lcfc"weasel" Posted 11 January 2011 Posted 11 January 2011 I know that the FT forum isn't really the place for this, but English fans 'winning back their game'? Since when was ultra style support ever part of the English fan mentality? Ultras took there inspiration from the English support 20 years ago, it's gone full cycle, you can argue that it started in England and hence we should take it back and make it ours again. Btw, Morgan seems to be talking alot of sense, welcome to the forum
purpleronnie Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 Not sure about his sig though. Weasels right about the old english support influencing the ultras but that only goes as far as banners/flags and the tifo side of it. The english fans have never really united against the other side of supporting your club, ticket prices, policing, kick off times, renaming stadia etc.... The difference in my opinion is we are much more individualistic in our views, we go to games for the most part as individuals, no mass congregating or togetherness before games, most fans are split up all around the stadium, most wouldn't go out there way in the week to organise anything, its the matchday for a few hours and thats it, what I've noticed from living abroad its the fans dedication to all that goes on with the clubs all week. Other european/world clubs find it very easy to organise 1000's of fans very quicklly where here you'll be lucky to get a couple of people show up as most can't be bothered or just don't see it as as important. People say the ultra mentality won't catch on but its really only the last decade or so where its been needed, before fans never really needed to unite because there was little to rail against, ticket prices were reasonable, we still had terraces, no new stadiums, no rebranding etc... As more time passes any connection the fans had with their club and the palyers is dissapearing, a new breed of fan is growing up to believe fans should sit, be quiet the idea of swaying terraces and mass singing is not even a distance memory its not a memory at all. However I do believe the ultra style as far as creating an atmosphere can have an impact, there are a small number who are fed up with the current atmospheres but more importantly willing to do something about it, over the past few years there has been an increase number of fans who sing what have been in the past mostly ultra style songs, even drums which I'm sure 15 years ago wouldn't have been accepted into grounds have a place in quite a few grounds, we saw with the man city fans and before that celtic fans that even the grecque has now filtered though. As more and more time passes and stadiums become quieter there is a need for fans to organise maybe for the first time thats why its impossible to say whether the ultra mentality can work because its only now that things have reached a stage where unless fans organise nothing will change.
lcfc"weasel" Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 Not sure about his sig though. Weasels right about the old english support influencing the ultras but that only goes as far as banners/flags and the tifo side of it. The english fans have never really united against the other side of supporting your club, ticket prices, policing, kick off times, renaming stadia etc.... The difference in my opinion is we are much more individualistic in our views, we go to games for the most part as individuals, no mass congregating or togetherness before games, most fans are split up all around the stadium, most wouldn't go out there way in the week to organise anything, its the matchday for a few hours and thats it, what I've noticed from living abroad its the fans dedication to all that goes on with the clubs all week. Other european/world clubs find it very easy to organise 1000's of fans very quicklly where here you'll be lucky to get a couple of people show up as most can't be bothered or just don't see it as as important. People say the ultra mentality won't catch on but its really only the last decade or so where its been needed, before fans never really needed to unite because there was little to rail against, ticket prices were reasonable, we still had terraces, no new stadiums, no rebranding etc... As more time passes any connection the fans had with their club and the palyers is dissapearing, a new breed of fan is growing up to believe fans should sit, be quiet the idea of swaying terraces and mass singing is not even a distance memory its not a memory at all. However I do believe the ultra style as far as creating an atmosphere can have an impact, there are a small number who are fed up with the current atmospheres but more importantly willing to do something about it, over the past few years there has been an increase number of fans who sing what have been in the past mostly ultra style songs, even drums which I'm sure 15 years ago wouldn't have been accepted into grounds have a place in quite a few grounds, we saw with the man city fans and before that celtic fans that even the grecque has now filtered though. As more and more time passes and stadiums become quieter there is a need for fans to organise maybe for the first time thats why its impossible to say whether the ultra mentality can work because its only now that things have reached a stage where unless fans organise nothing will change. Cracking post. Agree with virtually everything you've said there. It's time to stand up and make a change with the way football is going in this country. Near enough everyone moans about the atmosphere at Filbert Way whilst there are very few people who are willing to actively make a change, it's a shame.
1964FOX Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 Cracking post. Agree with virtually everything you've said there. It's time to stand up and make a change with the way football is going in this country. Near enough everyone moans about the atmosphere at Filbert Way whilst there are very few people who are willing to actively make a change, it's a shame. This single sentance sums it up perfectly and from one so young in years actually does give me hope for the future.
MORGAN Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 How do you think lads?? Any chances for some noise against Millwall??
lcfc"weasel" Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 How do you think lads?? Any chances for some noise against Millwall?? I'll guarantee you noise in SK1.
anotherharboroughfox Posted 12 January 2011 Posted 12 January 2011 I'll guarantee you noise in SK1. as will I
Finnegan Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 I would much rather the whole world sat and ate pies and prawn sandwiches with their flasks than adopt hooliganism as any sort of standard to aim for, Morgan. I actually don't subscribe to the typical anti-hooliganism views, I'm actually quite happy to see firms exist and to see them do whatever it is they want to do. If a group of consenting adults want to meet a group of consenting adults and willingly kick the shit out of each other then who am I to tell them it's a stupid idea? But when you bring it to football grounds you end up with unwilling people caught in the cross-fire and that's when it just gets ugly. As for atmosphere in general, eh. I don't believe that creating noise at the Walkers is a lost cause. The biggest problem we suffer is that there was a shift from Filbert Street to the Walkers with no actual organization at all. So we went from having a vocal and intimidating support, concentrated in one corner of the ground, to having a bunch of guys who fancied singing and had no idea where to sit. Now we've got people in L1 and stretched across the whole back row of the kop, all the way up to C2 and we've got the Fosse Boys in their own little corner. Well anyone with a brain can see that's fucking retarded. Until you get 99% of Leicester's vocal support to sit in the same part of the ground and singing the same songs you aren't going to have a lasting, potent atmosphere in the Walkers - end of. If you have a concentrated group making all the noise in the ground then it'll soon spread out from there. Against Man City there was a tidy atmosphere and it's noticeable that it slowly spread out to C2, C1 and even down the main stand. You start making impressive noise and it will spread. But while you sit with L1 singing about eating dogs, the kop singing about hating forest against every fucking team and the Fosse Boys singing what might as well be Bocelli's Por Ti Volare for as much as their surrounding fans know then you aren't going to have an atmosphere. Fact.
Alexikokopops Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 I would much rather the whole world sat and ate pies and But while you sit with L1 singing about eating dogs, the kop singing about hating forest against every fucking team and the Fosse Boys singing what might as well be Bocelli's Por Ti Volare for as much as their surrounding fans know then you aren't going to have an atmosphere. Fact. That paragraph sums the situation up perfectly.
purpleronnie Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 I agree, the club missed a trick when we moved, they could easily assigned an area for the singers to go, but maybe they didn't do that on purpose, which if true is very sad indeed.
MORGAN Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 I would much rather the whole world sat and ate pies and prawn sandwiches with their flasks than adopt hooliganism as any sort of standard to aim for, Morgan. I actually don't subscribe to the typical anti-hooliganism views, I'm actually quite happy to see firms exist and to see them do whatever it is they want to do. If a group of consenting adults want to meet a group of consenting adults and willingly kick the shit out of each other then who am I to tell them it's a stupid idea? But when you bring it to football grounds you end up with unwilling people caught in the cross-fire and that's when it just gets ugly. As for atmosphere in general, eh. I don't believe that creating noise at the Walkers is a lost cause. The biggest problem we suffer is that there was a shift from Filbert Street to the Walkers with no actual organization at all. So we went from having a vocal and intimidating support, concentrated in one corner of the ground, to having a bunch of guys who fancied singing and had no idea where to sit. Now we've got people in L1 and stretched across the whole back row of the kop, all the way up to C2 and we've got the Fosse Boys in their own little corner. Well anyone with a brain can see that's fucking retarded. Until you get 99% of Leicester's vocal support to sit in the same part of the ground and singing the same songs you aren't going to have a lasting, potent atmosphere in the Walkers - end of. If you have a concentrated group making all the noise in the ground then it'll soon spread out from there. Against Man City there was a tidy atmosphere and it's noticeable that it slowly spread out to C2, C1 and even down the main stand. You start making impressive noise and it will spread. But while you sit with L1 singing about eating dogs, the kop singing about hating forest against every fucking team and the Fosse Boys singing what might as well be Bocelli's Por Ti Volare for as much as their surrounding fans know then you aren't going to have an atmosphere. Fact. I didnt say anything about adopting hooliganism of any kind of support and bringing that to the grounds. What I was saying was to make just more noise and adopt something frome ultras flags,scarves etc. Football is not just a game is a passion. It would be much nicer to see more people singing,waving flags,scarves. Just to make a real good atmosphere. Even to adopt the "Poznan thing" thats notthing wrong with that is just more fun. hooliganism
anotherharboroughfox Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 I didnt say anything about adopting hooliganism of any kind of support and bringing that to the grounds. What I was saying was to make just more noise and adopt something frome ultras flags,scarves etc. Football is not just a game is a passion. It would be much nicer to see more people singing,waving flags,scarves. Just to make a real good atmosphere. Even to adopt the "Poznan thing" thats notthing wrong with that is just more fun. hooliganism you definately sound like you'd enjoy sk1 more than L/K
skyblueinpeace Posted 13 January 2011 Posted 13 January 2011 its not poznan its THE poznan and if u do it.. u wont be copying us u will be copying the lech poznan fans we will be doing it again in the 24th min again in the replay.... feel free to join us
Ashley Posted 15 January 2011 Author Posted 15 January 2011 We got the poznan/Grecques going today after we scored
Matt Posted 15 January 2011 Posted 15 January 2011 Lets adopt the 'Let's learnt to have some cutting edge, kill a game off and win a game' mentality.
MORGAN Posted 15 January 2011 Posted 15 January 2011 We got the poznan/Grecques going today after we scored Did anyone record that??
AmyLGK Posted 15 January 2011 Posted 15 January 2011 I joined in with this today! Wondering atmosphere from our fans - loved it!
Ashley Posted 15 January 2011 Author Posted 15 January 2011 How many out of the 2500 we're doing it? About 500 in the top corner, it was probably less. That's all ic could see anyway, not sure if anyone on the left was doing it.
ManCityTom Posted 15 January 2011 Posted 15 January 2011 Good on you lads for getting it going our whole entire ground were doing it today
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