Nigel Pearson to Hull ?

[davieG]

I feel like I'm reading the Hull City forum, there are more of them than us.

I think it's known as gloating, why else would they be here?

[Daggers]

our financial state is not as perilous as you'd like to believe and is in most respects healthier than Leicesters.

Your wage bill is higher, your gate revenue is lower.

Healthier? You aren't the missing Gordon Brown by any chance?

[Guest Bilo]

It's alright, I'm sure the deductions of a bitter Leicester fan based on snippets and outdated press clippings have far more credibility then the people I talk to. I wonder which of our versions Nigel Pearson thinks is more accurate?

Now you're just trolling.

You actually can't back up your theories with anything other than conjecture can you? If I'd known I was talking to someone who was privy to Hull's account sheets I wouldn't have said anything.

It's still an 'if' Pearson leaves rather than 'when'. It does look likely, that much I'll concede, but it'll be more a case of us losing him through Mandaric's stupidity and tight-fisted nature than a pitiful outfit like Hull gaining him. Christ, I daresay Adam Pearson thought it was his birthday when he heard! It reflects more on NP's lack of ambition and loyalty than any of Hull's attributes to be honest. Don't expect him to hang around though, as soon as he gets an offer from a better club (which let's face it, won't be difficult) you won't see him for dust.

[davieG]

Let's face it both clubs are financially in the shit if Pearson goes he obviously thinks, rightly or wrongly our shit smells worse. Either that or Mandaric's shit does.

[Guest Bilo]

Your wage bill is higher, your gate revenue is lower.

Healthier? You aren't the missing Gordon Brown by any chance?

But you're missing the bigger picture and important elements.

For there be a giant treasure chest buried underneath the KC. Garrr.

[originallambrettaman]

When your chairman is publicly talking about CVAs, there's a problem.

When your owner is talking about restructuring liabilities, there's a problem.

When you're £35 million in debt, there's a problem.

When you have a Premiership wage bill in this division and all of those problems together, there's a hell of a problem.

What are these key elements we're missing then? They've got to be pretty damned key to overcome all of these hurdles. I'm not saying you're another Pompey or Crystal Palace, their problems are far greater, but to say you're in a better financial state than us when you aren't privy to our finances and we haven't any of the problems like the ones I've described seems a little presumptuous. Deloitte states than in the Championship you have a shortfall of around £21 million annually based on your financial situation in April. Unless I've missed something, nothing has actually changed at Hull. Your parachute payments are around £12 million a year. Thus; short of a fire sale of your players, a near freeze on new players being brought in and other restructuring, you're going to have a shortfall of around £9 million a year after the parachute payments have been made. Don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see where that can go tits up.

The talk of CVA's is out of date, we've moved on since then.

The wage bill is already down from £38m to £17m, when Geovanni goes to Greece and Jimmy goes to Scotland(on loan) it will be down to under £14m, which frees up enough for a couple of new faces, as the wage target is £15m(I expect a few other fringe players to come off the books too).

The debt is down to £28m already, the parachute payments are now £16m, the existing debt has been restructured, season ticket sales are strong and we have a new investor coming in, which will possibly be announced at the same time as the managerial appointment.

I would never presume to tell a Leicester fan what's going on at their club, as obviously they would know far more about it than I would. Think on Sherlock !

[bridlington]

I think it's known as gloating, why else would they be here?

1. Because it is all speculation at the moment, I would like to see what is being said from your media etc.

2. If he is to be our new manager, I'd like to know his strengths, weaknesses in addition to that of his backroom staff.

3. Find one post where I've gloated.

[LondonTiger]

Actually we prefer to think of our visitation here as "redressing the balance".

Some (not all) of you seem to enjoy the sport of Hull-baiting (the city itself and moreover our football club), and if you want to do that, thats your choice. However you will have to expect us to come on here and put you right, so stop coming over all surprised

IMO NP would only leave Leicester ( I enjoyed visiting the city last month) if he felt he was not getting what he wanted; or had a a barney with Mandaric.

A serious question now, which is most likely of those two scenarios?

[Shrenchel]

Let's face it both clubs are financially in the shit if Pearson goes he obviously thinks, rightly or wrongly our shit smells worse. Either that or Mandaric's shit does.

Exactly, nobody knows the truth about either club. If you believe the worst estimations of our debt and the best estimations of theirs, then we owe about the same. The only thing that is certain is that they're getting a £16m parachute payment this season and we aint.

[Daggers]

Let's face it both clubs are financially in the shit if Pearson goes he obviously thinks, rightly or wrongly our shit smells worse. Either that or Mandaric's shit does.

A contract offer linked to improved performance targets but not backed with transfer market clout. A club unable to offload a sulking, free-scoring, expensive asset - worth more on paper than the entire management team. A threadbare squad consisting of poor players, old players, loanee holes and a couple of soon-to-be balancing the books players. Two players who, thanks to the money soon to come from Hull, may be able to ply their trade here still.

Hull, a sounder squad to build on. A bigger salary and the promise of funds to support Pearson's CV development. Plus, bloody handy for the ferry to Rotterdam.

Conjecture? Yep. But I'm betting I'm not far off the mark.

[Guest Bilo]

The talk of CVA's is out of date, we've moved on since then.

The wage bill is already down from £38m to £17m, when Geovanni goes to Greece and Jimmy goes to Scotland(on loan) it will be down to under £14m, which frees up enough for a couple of new faces, as the wage target is £15m(I expect a few other fringe players to come off the books too).

The debt is down to £28m already, the parachute payments are now £16m, the existing debt has been restructured, season ticket sales are strong and we have a new investor coming in, which will possibly be announced at the same time as the managerial appointment.

I would never presume to tell a Leicester fan what's going on at their club, as obviously they would know far more about it than I would. Think on Sherlock !

Blimey, do you work for the Labour Party?

Hull almost sound stable when you put it like that. So how have you trimmed £21m off the wage bill while retaining the quality of the squad? You can't slice the wage bill in more than half without losing some quality. The wage target is £15m, and the current expenditure is £14m, giving the new manager £1m to play with and he has to factor in wages into that.

Evidently transfer fees are going to be a problem, what with being £28 million in debt, having mediocre gate receipts and that. So the analysis must be in less shit off the field but in more shit on it. I stand by what I've said, sideways step at the very best for Pearson.

[originallambrettaman]

I think it's known as gloating, why else would they be here?

I post heavily on the Hull City boards and have done for years and I look at other boards when there's something like this going on, but this is the first time I've joined to post on one.

It was the nature of the derogatory posts and anti Hull bile that was being posted that annoyed me enough to want to respond.

I don't think you can call it gloating, we don't even know for sure if he's coming yet, I just thought it beneficial for you to see the other side of the story.

[Guest Bilo]

Actually we prefer to think of our visitation here as "redressing the balance".

Some (not all) of you seem to enjoy the sport of Hull-baiting (the city itself and moreover our football club), and if you want to do that, thats your choice. However you will have to expect us to come on here and put you right, so stop coming over all surprised

IMO NP would only leave Leicester ( I enjoyed visiting the city last month) if he felt he was not getting what he wanted; or had a a barney with Mandaric.

A serious question now, which is most likely of those two scenarios?

IMO, you're right and the only sensible Hull fan to have visited the forum.

I daresay it's the latter because of the former.

[bridlington]

the wage bill has been significantly reduced, firstly there were clauses in some players contracts (not everyones but not quite as bad as quoted in the media), then the likes of mendy, boateng and vennegoor are either out of contract or have release clauses. add that to marney, hunt and mouyokolo and yes, the wage bill is much more manageable. just need bullard and geovanni off the wage bill and we'll be about there.

[1964FOX]

Actually we prefer to think of our visitation here as "redressing the balance".

Some (not all) of you seem to enjoy the sport of Hull-baiting (the city itself and moreover our football club), and if you want to do that, thats your choice. However you will have to expect us to come on here and put you right, so stop coming over all surprised

IMO NP would only leave Leicester ( I enjoyed visiting the city last month) if he felt he was not getting what he wanted; or had a a barney with Mandaric.

A serious question now, which is most likely of those two scenarios?

Serious answer is he probably did not get what he asked for and that caused a fall out with Mandaric which historically means the manager leaves. But Istill live in hope it's a rumour and you get Ian Holloway or Dave Jones.

[Daggers]

I stand by what I've said, sideways step at the very best for Pearson.

Heather Robinson would have slept with the Dad from Steptoe & Son in order to move away from our shipwreck relationship.

I stand by what I've been saying since shortly after he came - Mandaric doesn't belong at our club.

That Pearson wants to kip with Hull, football's equivalent of Simon Weston, speaks more about Mad Mandy than it does about anything else.

[LondonTiger]

Considering you only averaged also 24k last year in a successful season, I'm sure Hull City will at least do average of 20k, which if that's mediocre, then I'll take it anyday.

Average attendances

[Webbo]

Looking like a done deal. I can't believe this is just about money, there must be something behind the scenes.

I'll always be grateful to Pearson for what he's done but if this turns out to be true I officially hate the <unt.

[Guest Bilo]

Heather Robinson would have slept with the Dad from Steptoe & Son in order to move away from our shipwreck relationship.

I stand by what I've been saying since shortly after he came - Mandaric doesn't belong at our club.

That Pearson wants to kip with Hull, football's equivalent of Simon Weston, speaks more about Mad Mandy than it does about anything else.

It does as well.

I sincerely hope Mandaric fvcks off and sells up as soon as possible if he's lost us our best manager since Martin O'Neill. At least we lost O'Neill to Celtic ffs.

[Guest Bilo]

Considering you only averaged also 24k last year in a successful season, I'm sure Hull City will at least do average of 20k, which if that's mediocre, then I'll take it anyday.

Average attendances

18,000 last time you were in the Championship mate. The season you were promoted.

[ACF]

If he does leave, it must be for lots in compo, and we get their best players

[Guest Bilo]

If he does leave, it must be for lots in compo, and we get their best players

£250k unfortunately.

Our transfer budget just doubled.

[Fosse Boy]

Interestingly ask on a neutral forum peoples views on it.

A Cov, a Wolves and a RovRum can not understand the move of Pearson to Hull.

The Wolves fan (and we are talking a bloke whose been to every league ground in the country) believes other than Leeds and Wednesday, we are probably the biggest club outside the Premiership!! Hahaha

WACCOE and a couple of other boards were saying similar things when I had a gander last night as well.

Woke up this morning with such a heavy heart. Still genuinely can't believe this.

Some of these maulers are really doing my nut in. Can't wait to smash the tinpot tools in October now.

[CosbehFox]

Nah that was the manager.... an numpty by name of Paul Jewell wasn't it? And to a lesser extent Billy Davies, who started that season. Unlike at some clubs Adam Pearson doesn't get involved with day-to-day team management...

And who appoints the numpty by name of Paul Jewell?. Adam Pearson ain't no angel (tight is one description I got off a member of my family whose lad plays for them)...hardly the dark, mysterious and probably bent ways of Mandaric though.

It's all to with Mandaric, his failure to get Pearson signing a new contract, his failure to produce a transfer fund (without selling a player - I suspect this is a major point this summer, MM thinks Pearson should sell at least one player) and his all-round argumentive nature. I don't think we'll ever succeed under him - if there was one time to keep your ego in check, it was when you discovered the best manager you have in years. He's not in it for the love of the game, he's in it for profit. He ought on that phone now getting Pearson on board.

There's some disappointment in Pearson as well. Hull are roughly in the same boat as us but he's probably been given some reassurance of having a transfer fund available. So rather than work it, earn a reptuation and keep building the squad....he's took the easy route. The big problem for us is not just losing Pearson, losing Steve Walsh (head of recruitment chap) is a major blow...how many successful signings? We'll probably lose the link-up with Loughborough University in sports science and go back to having a manager without any forevision. All rather gutting that the same staff and probably some of the same players will be found in that manky Orange top in the same division.

[haraven]

Speculation is rife, got a bad feeling since a lot of credible news sources come up with news regarding NP opting from Hull. Who cares about the World Cup now, I would like to have this resolved asap.

Hoping for the best - NP is a great mananager, excellent at finding new young prospects turning quality players.