Ozwin Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 I honestly beleive we'd be ****ed if we didn't have him in midfield. Any King's great don't get me wrong but we'd feel Wellens' absence the most if he wasn't there.
Walshy5 Posted 1 September 2010 Author Posted 1 September 2010 Can't believe this is even up for debate. Of course he's good, one of our best. I actually agree that he,s good but I know some people dont rate him so thought id put it up for debate. Whats wrong with that.
Legend_in_blue Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 He's an "in your face" type of player. There's too many "nice" players in the team. You need these in your face types in this division. We've lost it at the back, it's showed, we've lost it up front, although have just reacquired it thanks to the dealing yesterday. He does bring quality, although it is inconsistent as has been mentioned already. If he wasn't in the team, he would be missed. In terms of midfield, I hope we start playing three (Wellens, King, Abe/Moreno) with three up front (Dyer, Fryatt, Waghorn). Plan B - stick Howard on. But that's for another thread!
Jodranadinho Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 Yeahhh everyones definitely divided richie wellens is the championships mikel essien?
CosbehFox Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 If he had a yard of pace, he wouldn't be playing for Leicester City. By far our hardest working midfielder at the club.
davieG Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 I actually agree that he,s good but I know some people dont rate him so thought id put it up for debate. Whats wrong with that. You're wrong though it's not about not rating him it's about recognising his weaknesses to combat posters that believe he can do no wrong. Asking the simplistic question Good or Bad is pointless unless of course it's someone totally useless like Junior Lewis and I doubt anyone would put him in that league. As for putting it up for debate it was already being debated in the other topic. This is just a duplication with a very poorly thought out poll attached to it. But what the heck!
Legend_in_blue Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 You're wrong though it's not about not rating him it's about recognising his weaknesses to combat posters that believe he can do no wrong. Asking the simplistic question Good or Bad is pointless unless of course it's someone totally useless like Junior Lewis and I doubt anyone would put him in that league. As for putting it up for debate it was already being debated in the other topic. This is just a duplication with a very poorly thought out poll attached to it. But what the heck! Then let's start a Robbie Neilson thread...! He's not had one for a while...
marbelladave Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 Interesting... Most of the posts in support of Richie revolve around his feisty, combative nature and his ability to 'get in the face' of the opposition players. Whilst this attitude is, in itself, laudable I simply do not believe that is even close to being enough. In his defence I will say that against Burnley he was one of only 2 or 3 players who put up a fight, I do not know what was wrong with our team that day, but he, Hobbs and Howard (to a degree) were our only players willing to try and take on Burnley, commendable on the day. No, my view of Wellens has been consistent for more than a year, though I must admit that NFP's tendency to bypass the midfield with his direct approach meant that the issue was less noticeable than is now the case. I am reluctant to criticise one of our players in detail but I think this is important as his contribution in all areas bar those mentioned above is so detrimental to our play. Generally I feel he is all bluster, if he sits deep he may shout and point a lot but it his usually him who is out of position defensively and his tackling is poor, either ineffective or on occasions reckless. Even worse when he tries to take on the playmaker role he brushes aside more capable players to be at the center of things before taking too long on the ball, then chipping over ambitious passes into a set and organised defence thus creating little and regularly losing possession. If I read Sousa's intentions correctly then his idea of a passing game is nothing like the 'tiki-taka' of Spain but much more like the swift counterattacking play shown by Germany (to keep to World Cup analogies). To implement this style the midfield players need to switch the play quickly with incisive pass and move tecniques that King excells as but Wellens does not. In effect by slowing down our 'transitions' Wellens is breaking up our attacking play and making it easier for the opposition to get organised and get tight to our front men, which is one of the primary reasons that our 'final' balls so often fail. In most cases they are cleared or blocked, leaving our strikers with nothing more than half chances to work with. Here endeth the lesson!... Sorry to go on at length about what is a pretty 'technical' issue but I think it is pivotal to what Sousa is trying to do...
tetly Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 He is one of our better players, not everything he does works out but he gives 110 % and shows passion when he plays.
carterfox90 Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 shows alot of passion most games good overall
fox123 Posted 1 September 2010 Posted 1 September 2010 Good or bad does it matter? If a player wants to leave a club he wont give his all and evidently look sh1te anyway. If he wants to stay he will fight for the cause and be a hero. I'd rather someone like Josh Low here trying his hardest than a fvcking Richie Wellens looking else where. B0llocks to those handing in transfer requests. We're now rich, we can replace you!
Collier Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 Thinks he's the badger's nadgers, really rates himself. Not too bad a player really, has the odd quiet game but the team seems to suffer whenever he's out of action, he's notable by his absence.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 WTF. He runs about a lot. He is the most creative player, blah blah blah. Turning in to another Ian Hume. The stats do not back any of this up. One fooking night in Cardiff does not make a hero. Btw we lost that game. Flashy yet distictly average, will have splinters in his arse from all the bench time he will have once Abe takes his place.
Collier Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 I'm sure Donny Rovers fans will say the same about someone who was integral to the fluid passing game they've adopted over the past few seasons under O'Driscoll. NAWT
Fox92 Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 He is not good, he is fantastic. One of my favourite players, wins clever fouls, has a great first touch, picks out a fantastic pass, gets stuck in and is very creative. Sometimes when he didn't play last year, or when we would go off, we wouldn't be as creative and have that cutting edge. Fantastic footballer, you can see why he played for Manchester United. One of the first names on my team sheet if I was manager.
Thracian Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 Yet he's our joint top scorer this season... Only because Kingy's goals get ruled out unfairly!
Manwell Pablo Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 Wellens is a half decent player but we've got better.
marbelladave Posted 2 September 2010 Posted 2 September 2010 Wellens is a half decent player but we've got better. That's fair... His atitude is decent, but his ability is not. So 'half' decent, QED... Fox92....Rapier witt, then again maybe not... It's an sort of a day...
Nick Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 I think Wellens was awesome in League 1 and last year too, for the first half of the season especially. I think he suited Pearson's style of play... or lack of style..... I also think that after the signing of Abe he's probably looking forward to going out on loan. If I had to put money on the transfer request saga my money would be on him to have put one in. There is a lot of talk and speculation linking him to Leeds United from my vast array of unreliable sources. I'd actually like Wellens to stay, though if Abe is as good as we think, he may not want to warm the bench, he's too used to being one of the first on the team-sheet. Think slow Richie and make good decisions.
Kilworthfox Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 I think Wellens was awesome in League 1 and last year too, for the first half of the season especially. I think he suited Pearson's style of play... or lack of style..... I also think that after the signing of Abe he's probably looking forward to going out on loan. If I had to put money on the transfer request saga my money would be on him to have put one in. There is a lot of talk and speculation linking him to Leeds United from my vast array of unreliable sources. I'd actually like Wellens to stay, though if Abe is as good as we think, he may not want to warm the bench, he's too used to being one of the first on the team-sheet. Think slow Richie and make good decisions. He never played for us in League 1 mate but I guess you mean his extensive history playing in the 3rd teir I can'y see why we would let him go, especially considering his performances & the fee we signed him for. I think he is a definate starter for me and I would drop King, Oakley before Wellens as I believe him to be our best Central midfielder having not seen Moreno or Abe play there. The whole idea of Wellends being allowed to believe he is anything otheer than an integeral part of LCFC's futre plans seems bizzare to me.
Nick Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 He never played for us in League 1 mate but I guess you mean his extensive history playing in the 3rd teir I can'y see why we would let him go, especially considering his performances & the fee we signed him for. I think he is a definate starter for me and I would drop King, Oakley before Wellens as I believe him to be our best Central midfielder having not seen Moreno or Abe play there. The whole idea of Wellends being allowed to believe he is anything otheer than an integeral part of LCFC's futre plans seems bizzare to me. Sorry..... I was on a lot of tablets that year my memory is errr hazy I thought Hobbs Wellens and Weale were our best players last season tbh.
Kilworthfox Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 Sorry..... I was on a lot of tablets that year my memory is errr hazy I thought Hobbs Wellens and Weale were our best players last season tbh. I know mate all's forgiven Hobbs & Weale were great, but IMO so was Wellens Fryatt, Waghorn et al great season, no reason why this can't be that bit better though
Jimmy2Drags Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 Interesting... Most of the posts in support of Richie revolve around his feisty, combative nature and his ability to 'get in the face' of the opposition players. Whilst this attitude is, in itself, laudable I simply do not believe that is even close to being enough. In his defence I will say that against Burnley he was one of only 2 or 3 players who put up a fight, I do not know what was wrong with our team that day, but he, Hobbs and Howard (to a degree) were our only players willing to try and take on Burnley, commendable on the day. No, my view of Wellens has been consistent for more than a year, though I must admit that NFP's tendency to bypass the midfield with his direct approach meant that the issue was less noticeable than is now the case. I am reluctant to criticise one of our players in detail but I think this is important as his contribution in all areas bar those mentioned above is so detrimental to our play. Generally I feel he is all bluster, if he sits deep he may shout and point a lot but it his usually him who is out of position defensively and his tackling is poor, either ineffective or on occasions reckless. Even worse when he tries to take on the playmaker role he brushes aside more capable players to be at the center of things before taking too long on the ball, then chipping over ambitious passes into a set and organised defence thus creating little and regularly losing possession. If I read Sousa's intentions correctly then his idea of a passing game is nothing like the 'tiki-taka' of Spain but much more like the swift counterattacking play shown by Germany (to keep to World Cup analogies). To implement this style the midfield players need to switch the play quickly with incisive pass and move tecniques that King excells as but Wellens does not. In effect by slowing down our 'transitions' Wellens is breaking up our attacking play and making it easier for the opposition to get organised and get tight to our front men, which is one of the primary reasons that our 'final' balls so often fail. In most cases they are cleared or blocked, leaving our strikers with nothing more than half chances to work with. Here endeth the lesson!... Sorry to go on at length about what is a pretty 'technical' issue but I think it is pivotal to what Sousa is trying to do... Brilliant analogy of a mediocre player. Well done Dave....enjoy your holiday!
Wymsey Posted 8 September 2010 Posted 8 September 2010 Wellens is a half decent player but we've got better. Who do think is a decent player in our midfield then. Properly only Dyer and Gally when they are on their best forms. Hope Gally returns back from injury good. We need his presence on the right. I am just wishing this Abe guy is not going to be a poor foreign player for us especially as he played for his country three months ago
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