Absolute *** of our time Pt.MXXVI

[Zingari]

Maybe Nick Griffen has mental health issues , maybe we all have if we get the right psychiatrist to diagnose us if needed .

Seems to be a common cop out to me

[Finnegan]

Not read the full report, but if he does have mental health problems he is not full responsible for his actions. There are a few people in similar positions and maybe should be in a care home. But because of cutbacks places are being closed down and staff cutbacks. I'm not talking about the secure places so this would either be free to come and go or have somebody with him. A lot are placed into the community with home visits. But as I said I dont know all the facts and its hard to have an opinion seeing just one side.

As its been said there are far worse people about.

For a start, let's just be clear, there's no mention of his mental health and I'm not diagnosing him based on one crap tabloid article. I'm merely pointing out that behaviour such as that isn't "normal" for a healthy individual and that it smacks of someone with serious emotional control issues and massive insecurity that's often the result of anxiety or depressive disorders. I'm not qualified to make that judgement professionally, it's just an opinion based on what I know about mental health.

Secondly, a care home? It's 2011, not 1811. You don't get slapped in a "home" for being anxious, insecure or paranoid. He's not a criminally insane psychotic, is he? He's just a bit of a social-awkward weirdo who pushed the limits of decency and harassed his other half (albeit severely.)

Even in cases of severe mental health, physical disability and learning disabilities these days, social services are generally more about funding people's further inclusion within the wider than actually taking them out of it. "Homes" are more and more becoming a thing of the past and we're pumping more and more resources (in the public and third sectors as well as increasingly more so the subsidized private) into access to the community. My mother, for example, suffers with horrendously far-progressed MS but the state would never favour her admittance to a "home" over grants for social-care within her own environment. She has in-house personal assistants and supervisory carers from 8 til' 8 on a daily basis but is otherwise free to live her life as best she can within her village.

Which is becoming a norm, now, not an oddity. On my way to work walking down Fosse Road I pass about four or five women I recognize as personal carers, coming and going to people's houses in the morning.

[davieG]

When is a **** not a ****, maybe they just rank as clits

[Zingari]

Finnegan , Shouldn’t you be walking to work now ?

You start at 12 remember and it takes you an hour so you’ll have not only walked there and been 4 hours early ,but managed to be there late as well on the same day

edit

sorry the round trip is an hour , but still you ought to be thinking of getting a move on

Edited 21 September 2011 by Zingari

[Rincewind]

Maybe I was a little OTT with my comments. I do realise that people are not put in in homes for the slightest thing. There could be many reasons why the bloke acted as he did depression to just being an unsociable person. The courts and experts would have a better idea at his trial. The news papers are not experts and their job is to sell papers and make the story sound good.

The bloke in the flat next to me has had mental health problems, drug and drink related. He has a support worker from the Housing assosiation but he is rarely in when the come to visit. They leave a note 'to call to arrange another time. Dont know if he does.I believe he is also taken advantage by 'mates'

He is a quiet person, never known him to lose his temper. He doesnt work. Told me when he moved in that he had an incident with some machinary at factory so is unable to work. Could be more to it than that.

[Head Honcho]

This is pretty fvcked up

Fvcked up I'll agree but surely she should have known who'd taken the sexually explicit photo's of her?

[FoxyPV]

Eh, it's one side of the story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning his actions at all but you don't know much about the lad's mental health, either, and it's not really surprising that the Daily Mail don't stop to consider it before piling on the abuse. It's not like he was physically or even directly emotionally abusive. I imagine he cared for her a lot but was cripplingly insecure about her life away (hardly unsurprising, either, he's batting way above his average there, mate!)

I'd put cashmonies on her getting over it long before him.

I'd say he was directly being pretty ****ing abusive - that he was doing it behind a computer screen means **** all. So because he cared for her and was insecure that was reason enough to do something like that. C'mon Finners, that's the kind of excuses blokes who beat their partners use.

She may get over him but maybe not the trauma of being so roundly ****ed over by someone who supposedly cared for her

Fvcked up I'll agree but surely she should have known who'd taken the sexually explicit photo's of her?

True

[Finnegan]

But he wasn't beating her, was he? Or even anything close.

And if you read what I said, at no point am I saying his actions are okay but I think falling for the trap of denouncing this BOY as some ultimate cvnt off the back of some Daily Mail half-story is a little below your usual par, tbh.

Ps, Zingari, I got here bang on 12.

[Webbo]

Just because something's in the Daily Mail doesn't mean it's not true. The man has been found guilty in court, that would suggest that there's something in it.

It's in The Guardian now so it must be true.

Edited 21 September 2011 by Webbo

[Webbo]

Fvcked up I'll agree but surely she should have known who'd taken the sexually explicit photo's of her?

At one point Miss Jeffery became suspicious that her boyfriend was the culprit as only he had access to the photographs and certain information used in the emails.

But Webber, of Nottingham, convinced her that they had been stolen from his computer by a friend. Miss Jeffery reported the friend to police and his computer was seized.

When no trace of the emails or photos was found Webber came up with more lies about how they could have been taken.

He was eventually caught when police traced an email to his computer.

[Guest BlueBrett]

What a dopey girl and what a funny thinking fat jabber

[FoxyPV]

But he wasn't beating her, was he? Or even anything close.

And if you read what I said, at no point am I saying his actions are okay but I think falling for the trap of denouncing this BOY as some ultimate cvnt off the back of some Daily Mail half-story is a little below your usual par, tbh.

Ps, Zingari, I got here bang on 12.

For argument's sake, emotional abuse isn't as bad as physical abuse? I'm being mildly facetious but you get my drift.

Maybe not an ultimate cvnt but certainly up there. It's a symbolic story rather than a specific story.

[Phube]

For a start, let's just be clear, there's no mention of his mental health and I'm not diagnosing him based on one crap tabloid article. I'm merely pointing out that behaviour such as that isn't "normal" for a healthy individual and that it smacks of someone with serious emotional control issues and massive insecurity that's often the result of anxiety or depressive disorders. I'm not qualified to make that judgement professionally, it's just an opinion based on what I know about mental health.

Not taking any sides... for once, but the emboldened statement could be levelled at nearly all the ***** in this thread; including the sick child abusers. Because that is certainly NOT 'normal' behaviour, but where does a mental illness lose its sympathy value?

[Finnegan]

Not taking any sides... for once, but the emboldened statement could be levelled at nearly all the ***** in this thread; including the sick child abusers. Because that is certainly NOT 'normal' behaviour, but where does a mental illness lose its sympathy value?

I think some people have the capacity for evil without being sick.

But generally I'd say "sympathy" is the wrong word. As stated, I'm not saying those with mental illness should be unaccountable for crimes (and, to reiterate, I'm not saying that the boy in question definitely was ill) but just because someone has done something completely atrocious, even taken a life, should you ever stop trying to help them? To improve their mental state to a point where they may not be a danger?

[Phube]

Again death penalty should be an option! Scum

London parents 'force-fed baby until death'

The parents of a 10-month-old girl used a jug to force-feed her until she died, the Old Bailey has heard.

The baby was made to take solid foods, including meat and cereals, through a spout probably for months until her death in March 2010, jurors heard.

She collapsed and died from pneumonia caused by her airways being filled.

Her mother, 31, and father, 37, who lived in east London and cannot be named, deny allowing or causing the girl's death through force-feeding.

'Distressed and choking'

The court heard the girl's mother was a nurse and her parents had been giving her solids from the age of six months.

They also have three other children who had all displayed signs of inappropriate feeding and had been warned about the dangers of force feeding, jurors heard.

Continue reading the main story

Andrew Edis QC, prosecuting, said: "This is a very sad case. She died because of the method by which her parents chose to feed her at the time she was being introduced to solid food.

"The allegation is one of force-feeding. If you have a child who is distressed and choking, you do not carry on."

Jurors were told the child was given no choice and the food had overflowed into her lungs.

Mr Edis said: "It involved the use of jugs - pouring food into the mouth of the child.

"The spout was placed into the mouth of the child to prevent her closing it when she did not want any more - to prevent her having any choice."

He said, being a nurse, the mother would have "a degree of extra insight".

"An ordinary mother would think twice or more before using a jug to pour food into the mouth of a child," he added.

The trial was adjourned until Friday.

Edited 24 September 2011 by Phube

[Rincewind]

I was going to say the parents may have neen ill-educated until I read the part that she was a trained nurse. Now I dont know what to think.

[Head Honcho]

This couple must have a serious mental problem so ACOOT may not be the right tag for them.

As abhorrent as it is no one in their right mind would act in such a way surely!

They were warned about the dangers of force feeding, so how did the social services allow this to happen?

We don't know the full story and maybe shouldn't make such comments until we do, but I feel it will be another case of "we will learn from our mistakes" by the social services again.

[Head Honcho]

I was going to say the parents may have neen ill-educated until I read the part that she was a trained nurse. Now I dont know what to think.

It doesn't say anything about trained nurse just "was a nurse"...........that could mean anything.

[Rincewind]

True. It was a bit vague. Possible volunteer. I would have thought though even a trainee would need qualifications of some sort Even if its only GSCE but more likely A and O levels. and be at uni.

[Phube]

Really, how much education do you need NOT to feed a baby like a Suffragette!

This is where compulsory sterilization comes in... these people are not fit to look after animals, let alone children...

[davieG]

Is the fact the she was a nurse of any standing relevant surely anyone, even a 10 year old (criminal age of responsibility I believe) would know this isn't normal

[Rincewind]

You need a little common sense which clearly they never had and I would have thought common sense and some interlect would be needed to even train as a nurse of any description. So I would be curious as to what kind and what level she had been trained to. Just to clear things as to how much emphasis should be put on it. The article is deliberately unclear so to get reaction.

[Steven]

This bus company. What a way to treat a partially sighted 98 year old

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-15038049

[Fox92]

This person, a Spurs fan. Yet again, football rivalry taken too far.

AN internet troll has targeted England footballer Jack Wilshere, saying he hopes the star's newborn son "dies of cot death".

The sick message was posted on Twitter three days after Archie's birth.

Injured Arsenal star Wilshere, 19, refused to respond to the twisted taunt.

The Sun can today reveal the man who posted the message is plasterer James Crispin, 24, of Dagenham, Essex — a fan of Arsenal's rivals Tottenham.

He also tweeted that all Arsenal fans should be GASSED, adding: "Hitler had the right idea."

Crispin's dad Russell, 51, last night branded his son's behaviour "sick". He added: "I'm disgusted with him. He was drunk in the pub. He was being egged on by his mates."

http://www.thesun.co...-baby-dies.html

Edited 7 October 2011 by Fox92

[Ilkeston_Fox]

Is the fact the she was a nurse of any standing relevant surely anyone, even a 10 year old (criminal age of responsibility I believe) would know this isn't normal

Correct