Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[MooseBreath]

The thing is when people call terrorism, it usually is.

[Jordan]

Maybe he was a "troubled loner."

No terrorist attack has ever been perpetrated by a "troubled loner."

Right.

[leicsmac]

The thing is when people call terrorism, it usually is.

As I believe it to be in this case, though I'm going to wait for him to be caught before saying that with any certainty. I'm just interested in the distinction between "troubled loner" and "terrorist" based on demographic that many people seem to engage in when various stories like this break and we're not sure of all the facts yet.

[Webbo]

Even if it was terrorism, nobody's ever said white people don't indulge in terrorism..

[Jordan]

At the least, the police are already considering this to be a "hate crime."

But the real point of leicsmac posting this is that the shooter is unquestionably a cvnt. Of that, we can all be certain.

What a complete and utter cvnt.

[MooseBreath]

As I believe it to be in this case, though I'm going to wait for him to be caught before saying that with any certainty. I'm just interested in the distinction between "troubled loner" and "terrorist" based on demographic that many people seem to engage in when various stories like this break and we're not sure of all the facts yet.

You're talking in riddles. You think people are too quick to label Muslims terrorists when reports emerge of Muslims killing people? Is that what you're saying? Because it usually turns out to be true.

[leicsmac]

You're talking in riddles. You think people are too quick to label Muslims terrorists when reports emerge of Muslims killing people? Is that what you're saying? Because it usually turns out to be true.

I'm saying that when Muslims kill people, it's by definition terrorism based on an overarching ideology, whereas when white guys kill people, it's just some lone nutter with no ideological purpose beyond him being crazy. That's the double standard.

[MooseBreath]

I'm saying that when Muslims kill people, it's by definition terrorism based on an overarching ideology, whereas when white guys kill people, it's just some lone nutter with no ideological purpose beyond him being crazy. That's the double standard.

Is that a double standard or is it just the truth? Obviously muslim terrorists are acting based on a common ideological purpose. White nutters might also have their own ideological purpose but I'm not aware of any common ideological theme that draws them all together in the same way that islam does with muslim terrorists.

[Webbo]

I'm saying that when Muslims kill people, it's by definition terrorism based on an overarching ideology, whereas when white guys kill people, it's just some lone nutter with no ideological purpose beyond him being crazy. That's the double standard.

This white guy is very likely a white supremacist. If he committed hit crime on behalf of a racist organisation or had training at some training camp run by them then it's fair to say he's a terrorist If he's some lone nutjob then it's fair to say he's a troubled loner.

 

Terrorism is a hate crime too.

[Danno]

Is that a double standard or is it just the truth? Obviously muslim terrorists are acting based on a common ideological purpose. White nutters might also have their own ideological purpose but I'm not aware of any common ideological theme that draws them all together in the same way that islam does with muslim terrorists.

But they're still terrorists if they kill people for their own ideological purpose..

[leicsmac]

Is that a double standard or is it just the truth? Obviously muslim terrorists are acting based on a common ideological purpose. White nutters might also have their own ideological purpose but I'm not aware of any common ideological theme that draws them all together in the same way that islam does with muslim terrorists.

 

White supremacy. And also...

 

But they're still terrorists if they kill people for their own ideological purpose..

 

This.

 

 

 

This white guy is very likely a white supremacist. If he committed hit crime on behalf of a racist organisation or had training at some training camp run by them then it's fair to say he's a terrorist If he's some lone nutjob then it's fair to say he's a troubled loner.

 

Terrorism is a hate crime too.

 

This is fair, though I'd say with the ease of access to indoctrinating material via the Internet and to guns and ranges on which to practice them in the US training camps are becoming less necessary for such home-grown acts, regardless of ideology.

[MooseBreath]

White supremacy

Do white supremacists kill in the same proportion as muslim extremists?

[Danno]

Do white supremacists kill in the same proportion as muslim extremists?

Why does it matter? White supremacy led to millions of non whites being gassed in World War II.

[Finnegan]

Do white supremacists kill in the same proportion as muslim extremists?

Is it a competition? Is there a league, an award? I might be on the wrong side here, White Hippy Liberals are right down the table.

[Guest MattP]

Liberals showing some compassion to christians who have been massacred, never seen this before and I'm not sure what to think of it to be honest. Gunman must have been white as fcuk.

[MooseBreath]

Why does it matter?

In the context of leicsmac's point, if the white supremacist ideology is hardly ever the cause of these kind of events, while islam is regularly the cause of these type of events, tthen it's no real surprise that people distinguish between the two.

[Finnegan]

Liberals showing some compassion to christians who have been massacred, never seen this before and I'm not sure what to think of it to be honest. Gunman must have been white as fcuk.

There are occasions where you seriously let yourself down, Matt.

[leicsmac]

Do white supremacists kill in the same proportion as muslim extremists?

 

Would have to do some serious data mining to find that one out. Would be interesting, I would think.

 

In the context of leicsmac's point, if the white supremacist ideology is hardly ever the cause of these kind of events, while islam is regularly the cause of these type of events, tthen it's no real surprise that people distinguish between the two.

 

I'm pretty sure that whenever a white guy shoots up a group of people of different skin colour it's because they believe themselves to be superior to them. I'm also pretty sure that whenever a Muslim blows up a group of white people that they believe themselves to be superior to them too.

 

There should be more evenhandedness in how such incidents are described based on the demographic of the perpetrator. That's my point.

[bovril]

Looking at the pictures of him just released, he should have shot his hairdresser.

[MPH]

I'm saying that when Muslims kill people, it's by definition terrorism based on an overarching ideology, whereas when white guys kill people, it's just some lone nutter with no ideological purpose beyond him being crazy. That's the double standard.

 

 

 

Its often  done on orders from people higher up the chain of command by their terrorist friendship group

[Lionator]

I don't see why people get so butt hurt as to what it's labelled as? Lives have been lost unnecessarily and it's a tragedy. 

[Danno]

Butt hurt

[Jattdogg]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/11688579/Man-kills-three-after-plowing-car-into-shoppers-before-getting-out-and-stabbing-bystanders.html

Sure he may have mental illness but still a ****

[Wymsey]

Have a feeling it's politically-motivated; he's from Bosnia apparently and the two countries haven't had strong relations with each other in the past.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Is that a double standard or is it just the truth? Obviously muslim terrorists are acting based on a common ideological purpose. White nutters might also have their own ideological purpose but I'm not aware of any common ideological theme that draws them all together in the same way that islam does with muslim terrorists.

Well said, and very true.