MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 SACKED IN THE MORNING, YOU'RE GETTING SACKED IN THE MORNING!!!
breadandcheese Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Go and do it to a female co-worker now then you div. He wasn't on a night out, he was at work. It doesnt matter if it wasn't intended for broadcast. Thank you for calling me a div. Very well thought out, so I'll rise to the bait. Was a complaint registered by a colleague about Andy Gray's behaviour to lead to disciplinary action? How did the videos leak onto the internet? Whether from a disgruntled employee or not, the leaked video has prejudice the disciplinary action against Mr Gray as it is this leaking which has made his position seemingly untenable. On that basis, if I was Andy Gray, I would be seeking immediate legal advise as there sounds a strong case for unfair dismissal. My point in all this is that Andy Gray is being held up to higher standards than the rest of society with huge amounts of hypocrisy. So whilst his joke to his colleague was drole, stupid and unfunny, I don't really understand the media frenzy and mass outrage, especially when no-one shines a mirror to themselves. Sky Sports presents shows with hints of sexism (Sky Sports News, Soccer AM, etc). Terrestial TV does the same (Loose Women, reality TV). The print media (broadsheet media, as well as tabloid, not forgetting Nuts, FHM and Zoo). Harry redknapp when he says that even his wife could have scored that. The general public as a whole in many different scenarios (from everyday life to work based settings such as Christmas parties). There's even a possible hint of ageism (another -ism that society coveniently ignores), with a person from a different generation having what's considered a dinosaur mentality. I'm not going down that road, but a good lawyer could probably make a case. So I think the reaction is over the top. He should have apologised and provided the ladies in question accepted the apologies, everyone should have moved on. His attitude of women officiating is a decreasing minority and in due course, I think he would have changed his opinion as it is hard to argue against women officials when they perform just as well as male counterparts. I'm also pretty sure that he would not have made any more lewd comments at work after a quiet word from a boss.
broughtonblue Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Just a thought, how many of you have slagged off women drivers? Same thing really On a lighter note. these games consoles are so clever now, my mrs went on my new FIFA 2012 , only to hear the voice of Andy grey say "feck off back in the kitchen, my dinners burning"
Alexikokopops Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Thank you for calling me a div. Very well thought out, so I'll rise to the bait. Was a complaint registered by a colleague about Andy Gray's behaviour to lead to disciplinary action? How did the videos leak onto the internet? Whether from a disgruntled employee or not, the leaked video has prejudice the disciplinary action against Mr Gray as it is this leaking which has made his position seemingly untenable. On that basis, if I was Andy Gray, I would be seeking immediate legal advise as there sounds a strong case for unfair dismissal. My point in all this is that Andy Gray is being held up to higher standards than the rest of society with huge amounts of hypocrisy. So whilst his joke to his colleague was drole, stupid and unfunny, I don't really understand the media frenzy and mass outrage, especially when no-one shines a mirror to themselves. Sky Sports presents shows with hints of sexism (Sky Sports News, Soccer AM, etc). Terrestial TV does the same (Loose Women, reality TV). The print media (broadsheet media, as well as tabloid, not forgetting Nuts, FHM and Zoo). Harry redknapp when he says that even his wife could have scored that. The general public as a whole in many different scenarios (from everyday life to work based settings such as Christmas parties). There's even a possible hint of ageism (another -ism that society coveniently ignores), with a person from a different generation having what's considered a dinosaur mentality. I'm not going down that road, but a good lawyer could probably make a case. So I think the reaction is over the top. He should have apologised and provided the ladies in question accepted the apologies, everyone should have moved on. His attitude of women officiating is a decreasing minority and in due course, I think he would have changed his opinion as it is hard to argue against women officials when they perform just as well as male counterparts. I'm also pretty sure that he would not have made any more lewd comments at work after a quiet word from a boss. Have you read the Guardian article (I posted it up the page a bit)? It sounds as though everyone at Sky wants to get rid of them both! I'm expecting a lot more videos of Richard Keys to pop up over the next few days on top of the "did you smash it?" one that appeared last night. I think the way it's all come about is regrettable, but at the end of the day none of us know what's gone on before hand. By the sounds of it they've both been up to their tricks for about 20 years, and I'd be surprised if people hadn't had a word before (again, pure opinion). I guess it all coming out in the open is the straw that broke the camel's back (the "can you tuck me in" video, rather than the lineswoman comments), especially with Sky's attempts to improve their image over the past year or so. Seriously though, they both sound like complete and utter jebends. JAMES RICHARDSON FOR SKY
Jackirius Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 When will these lot be sacked then? All they do is sit on a table and slag off men all day...
cc_star Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Thank you for calling me a div. Very well thought out, so I'll rise to the bait. Was a complaint registered by a colleague about Andy Gray's behaviour to lead to disciplinary action? How did the videos leak onto the internet? Whether from a disgruntled employee or not, the leaked video has prejudice the disciplinary action against Mr Gray as it is this leaking which has made his position seemingly untenable. On that basis, if I was Andy Gray, I would be seeking immediate legal advise as there sounds a strong case for unfair dismissal. My point in all this is that Andy Gray is being held up to higher standards than the rest of society with huge amounts of hypocrisy. So whilst his joke to his colleague was drole, stupid and unfunny, I don't really understand the media frenzy and mass outrage, especially when no-one shines a mirror to themselves. Sky Sports presents shows with hints of sexism (Sky Sports News, Soccer AM, etc). Terrestial TV does the same (Loose Women, reality TV). The print media (broadsheet media, as well as tabloid, not forgetting Nuts, FHM and Zoo). Harry redknapp when he says that even his wife could have scored that. The general public as a whole in many different scenarios (from everyday life to work based settings such as Christmas parties). There's even a possible hint of ageism (another -ism that society coveniently ignores), with a person from a different generation having what's considered a dinosaur mentality. I'm not going down that road, but a good lawyer could probably make a case. So I think the reaction is over the top. He should have apologised and provided the ladies in question accepted the apologies, everyone should have moved on. His attitude of women officiating is a decreasing minority and in due course, I think he would have changed his opinion as it is hard to argue against women officials when they perform just as well as male counterparts. I'm also pretty sure that he would not have made any more lewd comments at work after a quiet word from a boss. 100% agree with you Also, the fact Charlotte (& Georgie) works on SkySports at all is down to sexism, being pleasing on the eye is a large part of why they got the job in the first. This isn't to say Andy Gray was justified in anyway, women should not have to put up with 'whilst your down there' style jokes in the workplace, he was wrong and should have been disciplined INTERNALLY as such, not on sneaky YouTube uploads. Sexism is all around us, women use it to their favour half the time and are victims the rest. andy Gray crossed the line, but dismissal following a trial by Twitter? that's a fooking joke
Babylon Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Obviously been well and truly stitched up by someone at Sky. They are entitled to think and say what they want in a private conversation no matter how ridiculous and antiquated they are. If one of the people working around them has a problem with the comments (be they male or female) then they should bring it up with their superiors, as would happen in any work place around the country. Recording their conversations and then leaking them has been done to destroy them, no more, no less. If the person responsible has reported things before and nothing has happened, then you could understand the leaks. But that's something nobody will ever know.
breadandcheese Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Have you read the Guardian article (I posted it up the page a bit)? It sounds as though everyone at Sky wants to get rid of them both! I'm expecting a lot more videos of Richard Keys to pop up over the next few days on top of the "did you smash it?" one that appeared last night. I think the way it's all come about is regrettable, but at the end of the day none of us know what's gone on before hand. By the sounds of it they've both been up to their tricks for about 20 years, and I'd be surprised if people hadn't had a word before (again, pure opinion). I guess it all coming out in the open is the straw that broke the camel's back (the "can you tuck me in" video, rather than the lineswoman comments), especially with Sky's attempts to improve their image over the past year or so. Seriously though, they both sound like complete and utter jebends. JAMES RICHARDSON FOR SKY The Guardian article prejudices any internal disciplinary action that is ongoing against Richard Keys. Richard Keys could legitimately argue in an employment tribunal that he is being victimised and forced out by bullying colleagues who don't like him. If there have been no complaints made to Sky bosses about his previous actions, an employment tribunal would have to ignore these incidents and concentrate solely on the leaking of footage and comments made to the media. In that sense, he is being forced out, not for his views, but because his colleagues don't like him/them. I have friends who work at the BBC and some of the things presenters have said off air would shock and appall in the same way, but because they are well liked, their jobs are safe. The Guardian article also mentions a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky Sports. is that the fault of the employee or the employer? It is very regrettable. I just don't know why they're being held up to different standards.
Guest Bilo Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 It sounds to me that Gray and Keys are a symptom of a sexist culture at Sky as opposed to the cause. Sure they sound like twats and I can't say I'd be disappointed never to see either of these two sexist Neanderthals on TV again but there's something much, much more serious going on at Sky Sports. Under-qualified women employed primarily because of the way they look in an effort to boost ratings, women leered over on Soccer AM every Saturday morning and the lack of any women anywhere near a commentary box does rather point to a laddish culture at the channel. They'be been made scapegoats and their sacking won't change a thing in my view. There again, are we all that shocked that a broadcasting behemoth notorious for it's right-wing bias on their news channel has had such a laissez-faire attitude to sexism in it's sports wing? My bet is the Sky hierarchy have known about their sexism for years and have chosen to turn a blind eye till now, in a cynical effort to keep their female subscribers from switching over to ESPN. This isn't about some desire to tackle endemic sexual discrimination, it's about preservation of profits and I hope every subscriber to Sky sees through it.
Alexikokopops Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 The Guardian article prejudices any internal disciplinary action that is ongoing against Richard Keys. Richard Keys could legitimately argue in an employment tribunal that he is being victimised and forced out by bullying colleagues who don't like him. If there have been no complaints made to Sky bosses about his previous actions, an employment tribunal would have to ignore these incidents and concentrate solely on the leaking of footage and comments made to the media. In that sense, he is being forced out, not for his views, but because his colleagues don't like him/them. I have friends who work at the BBC and some of the things presenters have said off air would shock and appall in the same way, but because they are well liked, their jobs are safe. The Guardian article also mentions a culture of bullying and sexism at Sky Sports. is that the fault of the employee or the employer? It is very regrettable. I just don't know why they're being held up to different standards. All fair points. On the "is it the fault of the employer" point it certain sounds like Sky haven't done enough to stamp it out internally if it is the case that they've been doing it for years. That Guardian article did say thongs have improved a bit under the current guy (who's been there 18 months) so maybe things have happened internally that we're not privy to. Then again, this post is all conjecture.
Babylon Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 That Guardian article did say thongs have improved a bit under the current guy Brilliant Are you Andy Gray?
lcfc_jme Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 All fair points. On the "is it the fault of the employer" point it certain sounds like Sky haven't done enough to stamp it out internally if it is the case that they've been doing it for years. That Guardian article did say thongs have improved a bit under the current guy (who's been there 18 months) so maybe things have happened internally that we're not privy to. Then again, this post is all conjecture. Definitely the fault of the employer. Absolutely disgraceful. Damn you Babylon
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Let's be honest here, most of TV is crap. But hey, there's always an audience, right?
Bellend Sebastian Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 All fair points. On the "is it the fault of the employer" point it certain sounds like Sky haven't done enough to stamp it out internally if it is the case that they've been doing it for years. That Guardian article did say thongs have improved a bit under the current guy (who's been there 18 months) so maybe things have happened internally that we're not privy to. Then again, this post is all conjecture. That's the main thing Edit: Naturally I'm about the 1000th person to pick up on that. Going back to the 'banter' argument, I hate that word too. It seems to be used increasingly as a get-out-of-jail card for acting like a complete c*** and then making light of it. How far can it go? I went round a recently bereaved woman's house and told her that her late husband was a massive willy puller, but it doesn't matter, it was just banter
Stig the Lawnmower Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Gray had to go, always thought he was an arrogant twat. what amuses me is the 'women don't understand the offside rule'?????? How narrow minded is that! it's not complicated in any way, is it?. Sexism is as bad as racism. As for female refs/linesman, why not? they will have to pass the same tests as anyone else.
Alexikokopops Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Thongs, superb I blame the iPhone keyboard
muzzy1981 Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Andy Gray lost his job because of the iminent News corporation BskyB bid decision, that latest video is likely to have been leaked so they could get rid. News Corporations has already had bad press recently with the News of the World phone hacking scandels, more bad press would have an impact upon there bid. IMO opnion he had to go but I'd rather him stayed and it damaged Skys reputation causing them to get there bid rejected. If Rupert Murdoch gets any more of his greedy mits on this countries Media we will end up having a media system like In Italy where Berlusconi (Huw Hefner) who owns 80% of the media has become the laughing stock of the world! Or in America where Rupert Murdochs Fox network brain washes the country into being Sarah Palin loving racists!
MC Prussian Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Oh! Oh! Spaghett-i-os! Earlier today, ... http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=70599&view=findpost&p=1783251
Simmo86 Posted 26 January 2011 Author Posted 26 January 2011 Oh! Oh! Spaghett-i-os! I'm sorry, but thats just lad talk! 9 out of 10 males in every workplace talk like that everyday! i'd be out of the job with the way I talk about some of the eastern europeans at my place!
Alexikokopops Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 I'm sorry, but thats just lad talk! 9 out of 10 males in every workplace talk like that everyday! i'd be out of the job with the way I talk about some of the eastern europeans at my place! I must be the 1 out of 10 then! I'm not sure how that would go down in my office. The other three don't look that comfortable with it. Also, I tend to use "her" rather than "it". Maybe that's just me though.
Maybes Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 Getting beyond a joke really. Its no different to Richard and Jamie going down the boozer and having a conversation about some bird serving behind the bar. Its not as if they did it while broadcasting. Richard Keys might be a Cov fan, but what a LAD. Great banter.
Babylon Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 but what a LAD. Great banter. Really? All seems a bit cringe worthy to me. Banter seems to have taken a different meaning, I always use to think that it took place between two people having digs at each other. Now people seem to hide behind the word so that they can be insulting towards others.
stripeyfox Posted 26 January 2011 Posted 26 January 2011 It's not even particularly funny, especially from a man of Keys age. I think he'll be out on his arse after this.
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