flanimal Posted 13 May 2010 Posted 13 May 2010 I hope that if there is a force of balance in the footballing universe Kermorgant scores a vital, ridiculous goal just when it matters most. Like a 30-yard chip in the last seconds of a game to guarantee promotion. Even if that is all he does. He is going to get so much stick now, I almost don't want to go to games because the atmosphere will be so tense!
CKB Posted 13 May 2010 Posted 13 May 2010 I will forgive Yann and will back anyone who plays in a city shirt but it still doesn't mean that the way he took the penalty wasn't diabolical considering the circumstances. Sums it totally up for me and i will copy this in future if i need to, just don't sue me!
BrummieFOX Posted 13 May 2010 Posted 13 May 2010 Well Finners, when you don't have anything more productive left to say and twist and turn your way around my previous post, then I know I'll be sleeping tight tonight. As already previously stated, in a penalty shootout, it's either hit or miss. We lost against Cardiff over two legs because they were the better team. We forced them to the edge of losing out on Wembley, but in the end, the overall squad quality decided this matchup. It was nice to know we could go this far while it lasted. You can blame Yann as much as you want to, but it makes you even sillier than you were before. Because the team lost, not just Kermorgant. We just weren't good enough as a whole. It was heartbreaking, but the story doesn't end here. It has only begun. There is no "voice of reason" here (yet I appreciate the compliment), but over the past few years I've realized that, as much as I love Leicester City, there's more important things in life. Hence my rather laid-back attitude towards the outcome of this playoff semi-final. And yes, being a foxile probably also helps remaining in a more healthy state. I wouldn't call myself optimistic in absolute terms, but I am surely less negative than you, Finners. If that ain't growing up, please tell me how I should change my things around in life to lead a proper existence. And I maintain my claim that Kermorgant will score more than just one goal next season. No, the overall 'squad quality' was exactly the same...we drew on aggregate, drew in extra time and it went down to a penalty. It doesn't matter how we or any individual played. Over two legs we could not be separated, hence it going to pens!!! We lost the semi final because they scored more pens than us. It WAS Kermogants fault because he missed a pen, but he should not be made a scapegoat of, there is always a villain in a penalty shootout, he just happened to make things worse for himself because he tried something pretty ridiculous in the circumstances. He probably will score more than one goal next season but you have no argument! The team lost??!?! We drew the game and went out with a huge amount of dignity and in the end our season boiled down to a penalty kick.
Ozwin Posted 13 May 2010 Posted 13 May 2010 If Kermorgant hadn't missed someone else would have. It wasn't our day, the footballing gods were not on our side. I know it's a tough pill to swallow but we've got to get over it, tommorow is another day and we'll be stronger for it.
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 I also don't buy Alexies argument or anyone else for that fact who is spouting the same crap. A professional footballer being asked to take a penalty, what's next a pilot being asked to fly a plane? Unfortunately I've ran out of my daily quota of positive votes as I've used them all on Finnegan. He'd be getting another one otherwise Testify, brother. yes, but my complaint is that some of the criticism on here are pretty is much implying that he missed on purpose, that he walked up to the spot laughing into his sleeve and thinking 'shall i smack this into row 'z' or really piss the fans off by weakly chipping it and hoping that the goalie dives early to his left or right'. Just because there are stupid people angry with the man, doesn't absolve him of all blame for what he did. There are some right thick twats on this forum currently agreeing with me, calling on his nationality and whatever else to try to belittle him. They're morons. That doesn't stop me (and the vast amount of other more rational posters) being perfectly justified in our fury for the incident. its not about vindicating what he has done, its about having a sense of perspective To an extent, I agree. But "ah well, he was under a lot of pressure, fair play, at least he took one" isn't a moderate view, a rational view or a view with any believable sense of perspective. It's entirely forgiving the man for a moment of carelessness, arrogance and wanton immaturity. Well Finners, when you don't have anything more productive left to say and twist and turn your way around my previous post, then I know I'll be sleeping tight tonight. & You can blame Yann as much as you want to, but it makes you even sillier than you were before. Because the team lost, not just Kermorgant. We just weren't good enough as a whole. It was heartbreaking, but the story doesn't end here. It has only begun. I've explained my point very, very clearly in about two or three different threads, numerous times. I'm not really sure what else you want? Especially when your great and wonderful "previous post" was as daft as it was. Though it's flattering to know that how big a roasting I give you before bed time has a great sway on the quality of your sleep. I'm not sure if there's a language barrier in place here or you're just too idle to properly read people's posts but I'd implore you to go back and scan over what I actually said if there's any confusion. We lost against Cardiff over two legs because they were the better team. We forced them to the edge of losing out on Wembley, but in the end, the overall squad quality decided this matchup.It was nice to know we could go this far while it lasted. I agree. At no point have I said otherwise. Long before you'd even logged on FT (I wasn't lucky enough to get to go to Cardiff, I watched the game on TV - le gasp!) I was on here applauding Cardiff for their superiority over both legs and accepting defeat humbly. You seem to have the inability to separate my fury over the incident from the concept of outright blame.
marbelladave Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 No, the overall 'squad quality' was exactly the same...we drew on aggregate, drew in extra time and it went down to a penalty. It doesn't matter how we or any individual played. Over two legs we could not be separated, hence it going to pens!!! We lost the semi final because they scored more pens than us. It WAS Kermogants fault because he missed a pen, but he should not be made a scapegoat of, there is always a villain in a penalty shootout, he just happened to make things worse for himself because he tried something pretty ridiculous in the circumstances. He probably will score more than one goal next season but you have no argument! The team lost??!?! We drew the game and went out with a huge amount of dignity and in the end our season boiled down to a penalty kick. The performance of the two teams/squads was clearly very close in terms of results, just look at the table and the two playoff games. What is interesting is that overall, Cardiff are clearly the better footballing side even if their defence is a bit leaky but City are very strong in terms of organisation, determination and all the rest. Frankly I thought we were very lucky to get to penalties, but we did and that is indistputable. The two playoff games give us the clearest indication yet that our approach will only get us so far, we need to blend our obvious fighting qualities with a more positive attitude and finally consign this percentage driven long ball approach to the bin where it belongs. Kermorgant's penalty was a nonsense, he saw the opportunity to make the kind of impact we have been asking him to make all season and completely fooked it up, although I think he could be a decent player I think that could be the end of him at City.
MC Prussian Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 Finners, you can be as furious as you want to, but still fuming over the incident 24+ hours later isn't helping no one. It's not like we've just been relegated to League One, is it? It was daft, but so were other things over those two playoff legs. We were lucky to go 3-1 ahead and Cardiff winning it through penalties balanced it all out. Life continues. Shit happens. It's about perspective. Don't look back, look ahead. You claim yourself to be forgiving, yet cannot forgive a footballer for missing a penalty spot (after all, you're still "fuming" more than a day later). One day you'll realize... (Or is your "anger" restricted to online distribution only and you're on a wind-up?)
Finnegan Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 Finners, you can be as furious as you want to, but still fuming over the incident 24+ hours later isn't helping no one. I'm in a perpetual state of anger over something or other. Prior to Wednesday night it was the smug smear all over David Cameron's face but now I've got something a bit more tangible to be annoyed about. It doesn't haunt my every waking moment, I went to work on Thursday and got on with my life, I've barely even whinged about it to Missus Finners. I just find my anger rekindled when I come on here and read some new moron with no good footballing sense trying to defend what the bloke did with claims that he was under pressure or that he'd have been a hero if it'd come off.
Lillehamring Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 We lost the semi final because they scored more pens than us. It WAS Kermogants fault because he missed a pen, but he should not be made a scapegoat of, there is always a villain in a penalty shootout, he just happened to make things worse for himself because he tried something pretty ridiculous in the circumstances. If Kermorgant hadn't missed someone else would have. It wasn't our day, the footballing gods were not on our side. unless my memory has completely failed me, after 4 penalties each, the score was 4-3, ie we had not lost at that point - who's to say that if waghorn had scored, the 5th cardifff player wouldn't have missed, or weale saved. no one would even be talking about kermo then... we missed two penalties, not just one, that is why we lost. kermo is a city player who made a mistake. it's a shame but there will be city fans booing him next season.
Bluefoxtim Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 unless my memory has completely failed me, after 4 penalties each, the score was 4-3, ie we had not lost at that point - who's to say that if waghorn had scored, the 5th cardifff player wouldn't have missed, or weale saved. no one would even be talking about kermo then... we missed two penalties, not just one, that is why we lost. kermo is a city player who made a mistake. it's a shame but there will be city fans booing him next season. This will inevitably (albeit disgracefully) happen. First game of the season, the last thing we want is people putting a downer on things. "****ing hell, why's that idiot coming on" etc. He missed, move on, support him next season.
adam1 Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 Having watched the highlights for the Cardiff Leicester match, 1) The most blatant dive I have ever seen. 2) Not only that but he tries to get Bruce sent off. 3) Marshall was 2-3 yards off the line for both penalties he saved and Webb did not see it. Cheating scum. Cardiff should not be in the play offs, they have lived beyond their means. They are gambling on a promotion to pay off the debt. If they don't go up they go into admin. It is wrong. Swansea have lived within their budget, have played by the rules and were not given the chance to fight it out in the play offs. The city of Cardiff is an absolute shit hole. As for the residents, walking to the ground I witnessed the word 'monkey' being shouted at an 10 year old asian boy by a local (welsh accents). I witnessed fans doing nazi salutes during the pitch invasion. This is 2010 and not the 1970s. I really do want Blackpool to beat them. Administration followed by the club doing a Chester City. Its what we all want, especially as this is the ENGLISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE. I really want to punch that twat chopra in the face. Rant over.
lcfc_jme Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 General points from watching both games: Cardiff are a better footballing side than us and created the better chances overall. We are massively better than them as a unit; our passion, desire and committment to the cause far surpassed theirs overall. Their 'keeper, based on the saves he made, looks a 'special player. A 1-man wall for a close-range freekick is laughable. We are always the victims of the most useless, disgustingly incompetent, hideously pathetic officiating in the Football League. Always. That said, we've put in a mammoth shift this season and far surpassed what any of us could have hoped to have achieved at the beginning, so hopefully we can build on it next season and cut out the need to run the playoff lottery next time out. Cardiff to win the final and gatecrash the English Premier League please. That is all.
The Doctor Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 This will inevitably (albeit disgracefully) happen. First game of the season, the last thing we want is people putting a downer on things. "****ing hell, why's that idiot coming on" etc. He missed, move on, support him next season. exactly. Far better players than him have missed similarly crucial penalties. Slightly different scenario but did the proper chelsea fans (not the plastics) crucify terry like several on here are doing to kermorgant after he missed that penalty in the champions league Final? (IIRC that was the decider as well - no one there to save terry's blushes there while waghorn was for kermorgant) or how about baggio missing the most crucial penalty he ever took - the WC final. After that did the italians want to encase his feet in concrete and throw him into the med?
southdevonfox Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 Ha ha... at least I can still laugh. Thanks. i have forgot how to laugh , gutted totally gutted , take awhile to recover from this 1 ,
FoxyPV Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 I forgot to mention this but one of my favourite moments of the game was in extra time when Nobby just lay down on the ground instead of slide tackling a cardiff player (forget who it is) AND got the ball off him.
CKB Posted 14 May 2010 Posted 14 May 2010 Is it me but i saw no dive from Chopra? yes he was offside but Bruce's challenge was rash, he caught him???? maybe my eyesight is playing tricks on me?
Lillehamring Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Is it me but i saw no dive from Chopra? yes he was offside but Bruce's challenge was rash, he caught him???? maybe my eyesight is playing tricks on me? there was contact but not enough to send a grown man 6 feet across the ground. from what i remember, bruce made contact chopra took a step and then launched himself as was the case for most of our bookings on the night, never has a team shown more of the right characteristics to belong in the premier league
red5 Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Having watched the highlights for the Cardiff Leicester match, 1) The most blatant dive I have ever seen. 2) Not only that but he tries to get Bruce sent off. 3) Marshall was 2-3 yards off the line for both penalties he saved and Webb did not see it. Cheating scum. there was contact but not enough to send a grown man 6 feet across the ground. from what i remember, bruce made contact chopra took a step and then launched himself as was the case for most of our bookings on the night, never has a team shown more of the right characteristics to belong in the premier league It looked a clear pen on the night, and on tv, he was tripped and fell, and I think Bruce was lucky not to be booked.
Bert Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 It's all done with now, so let's just focus on next season and getting automatic promotion, you can't change the past, but you can all do something about the future, so get yourselves down to the ground support the team next season.
john_lcfc Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 nobody in the away end said a word after the penalty, it was so blatent. Very reckless by Bruce. Jesus we're clutching at straws here. Theres one person at fault and he's french and took a poor penalty.
Narborough Bod Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Is it me but i saw no dive from Chopra? yes he was offside but Bruce's challenge was rash, he caught him???? maybe my eyesight is playing tricks on me? totally agree 100%, for any tit who thinks it wasn't a pen watch it again. My first reaction was dive, but Bruce definitely caught Chopra's back leg which sent it into his front leg and took him out.
Guest Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 I forgot to mention this but one of my favourite moments of the game was in extra time when Nobby just lay down on the ground instead of slide tackling a cardiff player (forget who it is) AND got the ball off him. I loved that too, thought he slipped over initially then saw the opportunity to head it whilst on the ground but could be mistaken. Either way, he was class.
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Not only did Bruce definitely make contact, any number of players would have done the same in going down and taking the pen - including Martyn Waghorn (who LOVES to go down and then wave his arms at the ref indignantly) and Matty Fryatt.
BoneDog Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Yeah but Chopra does it twice as much as Waghorn and Fryatt put together. He's a twat of a player when it comes to that stuff.
Finnegan Posted 15 May 2010 Posted 15 May 2010 Yeah but Chopra does it twice as much as Waghorn and Fryatt put together. He's a twat of a player when it comes to that stuff. Really? You watch Cardiff every week?
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