Fox92 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 but as I said Ricardo HASN'T made the same errors as Weale, in fact he hasn't done much wrong at all, that's what I was saying, Ricardo is a hate figure without the **** ups Ok. I was saying the opposite, I meant with the errors. As for the errors, I don't think he has made as many as Weale either. Did you watch the game yesterday? He ran his arse off. Did he?
Swampdog Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Fook me Did you watch the game yesterday? He ran his arse off. I was at the game yesterday.. and yeh he did run his arse off but where did he actually contribute.. he stands off everybody when they have the ball.. Its actually hard for me to remember many times he did have the ball but i may just have a bad memory.. Dont get me wrong, hes got some important goals this season and its not every game he goes missing its just i think his goals this season have inflated opinions of him when his overall game isnt that impressive.
Charl91 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 I think the problem with King is having a 3 man midfield.
Guest parky0607 Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Vitor - 10 Yakubu / Bruma - 1 Weale - Meh all our keepers are as average as each other imo Rest of the team okay, but could do better.
Haydos Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Vitor - 10 Yakubu / Bruma - 1 Weale - Meh all our keepers are as average as each other imo Rest of the team okay, but could do better.
ithuriel Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Fom the TV, well PC actually Weale..................3 Naughton...........6 Vitor.....................7 Brumma.............4 Mee.....................5 (since mee is very poor at lumping the ball up the pitch which is what he likes to do when dumped in the LB position) Oakley................7 ( surprisingly one of our better players these past few games) King...................4 Wellens.............7 Gallagher..........6 Kamara..............5 Yakubu............McDonalds .. Yuki..................5 Howard............3 Vassel.............7
Corky Posted 23 April 2011 Posted 23 April 2011 Weale- 3 Naughton- 6 Bruma- 6 Vitor- 6 Mee- 7 Wellens- 6 Oakley- 7 King- 6 Gallagher- 6 Yakubu- 4 Kamara- 5
bald reynard Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 OK... Weale -1 -unacceptable Naughton-8- typically good game Vitor-7- as good as he was today, he was largely at fault for the first. Bruma-5- OK first half, gave the ball away in dangerous areas second. Looked a bit of a donkey again at times, not good enough. Mee-8 - partly at fault for first goal for not charging down the cross, other than that very good. Certainly has a future at left back Oakley-7.5- Got stuck in, great goal. Influence lessened after half time (not sure how long he was injured for though). Wellens -7- decent game, threat was nullified for large parts because they pressed us and closed him down. Never stopped trying to make things happen as always. King-4- Form has been terrible recently. Just not in the game at all. Chasing down was half hearted. Looked cream-crackered. Kamara-5.5 - Looked dangerous at times, flatteres to decieve. Yakubu- 4 - credit where credit's due, he did chase down a few lost causes. Unfortunately he put his slippers on instead of his boots this afternoon. Clown. Gallagher-5 - bad game. Little influence, gave the ball away quite a bit. Not suited to game on the stretch, or playing on the right as he likes to come inside. subs Vassell-7.5 - so much more effective than the Yak, showed why we should be utilizing him in the middle rather than the wing. In the right place for the goal, well played. Abe-6- partly at fault for 2nd goal when he dived in. Ran around a lot, couldn't do much else with the way we were playing. Howard - 5 - no impact. About right. Key points:- Bruma and Yakubu are c**p and a waste of space - get rid Weale is s***e, but probably worth keeping as a reserve King has become anonymous - hope he picks it up again for next season Kamara is OK - but not worth buying
cairnsy Posted 24 April 2011 Author Posted 24 April 2011 Kamara is OK - but not worth buying Kamara is the best player at the club . He makes so much happen, despite recieving shit service from players and being double/triple marked by their defenders.
Fox92 Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Kamara is the best player at the club . He makes so much happen, despite recieving shit service from players and being double/triple marked by their defenders. No -- Richie Wellens is the best player at the club. Kamara is quite lazy as well, and Yakubu doesn't get much service and is always tightly marked, but everyone still slates him
Kitchandro Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Kamara is the best player at the club . He makes so much happen, despite recieving shit service from players and being double/triple marked by their defenders. What are you basing this on? He's scored one goal. He's looked useful and lively at times and not done a lot wrong but what else has he 'made happen' exactly? Everyone's been wanking over this guy since before he even kicked a ball for us. And when I say everyone I mean the teenagers mainly. What's so special exactly?
The Doctor Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 No -- Richie Wellens is the best player at the club. Kamara is quite lazy as well, and Yakubu doesn't get much service and is always tightly marked, but everyone still slates him which explains why he's shit whenever abe isn't playing. Kamara isn't the best player either, i'd probably give that to naughton, vitor or gallagher.
Thracian Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 I would actually be quite happy to see King sold.. dont know what anyone else thinks but hes been missing in games for half of the season and sure he pops up with goals from time to time (albeit not too recently.. 1 in 11 is it?).. but i think we could get an inflated price for him at the moment and could go towards reinforcing the midfield in the summer.. Problem with King is that he can finish exellently but as a midfielder he needs to do a lot more then that and he just cant.. his work off the ball is non-existant.. in my opinion hes a weak link in our middle 3. Why don't you look at it the other way when you're talking about weaknesses and say let's have 10-15 goals a season from Abe, Wellens and Oakley? There's no signs that even all three put together can score as many goals as King. While King has shown in the past that he can play a traditional defensive midfield role - and stabilise our defence - there's no chance the other three can play conventional midfield and act as support striker as you somehow expect of King. . The most serious single problem in our team is at centre-forward. Until we get someone who is quick, strong and can lay the ball off to runners stretching the width of the pitch we'll never get the best out of our midfielders. Given such a striker and two genuine wingers we could play King just behind a striker in a 4-5-1 formation. But in a passing team you have to use width otherwise it is too easy for defenders to smother our progress. Wingers helped by attacking full-backs will ensure we take people on and disturb defences allowing space to open up for strikes on goal. Given time and space King is a clever and accurate finisher and has simply been subdued of late because opponents are taking notice of him which they don't have to do with Abe, Wellens or Oakley for the most part. But I've talked about this before. Yet we still don't catch on and continue slowly working the ball into a crossing situation then loft the ball into the air where we've no chance of winning it. We shouldn't be thinking about ditching our top scorer and demonstrably best midfield finisher we should get a coach in who can demonstrate exactly how a team can attack in numbers and as one. Revie's Leeds team had Lorrimer and Gray, Liverpool had Thompson and Callaghan, United had Ronaldo and Giggs. All of them people who disturbed defenders. I shouldn't have to spell it out, it's obvious. And if we had such wingers King and Wellens would be in their element and opponents couldn't afford to bank up on King.
bald reynard Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Kamara is the best player at the club . He makes so much happen, despite recieving shit service from players and being double/triple marked by their defenders. I repeat - Kamara is OK (of course, that COULD mean that he is the best player at the club !). The point is, Fulham will want at least £5m for him - that's too much.
Haydos Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 I repeat - Kamara is OK (of course, that could mean that he is the best player at the club!!). The point is, Fulham will want at least £5m for him - that's too much. His contract runs out this summer, soooo........
yag101 Posted 24 April 2011 Posted 24 April 2011 Do any of you see what King actually does? His work off the ball is immense, manages to appear just about everywhere. Closed down intelligently, high up the pitch, preventing attacks in the early stages, made interceptions, and made some excellent runs off the shoulder of the last man, but was never picked out. Stretched the play well, linking up with the full backs.
orangecity23 Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 If we cast our minds back to earlier in the season, King was in fantastic form. He was scoring for fun, but also he was starting to shed the 'anonymous' tag. Not that he wasn't working before, but he was starting to really diversify his game. He was running with the ball, taking up wide positions, and scored some truely excellent goals. It looked like he was kicking on to the next level. For the last third of the season, he's done little, but at the same time he's looked leggy and slow. But is this so suprising? He's only 22, he's played the whole season, and on the back of a shoddy pre-season. He's been running on empty, and simply can't do anymore. I look forward to seeing him next season, after a good pre-season, he should hopefully be able to carry his good form through a whole season. When he was at his best earlier this year, people were shitting themselves at the prospect of a Prem vulture stealing him away. The prospect of him carrying that through the whole of next season, we could be looking at a 20 goal midfielder.
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 bald reynard has had an absolute stinker in this thread. £5 million for Kamara - !
B52 Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 His contract runs out this summer, soooo........ This could be nice....
Kitchandro Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Do any of you see what King actually does? His work off the ball is immense, manages to appear just about everywhere. Closed down intelligently, high up the pitch, preventing attacks in the early stages, made interceptions, and made some excellent runs off the shoulder of the last man, but was never picked out. Stretched the play well, linking up with the full backs. He may have made a couple od runs and interceptions but that's really not enough. His closing down was half-hearted and he generally looked knackered. Anyway, King is on the field to influence the game especially going forward. Players like him, Yakubu, Gally and Wellens need to get hold of the ball and do something with it. If the movement of our players off the ball is so good (as defenders of Yakubu and King are constantly saying) why does the man in possession always have little options? Why do we move the ball so slowly? Why are we so predictable? On Friday, and in a number of games over the last couple of months, there's been too many players in a single game not really doing enough. King needs to add more to his game so that he can adapt his playing style when things aren't falling for him. We know he can be devastating on his day, but for the last 2 months he really hasn't fired at all for whatever reason.
cairnsy Posted 25 April 2011 Author Posted 25 April 2011 No -- Richie Wellens is the best player at the club. Kamara is quite lazy as well, and Yakubu doesn't get much service and is always tightly marked, but everyone still slates him Kamara lazy? Are you stupid, he tracks back so much, his movement is brill. Yeah I'm not one who dislikes yak I still like him but he was like bambi on ice at trees. Richie has Been off form for months
cairnsy Posted 25 April 2011 Author Posted 25 April 2011 What are you basing this on? He's scored one goal. He's looked useful and lively at times and not done a lot wrong but what else has he 'made happen' exactly? Everyone's been wanking over this guy since before he even kicked a ball for us. And when I say everyone I mean the teenagers mainly. What's so special exactly? You must have seen what he didn't against burnley when he got service.
Fox92 Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Kamara lazy? Are you stupid, he tracks back so much, his movement is brill. Yeah I'm not one who dislikes yak I still like him but he was like bambi on ice at trees. Richie has Been off form for months His movement is good, and he comes deep for the ball, he still is quite lazy though. And he's not the only one, theres Gallagher as well. Richie is the only one to get stuck in and close down (excpect Abe when he plays, and more recentley Oakley). Our first goal was due to Wellens closing down Morgan. I don't think he's been off form though.
ithuriel Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Kamara is'nt lazy but he does not like getting kicked and manhandled, in the prem opposition players may get pulled by the referee for those kind of things but in this division refs let things like that go far too often and he does not like it. If he is available and wants to play here at a lower level next season which i doubt then he would be a decent aquisition.
The Doctor Posted 25 April 2011 Posted 25 April 2011 Kamara is'nt lazy but he does not like getting kicked and manhandled, in the prem opposition players may get pulled by the referee for those kind of things but in this division refs let things like that go far too often and he does not like it. just a shame that this league is a competitive, physical league and so he's going to get kicked and man-handled then.
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