Guest BlueBrett Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Don't worry, chap, I'm sure your man Cameron will sell it off to Rupert Murdoch soon enough. Huh? I thought it was Blair who sheduled weekly Murdoch blowing sessions into his diary.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Huh? Tories = privatise everything. It's not a complicated joke...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Tories = privatise everything.It's not a complicated joke... Oh right. sorry it's just when somebody mentions Murdoch and British politics its usually the equation 'Labour = Soulless Media Whores' that springs to my mind.
FoxyPV Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 course we do , what do oirishmen fook ? Touche sir
l444ry Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 My only comment on this, and the other incidents of violence, is that it proves once again how stupid and naive many of the tories are. After Ian Tomlinson, De Menezes etc one would have thought the lesson that you shouldn’t automatically believe the police version of events, and assume victims of police violence deserved it, would have been learned. Once again, conservatives prove they don’t care about civil liberties. The party that supported Pinochet is alive and well.
l444ry Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 what about the party that supported Bush ? True, the Tories supported him as well.....
Webbo Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 If you read the chap in the wheelchair's blog it seems that he's not such an innocent victim. “The Tory Party HQ!”The energy was rising. We were walking, jogging, running. We were ready. And then we saw it. To the right, a huge courtyard was packed with thousands of students, with thousands more still pouring in. In front of us, a huge glass building towered; it was the Conservative Party’s Headquarters, and it was under attack. The crowd was so tightly packed that even with the wheelchair, it was a huge effort to force our way through. Around half way we gave up. The crowd was swaying. “They’re smashing the windows…” Me and Finlay looked at each other. We knew that we had to make it to the front. Kareem started pushing the wheelchair again, and Finlay cleared a path in front of us. Two rows from the front of the crowd, I saw a close friend, Jonte. He grabbed my arm. “This is so tight, we are going to break the police line any moment now.” Me and Finlay went for one last push, and forced our way to the front. Five riot police stood in front of me, and they looked terrified. Their under-staffing is something that I now see as seriously suspicious. Perhaps the Metropolitan Police are keen to avoid the cuts the rest of us will suffer. “You want to go through?” one policeman asked me. “I want everyone to go through,” I replied. Red smoke billowed from flares, and shattered glass hung from what remained of the windows. The noise from the crowd was deafening. I could see that some students were already inside the headquarters. It wasn’t long before the next surge came. A Mexican wave of bodies. I fell out of my wheelchair and pushed through two cops. Finlay stood behind me, the wheelchair still in his hands. The crowd continued to push. Below my hands, I could feel the smashed glass. The police were batoning the crowd, desperately trying to defend the Conservatives’ HQ. I tried to pull my way through, but my left leg was still trapped under two policemen. The crowd continued to surge. A demonstrator already inside the building grabbed my arms and pulled me through. I cannot describe the sense of achievement I felt at that moment. Scores of demonstrators followed. Finlay came running in with the wheelchair a couple of minutes later. Victorious chants rang in the air; “Tory scum! Tory scum!” “When they say cut back, we say fight back!” But then, the chants changed… “To the stairs! To the stairs!” Two policemen blocking a tiny door were soon brushed aside, and around fifty of us forced our way through before they had a chance to re-seal the entrance. It was an epic mission to the top. Nine floors; eighteen flights of stairs. Two friends carried my wheelchair, and I walked. We couldn’t give up now. When we finally made it to the roof, a feeling of calm descended. I looked over the edge; thousands of students, three massive bonfires and masses of passion still occupied the courtyard. The Tory’s HQ was on it’s last legs. And we were on the roof. This is only the start.
Zingari Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Jody McIntyre eh ? I Thought i remembered that name !! he's always been a fookin troublemaker listen to this song about the jarrow march
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 If you read the chap in the wheelchair's blog it seems that he's not such an innocent victim. I'm sorry but, no. Don't defend that, really. However innocent he is, whatever he's done or whatever his political beliefs and whether or not he's broken the law, there's never an excuse to physically drag someone so obviously defenceless out of his wheelchair and across the road like that. It's not like he's just someone with a dodgy leg or a minor impairment, he's got CP for ****s sakes. He couldn't be less threatening if he tried. He could be the biggest, most pretentious, smarmy, stuck-up student twat on the planet and I wouldn't want to see him be battered about by a policeman.
Zingari Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 couldn't the police just use one of those spike strip "stinger" things on his wheelchair tyres to stop this dangerous hoodlum ?
Webbo Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I'm sorry but, no. Don't defend that, really. However innocent he is, whatever he's done or whatever his political beliefs and whether or not he's broken the law, there's never an excuse to physically drag someone so obviously defenceless out of his wheelchair and across the road like that. It's not like he's just someone with a dodgy leg or a minor impairment, he's got CP for ****s sakes. He couldn't be less threatening if he tried. He could be the biggest, most pretentious, smarmy, stuck-up student twat on the planet and I wouldn't want to see him be battered about by a policeman. I wouldn't want anyone to be battered by the police CP or not, but if he refuses to move then the police have to remove him, wheelchair or not.
StanSP Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I wouldn't want anyone to be battered by the police CP or not, but if he refuses to move then the police have to remove him, wheelchair or not. Yeah but did it have to be in such an aggressive and overzealous way?
Zingari Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 wheelchairs shouldn't be on the public highway , he was breaking the law and causing an obstruction . they should have clamped his wheels and loaded him on to a pick up truck and kept him in a compound until someone stumped up the £200 he got off light in my opinion
Webbo Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Yeah but did it have to be in such an aggressive and overzealous way? How do you drag someone who doesn't want to be dragged in an unaggressive way?
Zingari Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 How do you drag someone who doesn't want to be dragged in an unaggressive way? john sargent managed it on strictly come dancing
StanSP Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 How do you drag someone who doesn't want to be dragged in an unaggressive way? Did he have to drag him and manhandle in? Jody was and could clearly not pose any threat, unless he was holding some invisible AK47 which all escaped our eyes. The policeman could have asked his brother to take him to the side of the road where the policeman dragged him to? Did the policeman have to drag him across the floor?
Jimothy Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I wouldn't want anyone to be battered by the police CP or not, but if he refuses to move then the police have to remove him, wheelchair or not. He's in a wheelchair, by definition it has wheels on it, they could have just pushed the wheelchair down the road. What's he gonna do about it? He can't fight back can he. They didn't have to drag him out of it like they did.
Webbo Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 He's in a wheelchair, by definition it has wheels on it, they could have just pushed the wheelchair down the road. What's he gonna do about it? He can't fight back can he. They didn't have to drag him out of it like they did. I don't know and no apologist for the police either but the bloke obviously went looking for trouble and he got it. Now he's got his platform I'll bet he's delighted.
cambridgefox Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I don't know and no apologist for the police either but the bloke obviously went looking for trouble and he got it. Now he's got his platform I'll bet he's delighted. He didnt moan too much when he got pushed out of his wheelchair by his fellow scum students weeks earlier at the conservative HQ. Show the faces of the trouble makers,perhaps they will never get a job that they are studying for, because of their thuggish behaviour.I for one will not employ them.
Finnegan Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 I wouldn't want anyone to be battered by the police CP or not, but if he refuses to move then the police have to remove him, wheelchair or not. He's in a wheelchair for ****s sakes, he's possibly the easiest individual they could have moved that was there. It might be considered somewhat taboo to physically use his disability to conveniently wheel him away but I'm pretty sure a vast amount of people would agree that that would be better than roughly dragging a severely disabled person across the road. I don't quite understand why you're even bothering defending it. The police get a terrible rep at times, they honestly do, one of my best friends is a policeman and he's got a heart of gold. But there are cocks doing all manner of jobs in the world and the force is no exception, this was clearly the very definition of brutality in the rawest, most unnecessary and most undeniable and indefensible sense. I don't know and no apologist for the police either but the bloke obviously went looking for trouble and he got it. Now he's got his platform I'll bet he's delighted. The second point you make is the one solitary reason why my sympathy is marginally limited - and why I afforded a wry half-smile at Daggers' daft picture. He clearly was out to make a scene and he probably is now privately delighted at the attention drawn to his cause. But for the former point - the police aren't there to judge and deliver justice, the individual in question could obviously have been detained or controlled without such violent measures. What the office in question delivered was a literal and physical punishment that he had no cause to dole out. We're a free, democratic state - not some brutal, fascist regime. We should be appalled. I'm not saying we should use it as an excuse to condemn the entire police force, but that one, specific policeman should be held accountable for his actions. john sargent managed it on strictly come dancing
StanSP Posted 14 December 2010 Posted 14 December 2010 Some more to ponder over (in USA though so don't know what their rules on free speech are ) Again, did such measures, such as the use of the Taser, needed to be used? The student didn't act out of turn and sounds like he was asking a genuine question (there didn't seem to be any uproar from the audience). The police officers here I feel didn't need to hold him down or Taser him; he wasn't lashing out or swearing or provoking the police officers.
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