Homophobia at football

[lou]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8197306.stm

Cant say Ive noticed it myself apart from the rent boy chants I guess...

[Sparky]

Chris Basiurski, chair of the Gay Football Supporters Network

If we are all to be treated equally then why the need for this group

[General Smuts]

Have any players actually ever come out the closest once retired?

EDIT: I can only think of Justin Fashanu who came out whilst still playing.

[lou]

Have any players actually ever come out the closest once retired?

EDIT: I can only think of Justin Fashanu who came out whilst still playing.

Good question.... cant think of any - according to Wiki there are no openly gay footballers in the top 4 divisions.

Also found this article which made me laugh a lot.... EDIT I wasnt laughing at Fash by the way just at Cisse's comments and someone being accused of being gay for being single and reading books!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4427718.stm

[Alexikokopops]

Chris Basiurski, chair of the Gay Football Supporters Network

If we are all to be treated equally then why the need for this group

Because not everyone is treated equally. That is, in fact, the point the whole article is trying to make. You only have to look at the Justin Fashanu case and abuse of Sol Campbell to see that.

[Sparky]

Because not everyone is treated equally. That is, in fact, the point the whole article is trying to make. You only have to look at the Justin Fashanu case and abuse of Sol Campbell to see that.

The way i see it is that is a supporter group , are gay supporters treated differently ? Certainly not in my experience

[Sparky]

Back to the article , other than a few bonehead Spurs supporters hurling ridicoulous abuse at Sol Campbell are there any other recent incidents?

Football still has some issues with Racism and Hooliganism im just not convinced at this moment that Homophobia does

[James.]

The way i see it is that is a supporter group , are gay supporters treated differently ? Certainly not in my experience

There's clearly homophobia in football which often manifests itself in chants and comments inside a stadium by fans.

If you were gay and heard some of these things you may be offended. More importantly it may even put you of going to the football entirely. This group is there to, amongst other things, make sure that doesn't happen.

Fair play to them, don't see what the problem is.

[Dr The Singh]

homo chants etc is no different to racist or any other. Is there a problem with homophobia, mmmmmmm, i'm not too sure, I don't feel football thugs go about wanting to intimidate gay supporters, whereas there has been and remnants still remian of racial targetting and intimidation!!!

[davieG]

There's clearly homophobia in football which often manifests itself in chants and comments inside a stadium by fans.

If you were gay and heard some of these things you may be offended. More importantly it may even put you of going to the football entirely. This group is there to, amongst other things, make sure that doesn't happen.

Fair play to them, don't see what the problem is.

General not aimed at homosexuals directly, well at least not knowingly certainly no worse than the sexism as in 'get your tits out for the lads' which is directed at specific people. in fact the most popular chant seems to be 'do you take it up the arse' which seems to be directed equally across male and female victims.

Not that I'm condoning either, just an observation

[James.]

homo chants etc is no different to racist or any other. Is there a problem with homophobia, mmmmmmm, i'm not too sure, I don't feel football thugs go about wanting to intimidate gay supporters, whereas there has been and remnants still remian of racial targetting and intimidation!!!

I'd agree that it's not as much a problem as racism but even if there were just a very small number of incidences that would be enough to justify the existence of a group that provides support and raises awareness on behalf of gay fans.

[filbertway]

It's all about gay banter down CTFC

[lou]

General not aimed at homosexuals directly, well at least not knowingly certainly no worse than the sexism as in 'get your tits out for the lads' which is directed at specific people. in fact the most popular chant seems to be 'do you take it up the arse' which seems to be directed equally across male and female victims.

Not that I'm condoning either, just an observation

Agree... its like a playground mentality.... anything that stands out in someone gets picked up and used against them... fat people get it more than gays!! ... is there a group protecting the rights of over weight fans??

[Dr The Singh]

I'd agree that it's not as much a problem as racism but even if there were just a very small number of incidences that would be enough to justify the existence of a group that provides support and raises awareness on behalf of gay fans.

Nothing wrong with having a group for gays and gay awareness, personally I would prefer just one group for all, ie that includes fat\small, blacks, white etc!!!

[Sparky]

Nothing wrong with having a group for gays and gay awareness, personally I would prefer just one group for all, ie that includes fat\small, blacks, white etc!!!

Thats sort of the point i was trying to make , if something is wrong in the game lets work together to cut it out

[Flynny]

Brighton fans regularly get a lot of "We can see you holding hands", do they not? I think we gave Chelsea a rousing blast of Chelsea rent boys, as well, not too long back. Had that been racist abuse instead there'd have been threads on here moaning angrily at our support for weeks.

What I thought was a bit shocking was "more than two-thirds saying they would feel comfortable if a player on their team came out."

So slightly under a third would be uncomfortable? Bit shocking in this day and age, that. I have a bit of sympathy because football has its older fans who were brought up with different values, but I wouldn't say 30 percent fall into that category.

[lou]

Brighton fans regularly get a lot of "We can see you holding hands", do they not? I think we gave Chelsea a rousing blast of Chelsea rent boys, as well, not too long back. Had that been racist abuse instead there'd have been threads on here moaning angrily at our support for weeks.

What I thought was a bit shocking was "more than two-thirds saying they would feel comfortable if a player on their team came out."

So slightly under a third would be uncomfortable? Bit shocking in this day and age, that. I have a bit of sympathy because football has its older fans who were brought up with different values, but I wouldn't say 30 percent fall into that category.

Knowing how fickle football fans are they would be fine with it if he was playing well, the minute he had a bad game the homophobic shite would come out!

[BigBawsFaeTheShaws]

Have any players actually ever come out the closest once retired?

EDIT: I can only think of Justin Fashanu who came out whilst still playing.

An Airdrieonians legend!

...and also the star of this great chant & t-shirt.

[davieG]

Brighton fans regularly get a lot of "We can see you holding hands", do they not? I think we gave Chelsea a rousing blast of Chelsea rent boys, as well, not too long back. Had that been racist abuse instead there'd have been threads on here moaning angrily at our support for weeks.

What I thought was a bit shocking was "more than two-thirds saying they would feel comfortable if a player on their team came out."

So slightly under a third would be uncomfortable? Bit shocking in this day and age, that. I have a bit of sympathy because football has its older fans who were brought up with different values, but I wouldn't say 30 percent fall into that category.

Whoa there let's not pigeon hole a whole group of people especially not on a thread that is about prejudice and stereotyping. I'm sure there's plenty of young people that wear this particular cap and I'd wager it's younger people on the whole that do the chanting.

[General Smuts]

It's all about gay banter down CTFC

Damo where is that fantastic sig quote from?

[Flynny]

Whoa there let's not pigeon hole a whole group of people especially not on a thread that is about prejudice and stereotyping. I'm sure there's plenty of young people that wear this particular cap and I'd wager it's younger people on the whole that do the chanting.

I meant something closer to "nowhere near 30 percent". You're absolutely right.

[Milky]

Laurent Blanc and Justin Fashanu are the only two to my knowledge.

[Daggers]

Started a thread about this shortly after joining the forum - the level of idiot comments, homophobic hysteria and abusive PMs kind of let me know how accepting your average Foxestalker fan is of homosexuality.

Teeno and TommyG are just the vocal tip of an ignorant and bigoted iceberg.

[Trumpet]

General not aimed at homosexuals directly, well at least not knowingly certainly no worse than the sexism as in 'get your tits out for the lads' which is directed at specific people. in fact the most popular chant seems to be 'do you take it up the arse' which seems to be directed equally across male and female victims.

Not that I'm condoning either, just an observation

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[CosbehFox]

There's clearly homophobia in football which often manifests itself in chants and comments inside a stadium by fans.

It's a bit of problem in my eyes and extends to society as whole. Being gay is still viewed in a negative light (if your gay, your wrong. if your gay, it's a big deal) but it's difficult to see how you try and change it.