwich after a day that had seen disappointment on the pitch turn to bewilderment and annoyance off it.

It all began at the end of the game when I approached a police inspector at the Walkers Stadium to ask him why his officers and the stewards had been so heavy-handed with a couple of Norwich supporters who were thrown out. I make no defence of the supporters in question - I don't know them and I don't know what they had done - but why is it that when a steward at an away ground goes over the top with a supporter, everyone else in a jacket piles in as if the steward is a totally blameless victim?

Anyway, I didn't get much of an answer from the inspector, but at least he was polite and called me “Sir”, so I went away happy. Easily pleased, I am.

But as we left Leicester by train and moved into Lincolnshire, we were greeted by the remarkable sight of what seemed to be an entire police force at Stamford station. I tried to take a photo for the purposes of this column, but some oversensitive member of the local constabulary put his hand up against the window to stop me.

That was an interesting change in police policy from the morning, when we had had a camera thrust into our faces as we boarded the train in Norwich.

I'm told that such filming by the police forms a crucial part of their intelligence gathering. That may be so, but perhaps that policeman at Stamford now knows how we mere mortals feel.

By now, there was a lot of puzzlement as to why the police presence along the whole route was so ridiculously over the top. I now know about the trouble in Leicester city centre, but even in hindsight the policing seemed like overkill.

But it got even more bizarre in Ely, where we had to change trains.

I used to live in Ely, so I know what goes on there. Not a lot, in fact.

So I was well aware that something unusual was up when I saw lots of police and perhaps half a dozen police vehicles - one marked 'Dog Unit' - outside.

Not unreasonably, I thought, I asked a policeman why there was such a huge police presence.

“Because of trouble in Birmingham,” he sneered. I could tell immediately that he thought I was a hooligan.

“In Birmingham?” I asked, even more puzzled.

“Yes, Birmingham,” he said.

“But Birmingham is miles away. This is Ely and we're going to Norwich.”

“I've told you, there were reports of trouble in Birmingham.”

“I still don't understand. What's that got to do with us here?”

“Birmingham,” he shouted back aggressively. A man of few words, clearly.

At this point I must have looked as incredulous as I felt, because he barked: “I'm not telling you again,” before storming off.

It might not come across here in the way it did at the time, but there was such a sneery, arrogant attitude from this policeman that it really got my back up. It was clear to me that in his mind I was a problem.

We met again on the platform a short while later. By now I'd decided to make a complaint about this man. I hadn't been beaten, framed for something I hadn't done, assaulted or sworn at, but I was treated with such disdain by a public servant that I decided to ask his name.

He wouldn't give it to me. I have no idea if he was legally bound to tell me, but I wonder what he'd have done had the roles been reversed. He'd have nicked me, probably.

So I took his number and told him I'd be making a complaint about him. To which he replied with some comment such as “Go on, make my day.”

A storm in a teacup? Maybe. Could I have walked away when it became clear the policeman was being awkward? Definitely.

But there's a bigger point here. This isn't about some jumped-up copper at Ely station. It's about the dinosaur approach to football fans that still seems to exist in some police forces.

My day job is as a business and personal-finance writer for the EDP. You probably didn't know that, because even fewer people take any notice of those stories than they do of what I bumble on about in this column.

But it means that when I'm not in football-fan mode, I'm wearing a suit. I don't look like a 'normal' football fan.

Had I gone through Ely wearing a suit, I bet I'd have been put in the category of 'victim' by that policeman. I'd have been one of the passengers at risk from all those nasty Norwich supporters. I'd have been one of those people that the policeman was there to protect.

As it was, I'd been to football. I was wearing casuals. I probably smelt of beer because I'd had a couple of pints during the day. And because there had been trouble involving a handful of fans in Leicester (because that's what I assume the policeman really meant rather than Birmingham), I must have been one of the people the policeman was there to keep an eye on.

I am by no means anti-police. Far from it. I have several friends who are or were in the police - some of them people I met professionally who have since become mates.

I'm also in the process of arranging to do a Fan's Eye feature about police operations before and during an away trip with the Canaries. It won't be a puff piece about the police, but equally it's not the sort of thing that someone who is anti-police would bother writing.

I've always thought that unless you behave like a prat, you can pretty much guarantee that you'll never have any problems with the police. But unfortunately, a couple of police forces proved last week that that isn't always the case.

When we got back to Norwich, we were greeted by another large police presence. Here we go again, I thought.

I asked an officer what was going on, and he told me that they'd had intelligence that there was trouble on the train. But nothing had happened, and now they were going home. And he wandered off with a smile.

Perhaps the Cambridgeshire lot should send their guys up to Norfolk for a lesson in diplomacy.

It's not about the number of police at railway stations. It's about how you treat people.

If you treat them like criminals, they can act like criminals. If you treat them with respect and politeness, you'll get much more respect in return.

[Daggers]

Isn't this just another way for our fans to show their frustrations for what is happening on the pitch?

Even if that were true, which it certainly isn't, it would rank as the crappest excuse in an attempt to legitimise this ****wit behaviour.

[Raj]

I've just been talking to a friend of mine who took her 13 year old cousin to the game on Saturday, and whilst waiting outside the ground for the coppers to let them get on to a bus back to the City Centre, was asked by a Leicester fan what he thought of the game, and when he replied 'I thought we were shit' (being autistic he's prone to straight talking) was punched to the ground and stamped on. If your own fans do that to children supporting the SAME TEAM, what hope is there?

Isn't this just another way for our fans to show their frustrations for what is happening on the pitch? Some fans will have a go at the team, some fans will sit all quiet and think to themselves, 'why am I here?' (includes me that one) and some fans will act like idiots and try to stir it up between themselves and opposition fans to relieve their boredom of the game.

Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.

Mr Legend in blue.

Read the above post carefully.

Would you say what happened to the young lad,is just cos a fan of LCFC was just letting of steam?

Its a fcuking joke.

Then people moan about us not having a massive away following!!!!

[Guest]

That was me, i have to totally disagree with you. Just becuase we wanted to stand and sing, and ocassionaly sing 'we hate covscum' and 'who the fu*k are you?' does not make us chavscum. 99% of Leicester fans sing them songs.

Isn't this just another way for our fans to show their frustrations for what is happening on the pitch? Some fans will have a go at the team, some fans will sit all quiet and think to themselves, 'why am I here?' (includes me that one) and some fans will act like idiots and try to stir it up between themselves and opposition fans to relieve their boredom of the game.

Maybe, maybe not. Just a thought.

So the chest-beating neanderthals who like to goad each other are either bored or proper fans?