jerakin Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Many have stated that league 1 is a difficult league to get out of (upwards anyway!) Many have added that teams play some kind of hoofball on steroids, and it allows for little skill, only muscle and speed. Do we all agree with this? Are we going to have to play this high octane hoof to escape. Is this mega hoof a good spectacle, or are we going to sit through Wimbledon V Wimbledon every game this season?
Simi Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 I thought this was a thread about the Red team in the wrong forum...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 I got to see Bristol Rovers play a few times this season (i live in bristol) and they certainly try to pass it - but clearly their's problems with this as they didn't do very well except in the cup. I think it's a mixture of things that cause's this sort of problem - the players are not as technically gifted so it's an easier tactic to employee a hoof. The pitches at some grounds are poor and are not conjucive to passing football. Added to this the likeliness that teams will sit back against us and play on the counter, passing football should be attainable at home, but will need to be effective, but away hoof ball may well need to be used. Can I add - there's nothing wrong with well played hoofball - if it's not just aimless it can be quite an exciting tactic.
Houdini Logic Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Hoooooooooooof! I personally think that if a team plays this style of football it shouldn't stop any opponent playing their own game.
Thracian Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Many have stated that league 1 is a difficult league to get out of (upwards anyway!)Many have added that teams play some kind of hoofball on steroids, and it allows for little skill, only muscle and speed. Do we all agree with this? Are we going to have to play this high octane hoof to escape. Is this mega hoof a good spectacle, or are we going to sit through Wimbledon V Wimbledon every game this season? After what we've sat through in recent seasons I wouldn't worry. Nor do I think the League will be anything like as grim as is made out. Clubs will have seen the European championships and increasing numbers will have seen what sort of football wins titles. Looking through the list of teams like Leeds, Crewe, Peterborough etc I'd hardly say they're associated with hoofball and I don't think a good many others will go down that route either. Times are slowly changing. Even City are supposedly getting central defenders who can pass and, unless there's going to be a mass exodus, there's every indication that the rest of our team will compliment that development. If that view proves over optimistic I apologise in advance.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Swansea were promoted last year playing some neat and attractive football. Besides, if League One defences are as uncultured as so many people have made out, a bit of free flowing football along the floor may leave them clueless.
AmericanScott Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Im actually a fan of hoofball. I do prefer stylish pass around on the ground but hoofball is like watching live roulette.
davieG Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Swansea were promoted last year playing some neat and attractive football.Besides, if League One defences are as uncultured as so many people have made out, a bit of free flowing football along the floor may leave them clueless. Trouble is our team is clueless
Daggers Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Is this mega hoof a good spectacle Was watching 10 men fail to defend coherently for 90 minutes while hoofing the ball upfield for no one to score particularly exhilarating last season?
lookwhaticando Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Was watching 10 men fail to defend coherently for 90 minutes while hoofing the ball upfield for no one to score particularly exhilarating last season? It took my breath away.
He's not bald Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Spain don't hoofball so why the hell should we. Who cares!..let's just win back to back and go from there!
Lovejoy Posted 5 July 2008 Posted 5 July 2008 Look at Swansea and Donny Rovers alst year! They attempted to play proper football. However personally I believe in this division even if you don't want to play hoofball, you should still have the personel to play it as a plan b. Anyway, last season we played hoofball anyway. None of this passing rubbish, just hoof to Steve Howard everytime.
Daggers Posted 6 July 2008 Posted 6 July 2008 Spain don't hoofball so why the hell should we. Nor do Manchester United...although they may have to resort to it now that Ronaldo is going under the knife - which would be the same if we lost Porter again. Almost identical in fact.
Flynny Posted 6 July 2008 Posted 6 July 2008 United do play a lot of direct passing on the break. It's not technically hoofball but it's closish and still attractive. It's static, war of attrition football lacking in all technique that no-one wants. When you play like that long-ball becomes the only option.
demon_dog Posted 6 July 2008 Posted 6 July 2008 Hoofball is ok if you have some big guys to win the ball. How high can Porter jump?
RedHux Posted 6 July 2008 Posted 6 July 2008 Leeds were actually one of the worst teams for hoofball untill Mcallister arrived last year. The team that wins that league always seem to play good, quick on the ground football. At least for the three years we were there they did. A lot of them haven't got the skill though and make the best with what they've got. I think you should stick to whatever it is you lot do.
Flynny Posted 7 July 2008 Posted 7 July 2008 Leeds were actually one of the worst teams for hoofball untill Mcallister arrived last year. The team that wins that league always seem to play good, quick on the ground football. At least for the three years we were there they did. A lot of them haven't got the skill though and make the best with what they've got. I think you should stick to whatever it is you lot do. Lose?
GloverFox Posted 8 July 2008 Posted 8 July 2008 We'll certainly lose if we go into the matches thinking we have a right to win! Over the past 8 years (being a southern exile) I've seen a lot of Conference thru' League 1 footy and believe me most of these teams can play some very good pacey football, but a lot of teams don't own a depth of squad to be able to massively change formations and styles of play to suit and so the long ball is often used as an attempt to get those all so important points on the doors. I think a lot of folks will be surprised by the quality some of these teams can produce both in players and ground surfaces, although some grounds leave a lot to be desired .... like no roofs over stands and little quality in the way of facilities (for both home and away fans) ... an interesting season beckons ... and if we fair poorly its because we deserve too, a solid positive attitude is required to get through this League ... and if Hoofball develops we need to punish the opposition by use of the possession that style of football lends itself to (hell, the opposition are giving you the ball back at every chance usually), play fast short passing football and hit 'em hard and often and make set plays count every time
RedHux Posted 8 July 2008 Posted 8 July 2008 This chap is spot on. ^^^^ Also you'll have to deal with teams coming to the crisp bowl and not playing at all. 11 players behind the ball's boring, annoying and tricky to break down.
Bryn Posted 8 July 2008 Posted 8 July 2008 Teams should be flexible. Able to play in a number of ways. If you spot that the opposition has small defenders, or a small fullback who's having trouble with the long ball, then why bother try to pass round them? Launch it into the channel and get the goal. If the side you're up against deals with this with ease, as most teams do, you need to have a bit of invention, a bit of creativity and imagination to be able to get the ball past them and into dangerous areas. I don't believe in absolute philosophies, I believe you have to play in a way that suits the players you have whilst maximising the weaknesses of the opposition. And I think this season we need to be able to change the way we play to make sure we can win as many games as possible. I'd like to think that we wouldn't just approach every game looking to lump it forward like last season though.
Father Ted Posted 8 July 2008 Posted 8 July 2008 Many have stated that league 1 is a difficult league to get out of (upwards anyway!)Many have added that teams play some kind of hoofball on steroids, and it allows for little skill, only muscle and speed. Do we all agree with this? Are we going to have to play this high octane hoof to escape. Is this mega hoof a good spectacle, or are we going to sit through Wimbledon V Wimbledon every game this season? I don't mind - as long as it wins us games!
GloverFox Posted 9 July 2008 Posted 9 July 2008 This chap is spot on. ^^^^Also you'll have to deal with teams coming to the crisp bowl and not playing at all. 11 players behind the ball's boring, annoying and tricky to break down. You've clearly seen the mentally of some of these team then RedHux?, but hell ... it's effective ... and it can make your heckles rise ... they play everything tight, the opposition get's frustrated and then in one swift move the bar-stewards steal a goal and close the shop front up again ... so frustrating, so dull and so three points lost and these teams can get away with week in week out! 'Bates' Bastards' last season played some very confining footy, often just grinding down the running plays and taking minimal chances with an long balls, until the last ten minutes when they appeared to simply 'blitz' the opposition, knocking in a winner in the last ten minutes ... I'm hoping we can be more entertaining than that, but expect us to control and determine the rate of play and if that means strangling an opposition in midfield ... then so be it!
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