Houdini Logic Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Might to you, but makes no fifference to me, and no i'm not niave, my background is niether white nor muslim, so hence I have inherent sympthathies to either. I have seen Sikhs protest and rasie some very disgusting banners, and I was just as much horrified as I am now!! Again nothing wrong against protesting, but using hatred against hatred doesn't wash by me!!On your second point, i've highlighted THERE, as in Mr Chaudary's moronic Islamic group and read my previous point\post, nobody said the whole of the muslim community, this is a minority of the whole Muslim populus, but the fact still remains there conjunction is there faith, which in Chaudary's case most would say a distorted cersion!!! YOU GIVE IT A BREAK, if you don't like what I post then don't fookin read it or respond to it!!! So they're Muslim. Again - why is this relevant? I also don't think you understand the meaning of give it a break - it's not an invitation for a fight
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 So they're Muslim.Again - why is this relevant? I also don't think you understand the meaning of give it a break - it's not an invitation for a fight Let's move love, not war!! Mate, so an Islamic group organised the protest against soldiers who went to war against Islamics, who's placards make that distinction (calling soldiers anglican, not british), has nothing to do with there religion!!! Who's leader has an agenda of pro Islamism!!! It's like saying the 'English' demonstration oat the clock tower has nothing to do with the demonstrators roganisers being white!!!!
Daggers Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 It's at times like this in threads like these I wonder to myself - what would Jade Goody do?
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 It's at times like this in threads like these I wonder to myself - what would Jade Goody do? Do you watch Peppa Pig, Daggermania????
Daggers Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Do you watch Peppa Pig, Daggermania???? I'm planning to, with all my free time next season, when I'm not going to games.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I'm planning to, with all my free time next season, when I'm not going to games. It's great, you remind me of Daddy Pig!!
Corky Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 It's great, you remind me of Daddy Pig!! I think a demonstration is called for after that comment
Daggers Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 It's great, you remind me of Daddy Pig!! Your face.
Daggers Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I think a demonstration is called for after that comment I'll set one up now...
Houdini Logic Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Let's move love, not war!! Mate, so an Islamic group organised the protest against soldiers who went to war against Islamics, who's placards make that distinction (calling soldiers anglican, not british), has nothing to do with there religion!!! Who's leader has an agenda of pro Islamism!!! It's like saying the 'English' demonstration oat the clock tower has nothing to do with the demonstrators roganisers being white!!!! Something tells me we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Regardless of what views Mr Choudhary has (and let's not hide it - some are ****ing absurd), regardless of what clothes they were wearing, regardless of who they pray to at night - the protestors were there to protest against innocent lives being lost in a war which should never have happenned under the UN Charter. I've given up thinking about the war itself - that doesn't bother me anymore - what does bother me is the ethnocentric newspapers instantly jumping in to attack these 'Islamist extremists' with 'hate for heroes'. It's outright racism. If these were white war protesters the headlines would be VERY different. I've said all i want to say on this matter and i assume you have too, so time to move on...
Houdini Logic Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I'll set one up now... Fred Phelps. Don't even get me started....
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Something tells me we're not going to see eye to eye on this.Regardless of what views Mr Choudhary has (and let's not hide it - some are ****ing absurd), regardless of what clothes they were wearing, regardless of who they pray to at night - the protestors were there to protest against innocent lives being lost in a war which should never have happenned under the UN Charter. I've given up thinking about the war itself - that doesn't bother me anymore - what does bother me is the ethnocentric newspapers instantly jumping in to attack these 'Islamist extremists' with 'hate for heroes'. It's outright racism. If these were white war protesters the headlines would be VERY different. I've said all i want to say on this matter and i assume you have too, so time to move on... Again, nobody says you can't protest, it's the manner, timing and who it's aimed at, that's the problem, as stated about x million times!!! In Chaudary's case and these protest, it's the motive and what aims he has, which is very dangerous to the average muslim!! I totally agree with you on the media stance, they sell newpspapers by sensationalism and fear, islamophoba in particular is an easy subject to pick and it sells, again Chaudary and his pro Islamist goons haven't helped!!!
Guest Bilo Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Fred Phelps.Don't even get me started.... The only time I want to hear about this oxygen thief is if I get 50 points in the deathlist game.
l444ry Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I don't even see how religion comes into play in this one? They were not declaring jihad and they were not stating their hatred for Christianity - they were protesting against War and murder. Just because this group of anti-war protesters sported large beards and muslim attire means that the racist idiots in this country tell them to 'get out'. It's a disgrace. Come on Houdini!!! Of course it was religious. "The protest was organised by former members of Al Muhajiroun, the banned group founded by the radical preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed. Abu Omar and Abu Shadeed were two of the protesters. Yesterday, as the fallout from their hate-filled demonstration reverberated, both of them were unrepentant. Much of the literature Abu Shadeed and Abu Omar were handing out yesterday was of the provocative type favoured by groups such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir and Ahlus Sunnah wal Junnah. One leaflet spoke in favour of imposing sharia law in Britain and installing the caliphate." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-...in-1643089.html
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 It's at times like this in threads like these I wonder to myself - what would Jade Goody do? I'd wear one...
Corky Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 I'll set one up now... More anti-smoking protests are good in my opinion
Guest Mickyblueeyes Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Having spoken to many and seen in many posts, certain questions are arising, such as:Do these muslims consider themselves British, and where is the line between one's faith and one's nation, and certainly a question of integration arises here There double standards There ignorance and there disparity in thought with the rest of Britain The lack of Islamic organisations condemning such acts and the one's that perpetrate such acts Overall, the acts of these minority muslims has lead to wide condemnation and worst of all it has tinged the majority. It has only lead to more Islamophobia and ingorance against them. Such continued acts will only rise to segragation and hate between muslims and non muslims. I believe muslims themselves, need to tackle those that do not represent them and wider society needs to stop wrapping them in cotton wool and let the british muslims with our support, root out those that spread hate!!! Its interesting you say that, what is a "islamic organisation"? The Muslim council of Britain maybe? An organisation which is government backed yet fails to acheive any support in the mainstream muslim population. How can a community have a voice if they are being told who should speak for them? Then when these organisation say or fail to say the right things its the average muslim on the street who takes the flack? Your a Sikh, let me choose a bunch of guys who dont share your or your family or friends values, fund them and say this is your voice on Sikh/British relations, Khalistan, India and minority Sikh thugs...How would you feel? I know a lot of muslim who all feel like that and its unfair to "condemn" them when your not listening to them. Before the Iraq war I spoke to a very well educated dedicated muslim and you know what he told me.Trying to attack An Arab country without first gaining support within the many tribes is set for disaster. Boy was he right why werent Muslims like this consulted maybe just maybe many lives would have been saved!The rash thinking of our government and our senior military commanders are at fault for the tragic events happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. These loony's and there opinions shouldnt even be a issue there have been many ridiculous protest around the world which are simply ignored and given the treatment it deserves.The disgusting thing is our media actually gives them a voice and considers themselves the good guys!
Finnegan Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Its interesting you say that, what is a "islamic organisation"?The Muslim council of Britain maybe? An organisation which is government backed yet fails to acheive any support in the mainstream muslim population. How can a community have a voice if they are being told who should speak for them? Then when these organisation say or fail to say the right things its the average muslim on the street who takes the flack? Your a Sikh, let me choose a bunch of guys who dont share your or your family or friends values, fund them and say this is your voice on Sikh/British relations, Khalistan, India and minority Sikh thugs...How would you feel? I know a lot of muslim who all feel like that and its unfair to "condemn" them when your not listening to them. Before the Iraq war I spoke to a very well educated dedicated muslim and you know what he told me.Trying to attack An Arab country without first gaining support within the many tribes is set for disaster. Boy was he right why werent Muslims like this consulted maybe just maybe many lives would have been saved!The rash thinking of our government and our senior military commanders are at fault for the tragic events happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. These loony's and there opinions shouldnt even be a issue there have been many ridiculous protest around the world which are simply ignored and given the treatment it deserves.The disgusting thing is our media actually gives them a voice and considers themselves the good guys! They should all just go home.... ... put the kettle on and have a biscuit. SEE WOT I DID THAR? LOLOL.
Dr The Singh Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 Its interesting you say that, what is a "islamic organisation"?The Muslim council of Britain maybe? An organisation which is government backed yet fails to acheive any support in the mainstream muslim population. How can a community have a voice if they are being told who should speak for them? Then when these organisation say or fail to say the right things its the average muslim on the street who takes the flack? Your a Sikh, let me choose a bunch of guys who dont share your or your family or friends values, fund them and say this is your voice on Sikh/British relations, Khalistan, India and minority Sikh thugs...How would you feel? I know a lot of muslim who all feel like that and its unfair to "condemn" them when your not listening to them. Before the Iraq war I spoke to a very well educated dedicated muslim and you know what he told me.Trying to attack An Arab country without first gaining support within the many tribes is set for disaster. Boy was he right why werent Muslims like this consulted maybe just maybe many lives would have been saved!The rash thinking of our government and our senior military commanders are at fault for the tragic events happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. These loony's and there opinions shouldnt even be a issue there have been many ridiculous protest around the world which are simply ignored and given the treatment it deserves.The disgusting thing is our media actually gives them a voice and considers themselves the good guys! No difference to anyone else, if they interupted a pro indian rally with 'death' placards, I would be disgusted and for example if it were the infamous Babbar Khalsa that had organised it and wanted to perpetrate hate, I would want them to be outlawed and banned!!!! But know that you brought it up, even after operation Blue Star, Black Thunder, and the indian genocidal attacks there have never been mass riots or violence against the hindu brethren!!! Anyway this issue is totally different, Sikh and Indian\Hindu roots have a far longer relationship!!! Sikhs had an issue with radicalism during the late eighties post Sikh genocidal attacks, they would come to sikh temples, spreading radical ideas and ask for recruits, the UK sikh institutes and general Sikh public totally outlawed and banned them. This lead to alot power struggles for Sikh temples and lead to alot of bloodshed, but the Sikhs cleaned there own backyards before they went trying to clean someone else's!! I have said this before, these morons are a minority, which are staining the majority!! I have alot of muslim friends, who are absolutely distraught with the government for the war in Iraq, and they have a legitimate grievance, but spouting hate and death against 'anglican buthcers' is not the way. It undermines the general muslim population!!! The point is, we have been attacked by radical islamist, hence the media will play on it, as stated before newspapers want to sell, hate and fear make good sellers. Radical guys such as Chaudray need to fook off, I bet if he farted near the rally it would be reported!! Other loony protest may happen, but I bet none of those groups have had links to terrorist attrocities that have directly effected us, and one's that would make the headlines!!
Babylon Posted 12 March 2009 Posted 12 March 2009 The old wives who started these religious tales all those 1000's of years ago, have a lot to answer for.
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