ta-fc Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Angry and a bit deflated. How a Premiership ref can miss 3 penalty appeals, one of them which was absolutely blatant, is a disgrace. Confused????? Yes so am I!!!! Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials". It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. In short were either of them deliberate? I'm not sure..... just an opinion please don't shoot me down!
Aeropars Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Oh yes... Boothroyd. I'm actually surprised he was on the pitch at the end. He should have been booked late first half for persistant fowling. Then he got booked. Later he got done for shirt pulling which by the letter of the law is a yellow card. I don't think he could have any complaints if he was red carded after that. Still, no excuses. We just were not good enough on the day. One more point. People were saying Cardiff support would be roudy as hell yet I thought they were pretty awful in their support. For once the Walkers was rocking. You don't need old terraces to make a racket! Today was proof.
Matt Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Small??? There wasnt a 'wall' just Fryatt stood on the edge of the box. I'm a little disapointed that people are looking for a scapegoat in the referee. In all honesy I think he had a good game, just that 2 key decisions he got wrong in my opinion. The freekick leading to the goal was dubious and the handball following a gallager shot. Only small minor decisions then, no potentially game defining decisions he made wrong. Don't get me wrong in my original post I said Cardiff we're the better team and deserve their lead - just, but how can the referee have had a good game when 1 of his decisions that led to their goal was wrong and a handball decision which would have led to a strong posibilty of a goal was turned down? 2 huge decisions.
Mee Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 The first half of the tie has gone, still another half to go. Nothing to lose now, I though it was crying out for Howard
Aeropars Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Confused????? Yes so am I!!!! Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials". It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. In short were either of them deliberate? I'm not sure..... just an opinion please don't shoot me down! I doubt that any ref takes that rule into account. For the majority of any handball, can you really say any of them are deliberate? Maybe 10% is i'm being generous? I think most are given when the arm is out and deflets the ball from going on its directed path. I think thats a more accurate account of how the rule is applied.
Rocky Dennis Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Confused????? Yes so am I!!!! Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". Page 67 of the document gives "additional information for referees, assistant referees and fourth officials". It adds: "Referees are reminded that deliberately handling the ball is normally punished only by a direct free-kick or penalty kick if the offence occurred inside the penalty area. In short were either of them deliberate? I'm not sure..... just an opinion please don't shoot me down! What does Fifa's laws of the game 2005 say about timewasting, persistant fouling and deliberately elbowing a player in the face?? Common sense should prevail, that handball was as blatant a penalty as I have ever seen, Wiley didnt have the bottle to give it simple as!
Webbo Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Btw the 'Dave Jones is a paedophile' chant was a f**king embarrassment. Some things are just not funny.
atw88 Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Also laughing at you lot going on about Bothroyd when your own forward Waghorn is a petulant little shit.
Matt Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Also laughing at you lot going on about Bothroyd when your own forward Waghorn is a petulant little shit. Strictly speaking he's not 'our own' as much as we'd like him to be.
Ilkeston_Fox Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 As mentioned...the ref refused to give at least 1 blatant penalty. But that's out of our hands, we were set up wrong imo. At home we should be looking to make our mark on the game, take it to Cardiff, rough them up a bit...didn't happen till we went 1-0 down. The long balls to Waghorn just wasn't the right thing to do today, their defence were too strong and tall for our Waggy. Might be a different story should we set up 4-4-2 at CCS. Got my tickets for Weds today I don't know about you...but I'm Leicester till i fooking die so let's go barmy in Wales!!! Up the Foxes!!!
Aeropars Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Only small minor decisions then, no potentially game defining decisions he made wrong. Don't get me wrong in my original post I said Cardiff we're the better team and deserve their lead - just, but how can the referee have had a good game when 1 of his decisions that led to their goal was wrong and a handball decision which would have led to a strong posibilty of a goal was turned down? 2 huge decisions. Agreed that they were big decisions. However I don't beleive that 2 decisions makes a bad referee, key or not. When FIFA will not allow video technology, errors (no matter how key) will be part and parcel of the game and you have to have an element of luck in these decision and accept that some decisions will be a lottery.. I dont think any game goes without a 'key' decision being gotten wrong in any league. I beg anyone here to do better in a fast paced game, at ground level while looking through crowds of players. It's very difficult and I have SOME sympathy for referees.
Dylan Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Premiership ref? 2 CLEAR Penalty shouts. I don't think there goal was ever a freekick. Also, Bothroyd should've been booked earlier than he was (little decision but still makes a difference). However, We never finished our chances. Had 2-3 GREAT chances towards the end. 1st half we played very poor. 2nd half we played a bit better at the start, but then started to slack. We only started to play good again imo, after they scored. Spearing and Wellens played brilliant and were MOTMs to me. I think we should've played 4-4-2, anyone know what happened to Vaughan? Defence were solid. I think Chris Weale will be disappointed to be beaten from that far out, but not seen the highlights so don't know how good the freekick was. ON the bright side, its ONLY 1-0. If we play to our full potential we can do this. Howard will be back from suspension, and I would definetely bring him back him in, especially if Vaughan's not fit. We're due a victory at the CCS. At the end of today's game, we showed we can break them down, and we just needed that finishing touch. We need an early goal IMO. Goal in first 15mins, and the pressure will be on them. However, if we concede first, it'll be difficult to come back.
Fosse Fox Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 This interesting perpective on Cardiff's goal from The Torygraph website: However, Cardiff got the all-important goal when, in the 77th minute, they won a corner on the right. Whittingham, the Championship’s leading scorer, edged the ball forward, to the annoyance of the crowd, but few could complain about the quality of the goal, his left foot effort from 20 yards finding the top right hand corner. Looks like the subber just got back from his liquid lunch...
Ozwin Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 The foul for Whittingham's goal was near the throw in line, he moved it to the edge of the penalty box. He's a ****ing cheating scumbag, no wonder he's scored so many this season.
lcfcsnow Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 The foul for Whittingham's goal was near the throw in line, he moved it to the edge of the penalty box. He's a ****ing cheating scumbag, no wonder he's scored so many this season. One man wall against the free kick specialist, didn't help the situation.
Dylan Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Anyone else see them Cardiff wankers sitting in B3/2. Jumping up and down when they scored.
Aeropars Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 The foul for Whittingham's goal was near the throw in line, he moved it to the edge of the penalty box. He's a ****ing cheating scumbag, no wonder he's scored so many this season. Err it was taken exactly on the right spot!
The Doctor Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Err it was taken exactly on the right spot! no it weren't - he snuck 5 feet was moved back 3/4 and then snuck another foot foward and hit the post on the way in so bearing in mind he gained 2/3 feet and the post isn't anywhere near 2 feet wide that would have gone wide had it been taken where it should have been
ta-fc Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 and now for a slightly more balanced view.... I watched the game on TV. a six week old baby and a serious lack of cash/playing football saturdays have stopped me going as much as i would have liked this season. Saying that I feel as though I should flash some credentials so here goes. A decade of season tickets in the supporters club, visiting such holes as Swindons/reading/stokes old ground as well as such wonderous places as Old trafford/shite heart lane and the stadium of shite. I never knew this site existed but now that its in my life i'm much the wiser for it... saying that i dont post often simply use it to giggle at the ultra-biased blue specs and to get a jump on any new transfers/rumours..... war and peace over so here goes.... - Alan Wiley was cr@p saying that..... - There were no DELIBERATE hand balls - Cardiff were the better footballing side, creating more chances, playing the bettr football - NP's tactics were suspect but maybe the best considering the players we had available. - Bothroyd should have had a second yellow card. - FINALLY>>>>> Its only HALF TIME and we can genuinly win in Wales!!!
Salieri Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 It wasn't a great performance and if i'm honest (despite a couple of questionable decisions by the ref) Cardiff offered more and probably deserve to take a lead into the second leg. We didnt pass the ball very well and the ball to Waghorn which we play so often is only gonna be effective when its on the deck, too often did we lump it forward in the air giving the guy no chance of retaining posession. The defence were solid as usual, hats off to Bruce who, despite having very little game time this season performed admirably. Fryatt sadly looked well off the pace and understandbly so, he missed a golden chance which on another day he would have buried. Great free kick by Whittingham for their goal, annoyed me about him moving the ball but no point bleating about it. We all know we can play a hell of a lot better than that, lets hope that complacency creeps into Cardiffs game on Wednesday. This team has a habit of pulling results out of the bag and i'm not ruling us out of getting a win in Cardiff. We're only a goal down, and its only half time, don't give up people.
Shrenchel Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Could have had a couple of penalty decisions go our way and unlucky in the last 10 but for the most part outthought, outfought, outplayed, outsung. Pretty dissapointing really, proper anticlimax. I don't believe Pearson sent them out to play the hoof, some of them just seemed too nervous. I think in the 23 year history of the 2nd division play-offs only 1 team who lost at home in the first leg has made it to the final. Not sure I like our chances. Who knows, they might think fvck it and just go out there and play like they can.
Ozwin Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 Honestly, watch it again tonight or whenever, the original foul took place near the throw in line, the player stumbled forward a bit but that doesn't take away the fact the foul was near the line. How the bastard ended up near the penalty box I'll never know, I feel pretty robbed tbh.
ta-fc Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 I doubt that any ref takes that rule into account. For the majority of any handball, can you really say any of them are deliberate? Maybe 10% is i'm being generous? I think most are given when the arm is out and deflets the ball from going on its directed path. I think thats a more accurate account of how the rule is applied. agree entirely but the rule is what Wiley will hide behind.... how often do you actually see it applied rarely at best....?????
Guest Posted 9 May 2010 Posted 9 May 2010 We are Leicester. why do it easily when you can put your fans through it? We actually played well in the second half when we decided to play to win - we'll have to do that on Wednesday so I'm still sure the Prem is ours. Morrison and Vaughn will be back in too. I reckon a 2;1 win in reg time going to ET and then penos before we win.
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