hairy Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 This is the sort of comment I hate, all public money comes from taxes levied on us so why is wasting money in Leicester any better than wasting it somewhere else, just stop wasting money and properly think through development. We need more buses or trams or somethink that actually moves people around not a new station. You may hate it but thats how things work. A pot of money is announced and bids are welcomed for it. Hopefully out of the bids the most needy is recognised. It is not up to the bidders to assess each others worthiness but to submit a bid which they feel is needy. We dont need more buses or trams. We need then to work efficiently, economically and ensure people to use them. There is no point providing more if they are not going to be used.
Sir Fynwy Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 You may hate it but thats how things work. A pot of money is announced and bids are welcomed for it. Hopefully out of the bids the most needy is recognised. It is not up to the bidders to assess each others worthiness but to submit a bid which they feel is needy.We dont need more buses or trams. We need then to work efficiently, economically and ensure people to use them. There is no point providing more if they are not going to be used. People won't use public transport when it doesn't run often enough, doesn't go where they want to go and doesn't provide value for money, all three can be attributed to the public transport in Leicester. More, better scheduled and cheaper transport services are the only way forward but the council seem to be taking your view.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 The clock tower will probs become a KFC next.
hairy Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 The clock tower will probs become a KFC next. I heard DMU were planning to build a Student Support Centre (Bar) on the very site.
Monk Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 For that money we could have Edgar FOOKING Davids running the bus station ticket office of the CURRENT bus station for about 60 years.
hairy Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 People won't use public transport when it doesn't run often enough, doesn't go where they want to go and doesn't provide value for money, all three can be attributed to the public transport in Leicester. More, better scheduled and cheaper transport services are the only way forward but the council seem to be taking your view. I think we are agreeing. The service needs to be what people want and just to provide more would not do that.
CosbehFox Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 2) £67M? Is it going to double as a spaceport?? I thought this through...I can only think it includes demo'ing St Mags, buying the land, alterating the highways and then having a full 'serviced' building. The Park & Rides are terminating at the top of high St they've just built a terminus for them. Good point which I should know. But maybe having a bus station of magtitiude would get National Express they get all the perks of putting out huge contracts for tender, anyone for a free pi$$ up on Colin? I doubt the council will tender it, probably send it through a consultant and pay loads in fees. As currently, the council don't have the money to pay for a person of expertise capable of managing such a job because the budget isn't there to accomdate wages. So, the £67m will probably include some 5% fee charged by some private practice. It's just easy to present a price to the big bollocks of councillors like so as opposed to them seeing the long-term benefit of treating their workforce well and dropping the 'reforms', 'service reviews' and most of all 'job re-evaluation'.
davieG Posted 18 November 2009 Author Posted 18 November 2009 I thought this through...I can only think it includes demo'ing St Mags, buying the land, alterating the highways and then having a full 'serviced' building. Good point which I should know. But maybe having a bus station of magtitiude would get National Express I doubt the council will tender it, probably send it through a consultant and pay loads in fees. As currently, the council don't have the money to pay for a person of expertise capable of managing such a job because the budget isn't there to accomdate wages. So, the £67m will probably include some 5% fee charged by some private practice. It's just easy to present a price to the big bollocks of councillors like so as opposed to them seeing the long-term benefit of treating their workforce well and dropping the 'reforms', 'service reviews' and most of all 'job re-evaluation'. According to the BBc report it will run along side St Ms and will replace the Haymarket and Charles St Bus stops
jonthefox Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 I suppose it has something to do with sending all the park n ride buses there as there's due to be one built at Birstall. Quite a lot of questions left by this one. Maybe, National Express are looking to expand on site. I could mention my job..... <_< i heard that the new enderby park and ride is £3 each into town. thats £12 for my lot. so, bollox to the enviroment, im taking the car.
Daggers Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 ...anyone for a free pi$$ up on Colin? Have they turned him into an open-air events complex with bar? About bloody time. Reserve me a table near his navel
Lillehamring Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 £67m will buy the land, demolition existing buildings (eventhough by looking on google most of Manfield Street appears to be carparking), pay for the designers and finally have it built with the loose change leftover.To have that money spent in the Leicester economy can only be a good thing. It will also regenerate an area that is falling behind the rest of the city. There are also plans to link that area to Abbey park by footway / business area. If there were a new bus station surely it would encourage people to use buses more. My only concern would be our councils ability to vastly exceed budgets. absolutely, but building something that already exists can't possibly be a good use of that kind of money... given the fact that first and arriva are bleeding their passengers dry providing the minimal possible services for endlessly increasing fares, i'd like to know how much of the £67M is going to be stumped up from their coffers - i'm guessing none... the expected subsidy to run the ivanhoe line is 3.5M a year, 67M over 20 years sounds like a much better investment... i suspect it's more likely another of the council's retarded 'landmark' projects, that offer shocking value for money, leaving the city no better off than before and usually end up as a bit of a joke by perpetually picking the wrong location for everything....
Lillehamring Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 ha, you know what this means, they'll have to demolish zanzibar - map it is run by a loughborough based company called Nexum Operations and i'm guessing that they only currently lease the building, and i wouldn't be surprised if the council still own the site, seeing as it is the old ex bus depot... and if they knock down the buildings south-west of it it would lead through to the 'road' where the cannon cinema (RIP) used to be what do you reckon?
Daggers Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 Can't help but feel that if people don't like this shit continually happening then they shouldn't keep voting for the same dumb**** councillors. But they do - so they kind of deserve the shit these wankers keep dishing up.
CosbehFox Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 Can't help but feel that if people don't like this shit continually happening then they shouldn't keep voting for the same dumb**** councillors.But they do - so they kind of deserve the shit these wankers keep dishing up. The majority of the current lot are newbies...
Guest Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 Can't help but feel that if people don't like this shit continually happening then they shouldn't keep voting for the same dumb**** councillors.But they do - so they kind of deserve the shit these wankers keep dishing up. I haven't voted for the feckers, what with me living in the county. All I want is clean, reliable, cheap, efficient public transport options. At the moment, what we have is dirty, unreliable, expensive services, that are disjointed and fragmented. We have two bus companies running individual routes in and out of the city, and as they are private franchises, they are in competition, despite very little conflict on routes. If I want to get the bus to my grandad, for example, this requires catching two buses. But as one is run by Arriva, and the other First Leicester, I have to buy a day ticket (no return fares any more, and two singles works out more expensive) for each bus route, which is over £6. Building a new bus station isn't going to make me stop driving to see him.
Guest Mee-9 Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 Well, Leicesters a dump, why not make it even worse? And add a bit more pollution at the same time.
maddog Posted 18 November 2009 Posted 18 November 2009 I suppose it has something to do with sending all the park n ride buses there as there's due to be one built at Birstall. Quite a lot of questions left by this one. Maybe, National Express are looking to expand on site. I could mention my job..... <_< The park n ride won't be there anytime soon as theres a dispute between the land owners and city council.
lou Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 Can't help but feel that if people don't like this shit continually happening then they shouldn't keep voting for the same dumb**** councillors.But they do - so they kind of deserve the shit these wankers keep dishing up. Not guilty.... Ive never voted for Labour in the locals didnt like Peter Soulsby and his cronies. Im voting BNP
Sly Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 I suppose it all goes to improving the image and infastructure of Leicester in the long run, maybe they are trying to improve Leicester so we can host a world cup
davieG Posted 19 November 2009 Author Posted 19 November 2009 More details from the Merc: Plans for a new £67m bus station in Leicester have been heralded as a key step in solving the city's growing transport problems. The city council is hoping to replace St Margaret's bus depot with a larger building boasting "airport-like ambience" as part of moves to encourage more people onto public transport. If it goes ahead, it could pave the way for the pedestrianisation of Church Gate and Belgrave Gate. It would also leave open the possibility of creating a tram route through the city, to be routed out of the new station. Buses that stop in Charles Street and Humberstone Gate East would be re-routed. Three possible designs for the proposed development, which would be built in the area surrounding Mansfield Street were unveiled yesterday. St Margaret's would be demolished or built into the plans, depending on what is chosen. Leicester City Council's cabinet member for regeneration and transport, Coun Patrick Kitterick, said: "We need to plan now and perhaps take some bold decisions to ensure Leicester city centre can continue to thrive." The new bus station is being planned because population predictions suggest 90,000 new homes will be needed in Leicestershire by 2026 – and extra buses would be a major part of ensuring the transport infrastructure is in place to handle the extra passenger numbers. Latest travel figures show 17,000 people take the bus into the city centre each day, while almost 16,000 travel in by car, compared with 5,600 people who walk. Garry Scott, Leicester City Council's transport strategy team leader, said: "At the end of the day we do not want Leicester to become one huge car park. "We have got quite a dispersed arrangement of bus stations which is confusing for people and we have poor facilities. "St Margaret's is the exception to that but it is too far out of the city centre. We want to entice our drivers out of their cars and therefore what we need to offer is a much more enjoyable form of transport than we have now." Three separate models have been drawn up, all of which have what the city council have described as an "airport-like ambience" housed within a "striking, modern glass building". Mr Scott said: "This will be the gateway through which the majority of people enter Leicester, so it is important we create a good impression for them." The exact siting of the bus station has not been agreed, though it is expected it will be within an area bordered by Burley's Way – where St Margarets bus station is – Abbey Street, Belgrave Gate between its junction with Charles Street and the Iceland store in Short Street, Gravel Street and Church Gate. The city council have begun consultation with land owners. Council leaders are confident they will have the land and cash in time for work on the 50-berth bus station to begin in 2014. An application for Government funding has been made. What businesses think... Richard Bradshaw owner of City Centre MoTs, in Mansfield Street, and several buildings in the surrounding area, said: "Leicester needs a good bus station and it is important that it needs to be here. "But, the issue for me is where do I relocate to? It is about being treated fairly." Mohammed Awal runs the Afro Supermarket in Gravel Street. He said as he did not own the land the decision was out of his hands, but said he was worried about his business. He said: "It is going to affect everyone around here that is doing business and the problem is going to be where do we go. "This business is my life. I have put a lot of effort into it. "It is a great location here and that is why I chose it." Umed Chauhan, who owns Spectrum Photos, in Belgrave Gate, questioned whether his business would last long enough to see any potential benefit from the new bus station. He said: "I am all for bringing more people into this area of the city, provided my business is around to benefit. "This area of town has been neglected since the Highcross development. It has become a ghost town." What commuters think... Helen Bauer, 30, from New Parks, said: "If it is going to help with the environment and the traffic and it is going to make it safer then I think it is a good idea. "My husband drives into work, but I think that if the services were better and quicker then he would change to use the bus." Olive Gyles, 69, from Rushey Mead, said: "I have always wondered why the bus station and the train station are so far apart. "Surely it would be more logical to have the two close together. I think this will be a big, big waste of money." Ian Reynolds, 44, from Aylestone, said: "I don't know what difference it will make. "What we need is more buses, not a new bus station." Images (tiny ones) here - http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/news...il/article.html
Bellend Sebastian Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 "Latest travel figures show 17,000 people take the bus into the city centre each day, while almost 16,000 travel in by car, compared with 5,600 people who walk." I'm amazed that more people bus it in than go by car. That's quite encouraging. I'm one of the 5,600 that walk, so I'm extra self-righteous
Zingari Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 Well, Leicesters a dump, why not make it even worse?And add a bit more pollution at the same time. apparently we are a very green city , coming in at a very creditable 4th http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009...award-newcastle
Sly Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 "Latest travel figures show 17,000 people take the bus into the city centre each day, while almost 16,000 travel in by car, compared with 5,600 people who walk."I'm amazed that more people bus it in than go by car. That's quite encouraging. I'm one of the 5,600 that walk, so I'm extra self-righteous I'd be interested in knowing how they calculated these numbers?
Houdini Logic Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 Slightly off topic, but can someone explain why everyone is Leicester hates the thought of an eco town? I'm fed up of seeing those flyers...
lou Posted 19 November 2009 Posted 19 November 2009 Slightly off topic, but can someone explain why everyone is Leicester hates the thought of an eco town?I'm fed up of seeing those flyers... Because ppl who live in posh rural areas dont want their views ruined by 20,000 social houses on their back door steps Personally I dont care as I live off the Saff!
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