Plod brutality

[Dr The Singh]

what if this situation had arose at a BNP rally and if she was chanting racist and threatening abuse , would it change your opinions on the police action towards her ?

i'm not implying she was , but the police cannot be expected to take considerations such as size, gender etc , when dealing with crowds . nor the rights and wrongs of the protest , if they are asked to move away several times and do not, they can expect rough treatment , male, female , big or small

anyway , no doubt there will be an inquest and it will be resolved .

we aren't ever likely to agree fully on this

A case of misadventure, both parties could have avioded the incident!!

If your part of a mob, then your gonna get treated as such, but being overly hasty with your baton is not also good!! Both of them should kiss and make up!!!

[Zingari]

A case of misadventure, both parties could have avioded the incident!!

If your part of a mob, then your gonna get treated as such, but being overly hasty with your baton is not also good!! Both of them should kiss and make up!!!

you make me want to come over to you and give you a bit of rough treatment , so we can kiss and make up afterwards , you old separatist you

[Dr The Singh]

you make me want to come over to you and give you a bit of rough treatment , so we can kiss and make up afterwards , you old separatist you

I was hoping you'd say that Zingari, i've been waiting for a long time, me and you might end up being togetherists?????....................................

[Zingari]

I was hoping you'd say that Zingari, i've been waiting for a long time, me and you might end up being togetherists?????....................................

cream on top though

[Jon the Hat]

what if this situation had arose at a BNP rally and if she was chanting racist and threatening abuse , would it change your opinions on the police action towards her ?

i'm not implying she was , but the police cannot be expected to take considerations such as size, gender etc , when dealing with crowds . nor the rights and wrongs of the protest , if they are asked to move away several times and do not, they can expect rough treatment , male, female , big or small

anyway , no doubt there will be an inquest and it will be resolved .

we aren't ever likely to agree fully on this

Not sure that it matters what she said. She has a legal right to protest. If she was being arrested for a crime, say inciting racial hatred then fine, but she wasn't. Perhaps you can explain how hitting people controls a crowd? And why they should be controlled? Where they actually doing anything whihc caused problems before some Plod got over excited?

I would also like to know on what Planet it should be legal for the Police to barricade people into an intersection and keep them there for hours. This is a disgrace.

[Alexikokopops]

If shes wanting to get some justice for whats happened to her Id have thought doing interviews in the press via Max Clifford wasnt the right way to do it? Id have sought proper legal advice - not tried to make a fast buck off it AND earn Clifford a wage in the process.

I'm not denying that. Your point has changed though from "if she's an animal rights activist why is she accepting money for an interview" to "if she wants justice then why is she accepting money for an interview"

[Jon the Hat]

The first copper is in trouble now...

Tomlinson died of internal bleeding not a heart attack.

[Ultra]

Yep, apparently he could be facing a manslaughter charge..

I'll believe that when I see it, though..

[Zingari]

The first copper is in trouble now...

Tomlinson died of internal bleeding not a heart attack.

he was a chronic alcoholic , is that not a symptom ?

but rather more disturbingly , do i not sense that some members of the public are taking a strange kind of pleasure in this development ?

[James.]

he was a chronic alcoholic , is that not a symptom ?

but rather more disturbingly , do i not sense that some members of the public are taking a strange kind of pleasure in this development ?

I take no pleasure from it but I do I find it odd how two pathologists came to completely different conclusions about the cause of death.

And I'm not sure how relevant (or true) the chronic alcohol thing is - it seems pretty clear that the scuffle he had with the police was ultimately responsible for his death.

[stez]

"if he wanted me to move he could've asked me politely"

ha! yeah, ok love, i'm sure you would have too.

[Guest Bilo]

Yep, apparently he could be facing a manslaughter charge..

I'll believe that when I see it, though..

If I thought that this thug was actually going to face justice, I'd be reasonably pleased. Not likely to happen though, past events have shown that it is fairly easy to get away with killing people while working for the police. Just ask the family of Blair Peach, a teacher who died in near identical circumstances in 1979. His family have still not seen anything like justice 30 years on. It would appear that little has changed since.

Blair Peach

[Zingari]

I take no pleasure from it but I do I find it odd how two pathologists came to completely different conclusions about the cause of death.

And I'm not sure how relevant (or true) the chronic alcohol thing is - it seems pretty clear that the scuffle he had with the police was ultimately responsible for his death.

not to me

it may have been a contributary factor but his condition was a factor too ;

from the telegraph ;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...l-bleeding.html

For most healthy 46-year-old men being shoved to the ground would not have been enough to cause such internal damage.

However, Mr Tomlinson was a heavy drinker and both pathologists commented that his liver and heart were both diseased and this is important as it is unusual to find such a degree of scarring on the internal organs of a relatively young man.

[Jon the Hat]

not to me

it may have been a contributary factor but his condition was a factor too ;

from the telegraph ;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/finance...l-bleeding.html

For most healthy 46-year-old men being shoved to the ground would not have been enough to cause such internal damage.

However, Mr Tomlinson was a heavy drinker and both pathologists commented that his liver and heart were both diseased and this is important as it is unusual to find such a degree of scarring on the internal organs of a relatively young man.

So you are suggesting that one rule for the public (take your victim as you find them) and another for the Police (I didn't know he was vulnerable to being hit and pushed to the ground) is appropriate? the police should be aware of the possible consequences of attacking people. If someone physically provokes that attack then they take the risk on themselves, however this is exactly why you cannot go around hitting people and pushing them to the ground without obvious provocation.

[Zingari]

So you are suggesting that one rule for the public (take your victim as you find them) and another for the Police (I didn't know he was vulnerable to being hit and pushed to the ground) is appropriate? the police should be aware of the possible consequences of attacking people. If someone physically provokes that attack then they take the risk on themselves, however this is exactly why you cannot go around hitting people and pushing them to the ground without obvious provocation.

as officers of the law they do have more powers to restrain and use force against the person than the general public and in an ideal world they should do this with the minimum of force , but accidents and misadvetures will always happen . they are only human

i have often seen drunken people pushed quite roughly out of shops /pubs etc and sometimes these people fall to the ground , but would you be so vehement that the shopkeeper /landlord feel the full weight of the law if that person died because of some related health problem , or would you be inclined to see it as a misfortune ?

indeed, would you, or anyone else ( outside his immediate circle )even care ? i very much doubt it .

anyway as i said before, we are hardly likely to agree and may as well just wait for the outcome of the enquiry

or if it goes against your opinion , will you call it a cover up ?

all the best anyway

[Babylon]

Am I right in saying that on the video you see her push the policeman first?

[Zingari]

Am I right in saying that on the video you see her push the policeman first?

i thought i heard him say " let go of me" before he raised his arm to swipe her , this looked just off camera

[Babylon]

i thought i heard him say " let go of me" before he raised his arm to swipe her , this looked just off camera

From what I could see she definitely did something!

[stez]

From what I could see she definitely did something!

she has said she 'pushed' him and 'swore' at him as 'natural reaction'

[Babylon]

she has said she 'pushed' him and 'swore' at him as 'natural reaction'

Well his natural reaction was to smack her with his baton. Silly cow.

[stez]

Well his natural reaction was to smack her with his baton. Silly cow.

exactly what i thought to be honest.

[Bellend Sebastian]

She looks a bit like my old next door neighbour that I accidentally went to bed with.

Therefore, she's evil, and everything she says is complete bollocks.

Let that be the end of it

[Thracian]

Sounds like a copper trying to pick his words very carefully, not wanting to be disloyal but also utterly unable to find any excuse for what went on. Never mind, I'm sure someone will.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090421/tuk-g...le-6323e80.html

[l444ry]

Riot Police To Wear Numbers

Following the fallout from the G20 riots police are to wear football style numbers on their backs at future riots. It is hoped that this will lead to the swift identification of any wrong doers. They will then be shown either the yellow or red cards depending on the nature of the offence, with killing someone earning an automatic two match ban.

The new Metropolitan Police Chief Commissioner Trevor Brooking said "Obviously we hope to select a well balanced force. A solid defence and try to crowd them in midfield. I've got plenty of attacking options obviously. And obviously I'm going to say obviously many times during half time."

The Police are hoping that they can beat all opposition put in front of them. However, they are going to have to watch out for off the ball incidents which are easily picked up on camera. The last thing they want tis to reach the final and have to play an inexperienced line up due to suspensions.

Supporters were asked for their opinion. "Who's the bastards in the black?"

[Zingari]

bump

just wondering if everyone is consistent in their views about the use of force and police brutality ,

or are we more affected by the "outcome" of the alleged brutality .

after a quick skim through, it seems most are consistent