DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Do what Nick would do. Kiss and cuddle them, and say how much society misunderstands them.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Do what Nick would do. Kiss and cuddle them, and say how much society misunderstands them. Like we should do with you, DT? I like to think I understand you, so it won't be necessary
Thracian Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 What we must first discount is the theory that the riots were a direct response to governmental policies, they weren't. By the time the rioting had spread outside of London I would be prepared to wager this month's paycheck that the overwhelming majority of those involved wouldn't have a clue who Mark Duggan even was; let alone the circumstances behind his death or the long, bloody history of a police service that has seen over 300 people die in police custody without a single conviction. They wouldn't have had much of a clue about the Tory led spending cuts that have seen youth clubs and projects having their funding cut and they certainly wouldn't know about the growing threat of a double-dip recession brought about by the worsening crisis in the Eurozone. These weren't the student tuition fees protests, the Poll Tax riots or Broadwater Farm riots which had very specific causes with most of the rioters knowing exactly what the grievances were. This was an outpouring of anger and violence with no single reason, no common cause. If you were to ask the rioters themselves, reasons ranged from striking a blow against 'rich' business owners, to protesting against poor relations between the police and British youth via expressing anger toward British relations with Israel. The fact is this; most didn't have a single, solitary clue why they were there. All they knew was that they were angry and wanted to express their anger through whatever means possible. The questions then must be: 'Why were they so angry that they would smash up their own community, their own streets and ruin the lives of their neighbours?' 'What did all the rioters have in common?' The first question brings up some disturbing answers. The fact is that these people don't care about their community, streets or neighbours. They don't care that Mrs Smith at No. 24 is 82 and has lived there since 1957, they've noticed she has an expensive TV and they want it. They don't care that the local furniture store has been a much-loved part of the community for over 150 years, it's owned by a rich bloke and they hate the rich so it must be burned down. How did we get to this point? How did we get from people looking in shops at desirable electrical goods and thinking 'I'll save my wages for that' to 'I must have it NOW and I don't care how so long as it's in my living room by tonight.'? We live in a consumerist society, where you judge fulfillment and success by your wage packet, comfort of living, the car you drive and the clothes you wear. You shop at Waitrose, live in a beautifully furnished four bed detached in a leafy cul-de-sac and drive a Merecedes then you're near the top of the food chain. You know it, you're fulfilled, you're happy. Consumerism loves you because you feed it with your hard-earned, you love it because it gives you everything you want and need. But what if you can't? What if you can only afford to shop at Lidl, live in a rented bedsit over a betting shop with graffiti on its metal shutters and can just about afford to run a clapped out Ford Escort? You're made to feel inferior to Mercedes Man and his four-bed house. You can't afford what he can afford so you can't contribute to a consumerist society nearly as well as he can, the adverts for new cars, sofas and electricals that are tempting to him appear to be making fun of you. You can't afford them, you probably won't ever be able to and yet still you're bombarded with ads. Since the banking crisis, you can't even get easy credit to keep up. If you can get credit at all, it's payday loans at grotesquely inflated rates from loan sharks like wonga.com and quickquid.com at 2000% APR or more. Resentment builds and how under these circumstances can you possibly feel connected to Mercedes Man who seems to have it all so easy? The newspaper advert says you could own a brand new car for 'just' £129 a month. For many people it really is 'just' £129 aa month, for a person struggling on the pay for 30 hours a week at minimum wage with rent to pay, it's unattainable. What else is clear is that these people do not feel part of any community. Community spirit in many areas of the country is dead, we as a nation barely speak to our neighbours and don't know them. We've gone from a friendly nation that would look after a neighbour's house when he and his wife went away on holiday to not even knowing his name or noticing he's been away for a fortnight. We're more insular as a nation, more individualistic and more wrapped up in our own problems than ever before. How long under those circumstances does it take before we go from not knowing about our neighbours to not caring a jot about them? How long from not caring a jot about our neighbours to not caring about our community as a whole? From there we have the next step, which we have seen in such terrible abundance over the past few days. Seeing your neighbours and community as an opportunity, they have the things you want and that's that. They aren't friends, hard-working people or people to care about; they're opportunities. People who are rich don't have a back story of years of hard work to get there, they're richer than you and can afford the things you want but can't get so they become targets not of aspiration, but of loathing. The commercials don't say you have to work hard to afford their products, just that they're affordable, competitively priced and easy to get hold of. You can't get hold of them? You're a failure, get out of my shop you prole. It could be argued that this is Thatcherism at its most raw, its most visceral. When she said that 'there is no such thing as society' she opened a can of worms. The quote meant you should look out only for your interests, get what you want from life and don't be burdened by supporting and helping others, get rich without caring how many people you have to step on on the way up. You wanted it Maggie, you got it. A perversion of what you wanted by people you wouldn't have pissed on if they were on fire perhaps, but the basic spirit is still there. The bankers did it in a purer form. The risks they took endangered the savings and accounts of thousands of ordinary people like you and me, but did they care? Did they hell, they wanted to make a massive profit for their banks in the stock exchange so they could get their bonuses so sod the rest, there's money to be made you know. The selfishness and devil-may-care attitude towards others is not confined to the 'yoof' in Adidas tracksuits and Elizabeth Duke jewellery, it permeates from the very top of the food chain right the way down. Our entire society is sick MPs, not just pockets of it. A bit selective maybe, but a brilliant post, a lot of interesting points and a good read.
Salieri Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Who does this angry old bugger remind you of ? DT!!! :eek:
Webbo Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Who does this angry old bugger remind you of ? I've never liked Pat Condell but I find it hard to disagree with most of that.
CupidStunt Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Dont know whether the police have this man (green tee shirt, showing off his haul) but he was named early on as ALEX GEORGE on another forum i go on, before he took his facebook page down http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/10/uk-riots-police-release-more-cctv-pictures-of-suspects-115875-23334868/ is there a reward?
Zingari Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I've never liked Pat Condell but I find it hard to disagree with most of that. i really like old Pat , he's godless and doomed just like me
jonthefox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I left school at 16 with hardly any qualifications. I went from shit job to shit job and hardly ever had any money. Fast forward 25 years and i live in a detached house in the suburbs, drive a newish car and take foriegn holidays, why?.Hard work, saving and going without thats why. All this talk of disillusioned youth is rubbish. They simply cant understand why they havnt had it handed on a plate to them.
Daggers Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 In 6 months time I'll be amazed if anything has changed, if any positive action has been taken and anyone gives a fvck.
Rincewind Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 If only things were as black and white as many on here believe.
FoxyPV Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 If only things were as black and white as David Starkey believes.
Rincewind Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 And going by posts on here some agree with him. They are outnumbered thankfully.
Webbo Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 In 6 months time I'll be amazed if anything has changed, if any positive action has been taken and anyone gives a fvck. Word.
ozleicester Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 How many of the bankers that looted BILLIONS of pounds from us all are in prison today? So, we are going to kick the looters out of their homes and take away their benefits... hmmm that will work wont it, now they have a hatred for society, no homes and no incomes. YEP THATS GONNA SOLVE THE PROBLEMS!
accessory Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Boris Johnson calls for action on gangs and illiteracy Expect to hear more of such talk during the next few days, which will make many Foxestalk posters VERY nervous..
Rincewind Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Boris Johnson calling for action on illiteracy? Have you seen some of his interviews? A selection of Boris Johnson's most memorable quotes Last updated at 18:47 16 July 2007 * Comments (0) * Add to My Stories On George W Bush "The President is a cross-eyed Texan warmonger, unelected, inarticulate, who epitomises the arrogance of American foreign policy." On using a mobile phone while driving "I don't believe that is necessarily any more dangerous than the many other risky things that people do with their free hands while driving - nose-picking, reading the paper, studying the A-Z, beating the children, and so on." On commuting "I forgot that to rely on a train, in Blair's Britain, is to engage in a crapshoot with the devil." On Euro-scepticism "I can hardly condemn UKIP as a bunch of boss-eyed, foam-flecked Euro hysterics, when I have been sometimes not far short of boss-eyed, foam-flecked hysteria myself." On Tony Blair "It is just flipping unbelievable. He is a mixture of Harry Houdini and a greased piglet. He is barely human in his elusiveness. Nailing Blair is like trying to pin jelly to a wall." On becoming Prime Minister "My chances of being PM are about as good as the chances of finding Elvis on Mars, or my being reincarnated as an olive." On Channel 5 "I don't see why people are so snooty about Channel 5. It has some respectable documentaries about the Second World War. It also devotes considerable airtime to investigations into lap-dancing, and other related and vital subjects." On being sacked by Michael Howard "My friends, as I have discovered myself, there are no disasters, only opportunities. And, indeed, opportunities for fresh disasters." On how to vote "Voting Tory will cause your wife to have bigger breasts and increase your chances of owning a BMW M3." On why he voted for David Cameron as Tory leader "I'm backing David Cameron's campaign out of pure, cynical self-interest." On drugs "I think I was once given cocaine but I sneezed so it didn't go up my nose. In fact, it may have been icing sugar." On the City of Portsmouth "Too full of drugs, obesity, underachievement and Labour MPs." On tennis "I love tennis with a passion. I challenged Boris Becker to a match once and he said he was up for it but he never called back. I bet I could make him run around." On the Liberal Democrats "The Lib Dems are not just empty. They are a void within a vacuum surrounded by a vast inanition." Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-468727/A-selection-Boris-Johnsons-memorable-quotes.html#ixzz1V7W76Oi9
Daggers Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Boris Johnson calling for action on illiteracy? Have you seen some of his interviews? <list of quotes> ...and exactly which one of those was an example of him being illiterate?
Smudge Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Just got a semi looking at that!! Did you now that in the US an articulated vehicle is called a semi truck? (pronounced sem eye) Your are singh_ularly perceptive.
Zingari Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Did you now that in the US an articulated vehicle is called a semi truck? (pronounced sem eye) Your are singh_ularly perceptive. i'm glad you've explained that smudge , i really had no idea how that tractor unit was a "semi" i was too embarrassed to ask
Blinking Blue Owl Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 For any of you lefty hand ringers who have some sort of misguided sympathy for these low life scum just wait until they come down your street and loot your house and run down and murder your kids who are trying to protect what you have worked so bloody hard for . Because unless we tackle this in a serious way that's exactly what they will do . What ever your social status education or unemployment it does not give you the right to loot and behave like savages , that is the road to anarchy . Yes the MP's are a bunch corrupt self serving immoral degenerates as are the bankers but so far not murdered anyone . These feral sub humans have no remorse or conscience they don't have the intelligence for those emotions . So the only thing they will understand is the physical pain of a 7.62 round through their inbred skulls . I will personally take part in a low life cull if i get the chance .
Smudge Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 i'm glad you've explained that smudge , i really had no idea how that tractor unit was a "semi" i was too embarrassed to ask Oh did I just tread on my dick? Been away too long
Zingari Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Oh did I just tread on my dick? Been away too long no, i really didn't know
Daggers Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Did you now that in the US an articulated vehicle is called a semi truck? (pronounced sem eye) Your are singh_ularly perceptive. Which explains why Singh is always polishing his semi and asking me if I'd like a ride.
Smudge Posted 16 August 2011 Posted 16 August 2011 Which explains why Singh is always polishing his semi and asking me if I'd like a ride. And asking what Ken's worth and how Peters built See you at Barnsley?
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