Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Collier]

That Peckham Terminator guy.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

All child killers and paedophiles should be killed preferrably by other prisoners.................................... to save tax money

:thumbup: :chant:

[Steven]

Sorry but you forfeit your right to existence when you perpetrate these acts.

Why shouldn't somebody terminate you for having such views. It is a dangerous path to go down.

[FoxyPV]

Why shouldn't somebody terminate you for having such views. It is a dangerous path to go down.

Killing those who are child killers or serial paedophiles would offend no one and it isn't the case where someone can get wrongly accused either.

[Jon the Hat]

Huntley does and should have the right to sue the prison service becuase they failed to maintain his safety while he was in their care. Prisoners have no other recourse to protect their rights in prison. Of course the parents of Holly and Jessica should then get any monies he were to gain, either by suing or by some other means.

He should be dead blah blah etc, yes probably, but in that case the law needs changing to allow the Death Penalty for cases such as these. Personally I think being jailed for life (literally) would be more punishment than being allowed the easy way out.

Also note that the reason why we don't allow people who are emotionally involved make decisions like this is becuase it is very very hard to put emotion aside and be rational. Revenge is not the purpose of the criminal justice system.

[FoxyPV]

Revenge is not the purpose of the criminal justice system.

Justice is just another word for revenge. The families affected always want to see justice done i.e their revenge comes from seeing the perpetrator of the crime punished.

[Alexikokopops]

Justice is just another word for revenge. The families affected always want to see justice done i.e their revenge comes from seeing the perpetrator of the crime punished.

Not necessarily.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Bring back hanging, for murderers, and all forms of sex offenders. Time to clean up the country.

[Houdini Logic]

Never understood Capital punishment myself - put simply -

'Hey society - that guy was really bad because he killed people, so we're going to kill him because we're...errr.... good'

Yeah, doesn't add up really

[Houdini Logic]

Bring back hanging, for murderers, and all forms of sex offenders. Time to clean up the country.

Bring back hanging for people that read The Sun

[Bellend Sebastian]

Bring back hanging, for murderers, and all forms of sex offenders. Time to clean up the country.

So if you were 16 and shagged a 15 year old you'd be killed by the state?

It seems a tad harsh, DT.

It would probably be a bit easier for me to find a parking space though

[Alexikokopops]

Bring back hanging, for murderers, and all forms of sex offenders. Time to clean up the country.

But what about people who are wrongly convicted? Just today there was the story about Sion Jenkins, who was locked up for six years and later released. Under your system he would have been killed, even though he was later acquitted of the crime.

Never understood Capital punishment myself - put simply -

'Hey society - that guy was really bad because he killed people, so we're going to kill him because we're...errr.... good'

Yeah, doesn't add up really

Maybe we could widen the punishment. Convicted of rape? Then you'll get a good raping yourself! Break someone's nose? Don't worry, the Government will break yours back and send you on your way. It'd work a treat. Doing bad stuff becomes good if you don't like the person it's done to.

[hairy]

But what about people who are wrongly convicted? Just today there was the story about Sion Jenkins, who was locked up for six years and later released. Under your system he would have been killed, even though he was later acquitted of the crime.

Not sure if that is the best example as he was released due to two retrial jurys being unable to come to a decision. They could not find him not guilty and the could not find him guilty so he walks.

[Steven]

Bring back hanging, for murderers, and all forms of sex offenders. Time to clean up the country.

I would be in favour of this if and only if 100 proponents of capital punishment were hanged every time there is a wrongful conviction and hanging of someone.

[Guest Bilo]

Never understood Capital punishment myself - put simply -

'Hey society - that guy was really bad because he killed people, so we're going to kill him because we're...errr.... good'

Yeah, doesn't add up really

And it doesn't work either.

The US has the death penalty in many states but also one of the highest murder rates in the developed world. That deterrent idea isn't really working then. As well as the example of Sion Jenkins Alex has pointed out, there is always the possibility of convicting and killing the wrong person.

[Guest]

Why am I not surprised a PCSO is in favour of capital punishment?

[davieG]

Why am I not surprised a PCSO is in favour of capital punishment?

Hi stranger.

[Guest]

Hi stranger.

are you going to be in t'pub on Saturday?

[Zingari]

Britain.

The rates for unlawful killings in Britain have more than doubled since abolition of capital punishment in 1964 from 0.68 per 100,000 of the population to 1 .42 per 100,000.

Home Office figures show around unlawful killings 300 in 1964, which rose to 565 in 1994 and 833 in 2004. The principal methods of homicide were fights involving fists and feet, poisoning, strangling, firearms and cutting by glass or a broken bottle. 72% of the victims were male with young men being most at risk. Convictions for the actual crime of murder (as against manslaughter and other unlawful killings) have been rising inexorably. Between 1900 and 1965 they ran at an average of 29 per year. There were 57 in 1965 – the first year of abolition. Ten years later the total for the year was 107 which rose to 173 by 1985 and 214 in 1995. The figure for 2005 is 280. There have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the period between 1965 and 1998 according to Home Office statistics. Some 6,300 people are currently serving sentences of “life in prison” for murder.

Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965-1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true, it does not tell one how society has changed over nearly 40 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It is impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct whilst tight gun control had begun to reduce the number of shootings, however, drug related gun crime is on the increase and there have been a spate of child murders recently. Stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have done something as minor as arguing with someone or jostling them in a crowd, i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in most Western countries, greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries

Edited 10 August 2010 by Zingari

[Alexikokopops]

Not sure if that is the best example as he was released due to two retrial jurys being unable to come to a decision. They could not find him not guilty and the could not find him guilty so he walks.

What can I say? I'm an incredibly lazy person

[James.]

And it doesn't work either.

The US has the death penalty in many states but also one of the highest murder rates in the developed world. That deterrent idea isn't really working then. As well as the example of Sion Jenkins Alex has pointed out, there is always the possibility of convicting and killing the wrong person.

I think that's a slightly over-simplified argument. The murder rate is not simply a function of the potential punishment, there are a plethora of other factors relating to culture, wealth, history, economics, etc.

I'm not saying I'm in favour of the death penalty. I'm not. But using the USA as an example of justifying why we shouldn't have it is flawed.

Edited 11 August 2010 by James.

[Houdini Logic]

Britain.

The rates for unlawful killings in Britain have more than doubled since abolition of capital punishment in 1964 from 0.68 per 100,000 of the population to 1 .42 per 100,000.

Home Office figures show around unlawful killings 300 in 1964, which rose to 565 in 1994 and 833 in 2004. The principal methods of homicide were fights involving fists and feet, poisoning, strangling, firearms and cutting by glass or a broken bottle. 72% of the victims were male with young men being most at risk. Convictions for the actual crime of murder (as against manslaughter and other unlawful killings) have been rising inexorably. Between 1900 and 1965 they ran at an average of 29 per year. There were 57 in 1965 – the first year of abolition. Ten years later the total for the year was 107 which rose to 173 by 1985 and 214 in 1995. The figure for 2005 is 280. There have been 71 murders committed by people who have been released after serving "life sentences" in the period between 1965 and 1998 according to Home Office statistics. Some 6,300 people are currently serving sentences of “life in prison” for murder.

Statistics were kept for the 5 years that capital punishment was suspended in Britain (1965-1969) and these showed a 125% rise in murders that would have attracted a death sentence. Whilst statistically all this is true, it does not tell one how society has changed over nearly 40 years. It may well be that the murder rate would be the same today if we had retained and continued to use the death penalty. It is impossible to say that only this one factor affects the murder rate. Easier divorce has greatly reduced the number of domestic murders, unavailability of poisons has seen poisoning become almost extinct whilst tight gun control had begun to reduce the number of shootings, however, drug related gun crime is on the increase and there have been a spate of child murders recently. Stabbings have increased dramatically as have the kicking and beating to death of people who have done something as minor as arguing with someone or jostling them in a crowd, i.e. vicious and virtually motiveless killings. As in most Western countries, greatly improved medical techniques have saved many victims who would have previously died from their injuries

There is also a correlation between the increase in sea level and the decline in peglegged pirates

[Nick]

are you going to be in t'pub on Saturday?

I am too aiming to be, yes depending on a certain mans access to 'wifecabs' !

N.

[hairy]

Why am I not surprised a PCSO is in favour of capital punishment?

Is that what they call the SPG these days?

[davieG]

are you going to be in t'pub on Saturday?

Not sure yet, it will depend on what my son is doing, Not Val the other one.