buzzy Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Sun 9 12:45 A Coventry City FLC L 1-2 16,279 Tue 11 19:45 A Shrewsbury LGCP W 3-3 (aet 4-2 on pens) 4,184 Sat 15 15:00 H Leicester City FLC D 0-0 22,454 Tue 18 19:45 H Crystal Palace FLC L 1-3 20,348 Sat 22 17:20 A WBA FLC L 0-2 19,390 Tue 25 19:45 A Peterborough LGCP L 1-2 5,451 Sat 29 15:00 H Preston FLC D 1-1 19,454 September Sat 12 15:00 A Middlesbrough FLC L 1-3 19,742 Tue 15 19:45 H Nottm Forest FLC D 1-1 21,130 Sat 19 15:00 A Doncaster FLC D 3-3 10,711 Sat 26 17:30 H Newcastle FLC L 0-4 27,059 Tue 29 19:45 A Sheffield Utd FLC D 3-3 28,366 October Sat 3 15:00 A Barnsley FLC L 1-2 12,224 Sat 17 15:00 H Swansea City FLC D 1-1 19,667 Tue 20 19:45 H Watford FLC D 1-1 19,283 Sat 24 15:00 A Plymouth FLC D 1-1 this was how ipswich started last season 4 points in 8 games / 8 points in 14 games and still finished 15th in the league last season. i wanted paulo sacked after friday but with all the other managers who have been mentioned i would still keep him until the end of october because if roy keane can do it so can **
kimsalabim Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Yep, cos 15th place would only be 10 places lower than last season. OUR CLUB IS GOING BACKWARDS!!! WHY ARE WE ACCEPTING IT??? SOUSA OUT.
buzzy Posted 27 September 2010 Author Posted 27 September 2010 you have got to admit we overachieved last season so the start we have had i for one would be happy with 15th . i bet ipswich fans are now glad they did not sack keane.who would you replace sousa with then
Fox92 Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 OUR CLUB IS GOING BACKWARDS!!! WHY ARE WE ACCEPTING IT??? SOUSA OUT. That would make us go backwards even more. We've got to give Sousa time - It has took David Jones 5 years to build up a very good side at Cardiff. Last season Roy Keane was finding his feet and now look at Ipswich. Sacking the manager now wouldn't resolve our situation, and I am not even attracted to the managers that would even apply for the job.
kimsalabim Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 That would make us go backwards even more. We've got to give Sousa time - It has took David Jones 5 years to build up a very good side at Cardiff. Last season Roy Keane was finding his feet and now look at Ipswich. Sacking the manager now wouldn't resolve our situation, and I am not even attracted to the managers that would even apply for the job. It took NP 2 seasons to build a side that was just as good, if not better, that would have got through had wayne brown have played And ain't he spent enough money doing it? Our track record of finding the right manager is not a good one, granted, but we need to replace sousa, the players arent fit,, and they don't want to play for him. End of story. Anybody who would be happy with Leicester City finishing in 15th place in any league other than the premiership needs to have a think, After being in the playoffs and finally challenging for promotion again, we are going back to the wonderful Craig Levein league positions and accepting it. Any business, including football is about moving forward. Get Rid.
Babylon Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 but we need to replace sousa, the players arent fit,, and they don't want to play for him. Love how you base your reasoning in on 1) something that isn't true and 2) something that is only a rumour.
The Doctor Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 It took NP 2 seasons to build a side that was just as good, if not better, that would have got through had wayne brown have played And ain't he spent enough money doing it? Our track record of finding the right manager is not a good one, granted, but we need to replace sousa, the players arent fit,, and they don't want to play for him. End of story. Anybody who would be happy with Leicester City finishing in 15th place in any league other than the premiership needs to have a think, After being in the playoffs and finally challenging for promotion again, we are going back to the wonderful Craig Levein league positions and accepting it. Any business, including football is about moving forward. Get Rid. Frankly i think everyone here would have been delighted with 15th place at the start of last season - Besides hull are currently sat in 15th managed by a certain NP, who's to say that wouldn't have been the case for us if he'd stayed here? And if that was the case would you accept it or would you be calling for his head?
ozleicester Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 15th.. in the premeirship? ... not acceptable!! .. random manager out!!
Ford Super Sunday Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Or, how about, it might not get better, and the pletherer of clubs that start badly and end up being relegated might be a club we make a comparison to, rather than clubs who revive and do really well in the second half of the season. Whatever the case, this season is dead, dud and over. We'll probably recover and finish somewhere between 13-21st this season, but the only thing we've got to look forward to is a decent cup run, which would be a welcome distraction.
Edmund Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 i bet ipswich fans are now glad they did not sack keane.who would you replace sousa with then I bet Norwich fans are now glad they sacked Gunn and replaced him with Lambert. See what I did there
Free Falling Foxes Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Unfair comparison I feel. Keene had more of a track record than Sousa has. I was ready to have him shot after Friday - now I've mellowed a little. I would give him 'til the end of next month. However, If we should have a couple of embarassing defeats/lackluster performances in the next 3 or 4 matches then surely he'll go. Who replaces him? Who knows, but it couldn't be any worse and despite it's 'only' 8 games, time isn't on our side. Could get better? It HAS to get better!
Heart-Shaped Fox Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Well we'd all be happy with a 15th place finish wouldnt we?! Though I'd take it over where we are now I havge to say.
Jakemoore Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 you have got to admit we overachieved last season so the start we have had i for one would be happy with 15th . i bet ipswich fans are now glad they did not sack keane.who would you replace sousa with then We didn't over achieve we were top 6 all season
Lillehamring Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 We didn't over achieve we were top 6 all season which was an over-achievement, based on the fact that we'd only just got promoted and hadn't finished in the playoffs for years and years. at the start of last season, most people on here were talking about mid table being a decent return, there was even quite a strong anti-promotion wave here, saying going up would be a catastrophe as we'd end losing every week (oh the irony) so, yes, being in or around the playoffs all last season was overachieving. As i've said numerous times elsewhere, the table is always deceptive this early in the season, the other week, we lost or didn't play or something and moved up the league, it's that tight. sousa's record is P11 W4 D2 L5.....personally, i don't read that as 'the worst leicester has ever been' - we haven't completely lost the ability to win, and unlike NP, we don't have the luxury of playing against L1 teams to build momentum. the posibilty of getting better are much better than a lot of people think.
Guest Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Stop saying we over-acheived. It's no fluke over a whole season and let's face it we could easily have gone through in the playoffs.
Babylon Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Stop saying we over-acheived. Ok, we exceeded all expectations.
Kitchandro Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 That would make us go backwards even more. We've got to give Sousa time - It has took David Jones 5 years to build up a very good side at Cardiff. Last season Roy Keane was finding his feet and now look at Ipswich. Sacking the manager now wouldn't resolve our situation, and I am not even attracted to the managers that would even apply for the job. This logic is bollocks. last season we were in the play-offs. If Dave Jones had taken over a Cardiff team in the Championship play-offs and taken 5 years to get them there again....well he wouldn't be given the 5 years would he? No, he'd be sacked, because he'd be doing a shit job. Cardiff came up from League 1 and improved (like Pearson did). And those Ipswich results aren't nearly as bad as Sousa's - plus Ipswich were not in the play-offs the season before (I don't think)
Wymsey Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Ok, we exceeded all expectations. and now we haven't got any expectations as i don't really know what EXACTLY the direction of the club is.
Babylon Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 This logic is bollocks. Says the man saying this... And those Ipswich results aren't nearly as bad as Sousa's Ipswich 4 points 8 games. Leicester 5 points 8 games. Doh. and now we haven't got any expectations as i don't really know what EXACTLY the direction of the club is. The world is our oyster then!!
Cat Burger Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 As has been intimated on the thread you have to judge each case on its merit. Keane and Dave Jones clearly know the English/Welsh game better than Sousa who never played here. In the cold light of day we've been having 'off days' far too frequently and after a 6-1 drubbing to second bottomof the league I feel no one can be blamed for wanting the bloke gone. During his brief tenure any shoots of player recovery have quickly been trampled by noticeable malcontent and ridiculous buffoonery. Look what happened when Holloway rightly went. Like Mandy or not (not) you have to give him credit for the judgement of that appointment (ok so the rest of the track record is bollocks). I do think we have to gamble and I think Chris Powell would definitely do a good job upto a replacement being found (and beyond). It won't happen though I'm dead against not giving managers time, but as I said, 6-1 to Portsmouth XI and their squad of 3 and it's out of the window when it comes to the club you love.
Kitchandro Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Says the man saying this... Ipswich 4 points 8 games. Leicester 5 points 8 games. Doh. The world is our oyster then!! hmmm, think you might be forgetting a certain result on Friday Plus at least Keane demands things from his players, he criticises them if they are shit and won't accept anything less than 100% commitment again, no comparison with Sousa
Babylon Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 hmmm, think you might be forgetting a certain result on Friday No i'm not. Plus at least Keane demands things from his players, he criticises them if they are shit and won't accept anything less than 100% commitment Yet with all that in his favour, after 8 games he had less points than we do now... interesting.
Kitchandro Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 No i'm not. Yet with all that in his favour, after 8 games he had less points than we do now... interesting. Yes but at least he showed promise to try and change it. He didn't seem oblivious to the fact that his team weren't doing well. Oh, and Keane got Sunderland promoted, so he at least had previous. Mate why are you just arguing for the sake of it? You know I'm right when I say you can't compare Dave Jones at Cardiff to Sousa at Leicester, so why argue against the fact that the logic is bollocks? I explained why it is. Are you just going to defend Sousa no matter what? What positives can you take out of what he has done so far?
BruinFox Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 hmmm, think you might be forgetting a certain result on Friday Plus at least Keane demands things from his players, he criticises them if they are shit and won't accept anything less than 100% commitment again, no comparison with Sousa Couldn't agree more you definitely cannot compare Keane to Sousa.
Babylon Posted 27 September 2010 Posted 27 September 2010 Yes but at least he showed promise to try and change it. He didn't seem oblivious to the fact that his team weren't doing well. Ha ha so what promise did Keane show in his 8 games that we haven't here. In what way is Sousa oblivious to us not doing well? "I am committed to a long-term project at Leicester City, but to achieve this I know we must have short-term success"... sounds like a man well aware he needs to improve. Oh, and Keane got Sunderland promoted, so he at least had previous. Sousa did ok at Swansea and had a slow start their... so you could say he has previous also. Mate why are you just arguing for the sake of it? You know I'm right when I say you can't compare Dave Jones at Cardiff to Sousa at Leicester, so why argue against the fact that the logic is bollocks? I explained why it is. I've not said anything about your Dave Jones point, it was a valid point. I highlighted the fact you had a go at someone for their logic not making sense, and then spouted the ridiculous line about Keanes results being better than Sousas... when in fact they were worse. Are you just going to defend Sousa no matter what? What positives can you take out of what he has done so far? Someone has to defend Sousa against your false results statement. If you want to make things up to suit your argument then know yourself out, but I won't be joining the bandwagon.
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