dannythefox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I like Kingy as a player but I don't know how anyone can say he offers much more than goals. I hardly notice him except for when he scores, he's definitely not an all round midfielder. I do think he probably should start though, I just can't make my mind up on the other two. That's why the lad so good you don't realise what he does until he's not on the pitch.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Neil danns is a superb player (weren't the bulk on here saying that when we signed him......) However, he is being made to look very average in this Sven team.. When Sven plays him in his natural position and he begins to know what he is doing in this team danns will impress us all And he's just as good as andy king Agree with all that. Danns isn't in his natural postion. Although he can play out wide, I think he is the type of player that should be behind the striker. I'd like to see him here, I think then he will score goals from midfield.
dannythefox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yea but King is 10x better than Danns Dont be daft if he was 10x better he would be playing for Man Utd!
surrifox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Danns at £0 is probably the best of our summer acquisitions- player at the peak of his career. The side haven't clicked yet but he will be a v. good player for us
Corky Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 If we are going to play one up front (hopefully not again!) King has to play purely because he offers far more threat than the other midfielders. His scoring record outshines anyone else at the club. Nugent tried his best but had to run the channels to receive the ball, leaving no-one in the middle. King would provide that.
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yes he should start, we miss him a lot and I think that him and Danns would be good if Danns was in front of King and Fernandes Been saying this for months, years even. Kings best position is as part of a midfield two who cover the back 4 when we do not have possession and dictate our attacking play when we do. Fernandez looks to be his ideal partner in this role.... Danns will do this too. Danns needs to be given a proper role, he is one of several players who could play the creative role in front of King / Fernandez and at the moment woyld be my choice to do that. Neil danns is a superb player (weren't the bulk on here saying that when we signed him......) However, he is being made to look very average in this Sven team.. When Sven plays him in his natural position and he begins to know what he is doing in this team danns will impress us all And he's just as good as andy king He is a very good player indeed, no argument there. At the moment he needs a defined role that plays to his strengths, as per the comment above. That's why the lad so good you don't realise what he does until he's not on the pitch. Sort of, get him in his best position and he will be even better, again see the comments above.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King's speed of football brain is in a totally different category to any of our other central midielders whether in defence or attack. While Wellens has three or four touches to decide what to do King can have passed the ball twice and as for his goals and the calibre, coolness and the imagination of those goals, people like Wellens, Abe, Waghorn and company can only dream of such things. Even defensively, King is far superior. Just because he doesn't flex his muscles much or impress with a Mee-type tackle doesn't mean he doesn't win the ball in the air as well as on the ground but mainly, it is his positioning that sets him apart. He's not quite a Tunchev in terms of reading the game but he's not far off. To be truthful I'm a bit surprised he didn't move on to the Premiership when there was comment that Everton were interested. I believe he feels considerable loyalty to Leicester given that they revived his career post Chelsea but when a club's fans prefer the often inconsequential huffing and puffing of Abe and Wellens to the goals tally and all-round accuracy and intelligence of King then I can well understand why we're where we are.. Yes, he can disappear - and as often as not it's because there's no-one else on his wavelength. As I've mentioned, Wellens often seems to avoid passing to him. But when The Yak was around, or in tandem with Gallagher or even Vassell when he played in the middle briefly, King is foreever dangerous because he's a guy who needs and responds to his playing partners. And if Sven can't see that then he needs a new pair of glasses. I agree with most of what you say, except for the bit about him defending in the air because that is certainly an area he can improve on. But even that shortcoming is forgiveable when he offers so much elsewhere, we can't expect him to be brilliant at everything! I really rate King, and I think most of our other fans do, in contrast to what you say and I'd argue that he's somewhat a fans' favourite. The thing for me with King though, is that he's had three years in the team and sooner or later he needs to start grabbing hold of games and being the one who makes the difference in his all round play, not just through a goal. A guy of his ability should be able to dictate games more, and I think that's the difference between him being a very good Championship player or a PL payer. Someone who scores as many as he does, and has the ability he has, should be the sort of player that when you're one down can grab the game and make something happen, even if it isn't for himself. Yes he pops up with goals frequently but when we're losing he's often guilty of going missing. With so much competition in his area now it's really time for him to step it up. Hopefully he'll be in the team and doing that on Wednesday.
bald reynard Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Lloyd Dyer is the missing link - see my post !
Tielemans63 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRQjn-8ZrlhjVnUsElaJaKIch16BMnYRgYar74Ai0vFSuAK1odvXg Kingy gets ready for action.
sg6 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Personally i thought King looked poor on Saturday when he came on, I realise it's different when a player starts because as a sub you need to catch up with the speed of the game. But at times he was lathargic and was struggling to get back in a defensive position after an attack. On Weds i think we should try Danns in his natural position and see what he has to offer there before judging him and I dont believe out wide is his best position. If he doesnt perform then King has to come in for Saturday
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Personally i thought King looked poor on Saturday when he came on, I realise it's different when a player starts because as a sub you need to catch up with the speed of the game. But at times he was lathargic and was struggling to get back in a defensive position after an attack. I think King looks poor most of the time. He had one good shot on Saturday and that was it, other than that he didn't tackle when required - yet again. He always looks lathargic and tired, which is pretty poor considering his young age. This is why I get confuzed when people say he is a box to box midfielder who links the defence to attack because he isn't. How many times did you see Izzet looking lathargic? Never, and he was a fantastic box to box midfielder.
games Posted 15 August 2011 Author Posted 15 August 2011 Sven, ARE YOU READING THIS? Some great comments These are people who have watched this team, week in, week out and care deeply about its success. Although we appreciate Sven that showing extended loyalty to a club may not be something necessarily on your radar. King may not be the most able mathematician, but he sees the angles well and plays for the team rather than looking to "show off". If only he had a brother who was any good!
bald reynard Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 In fact, for the Brizzle game I'd make 2 definite changes from the side that started against Reading - I'd bring in King for Abe and Dyer for Ssscchh. I'd probably also bring in SSL for Mills - but there's no way Sven will do that !
Thracian Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I think King looks poor most of the time. He had one good shot on Saturday and that was it, other than that he didn't tackle when required - yet again. He always looks lathargic and tired, which is pretty poor considering his young age. This is why I get confuzed when people say he is a box to box midfielder who links the defence to attack because he isn't. How many times did you see Izzet looking lathargic? Never, and he was a fantastic box to box midfielder. King didn't look lethargic at Coventry or against Reading. He did lots of good things, including ball winning at Coventry with very little support and, quite apart from having our only worthwhile shot on target against Reading he never stopped trying to make something happen with short, sharp attempted passes into dangerous areas. Unfortunately for any substitute, picking the pace and weight of a pass is never easy and, on this occasion, King's efforts failed - a low cross intercepted, a give and go hit slightly too hard, a first time flick not reached. Had King been involved from the off his touch may well have been surer by the second half. Mistakes are always a possibility when a team is losing and having to make something happen in desperation, but at least he did take risks and try to do things quickly enough to perhaps break Reading down. He was seen to fail but who else was trying anything apart from Bamba? No-one. Even Gallagher's dead ball kicks were predictable and/or badly delivered/directed. And it's no use looking to the past. We haven't got an Izzett or, even more impressively, a Davie Gibson. But even those players had a bloody good team around them, not a contrived team of functional misfits.
unreachable Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King didn't look lethargic at Coventry or against Reading. He did lots of good things, including ball winning at Coventry with very little support and, quite apart from having our only worthwhile shot on target against Reading he never stopped trying to make something happen with short, sharp attempted passes into dangerous areas. Unfortunately for any substitute, picking the pace and weight of a pass is never easy and, on this occasion, King's efforts failed - a low cross intercepted, a give and go hit slightly too hard, a first time flick not reached. Had King been involved from the off his touch may well have been surer by the second half. Mistakes are always a possibility when a team is losing and having to make something happen in desperation, but at least he did take risks and try to do things quickly enough to perhaps break Reading down. He was seen to fail but who else was trying anything apart from Bamba? No-one. Even Gallagher's dead ball kicks were predictable and/or badly delivered/directed. And it's no use looking to the past. We haven't got an Izzett or, even more impressively, a Davie Gibson. But even those players had a bloody good team around them, not a contrived team of functional misfits. I thought King looked tired and dispirited and failed to tackle. King cannot expect a place in the team when he is anonymous for long periods. He needs to be contributing for the whole match.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I thought King looked tired and dispirited and failed to tackle. King cannot expect a place in the team when he is anonymous for long periods. He needs to be contributing for the whole match. I agree. King fails to tackle every match which does my head in. Any player cannot be anonymous, especially a midfielder, and King is anonymous constantly. But people fail to see this because King scores goals and some people think this is the only thing a player should do, which is wrong. Look further into players...
Thracian Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I thought King looked tired and dispirited and failed to tackle. King cannot expect a place in the team when he is anonymous for long periods. He needs to be contributing for the whole match. Nugent didn't tackle, Konchesky didn't attack, Wellens didn't shoot, Abe didn't do much at all, Schlupp didn't seem to have any idea what he was supposed to be doing, Mills didn't impress anyone and Pantsil didn't overlap...but all you can say is that our most threatening and top-scoring midfielder didn't tackle. Tiatto tackled like a demon but still went an entire season for us without being on the winning side once!. King contributes as much as anyone and more than most in a whole variety of ways. .
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yea but King is 10x better than Danns Err. I don't think so, mate. Maybe you are just having a laugh.
unreachable Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Nugent didn't tackle, Konchesky didn't attack, Wellens didn't shoot, Abe didn't do much at all, Schlupp didn't seem to have any idea what he was supposed to be doing, Mills didn't impress anyone and Pantsil didn't overlap...but all you can say is that our most threatening and top-scoring midfielder didn't tackle. Tiatto tackled like a demon but still went an entire season for us without being on the winning side once!. King contributes as much as anyone and more than most in a whole variety of ways. . I stand by my opinion that King's contribution to the midfield is too inconsistent to be drawing so much high praise from you. I prefer a midfielder to tackle, break up play and challenge for the ball not just shepherd an attacking player.
Corky Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I agree. King fails to tackle every match which does my head in. Any player cannot be anonymous, especially a midfielder, and King is anonymous constantly. But people fail to see this because King scores goals and some people think this is the only thing a player should do, which is wrong. Look further into players... Okay, I see a player who is excellent defensively in our box, keeps it simple and moves the ball quickly, as well as always providing support for the strikers with well-timed runs.
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Okay, I see a player who is excellent defensively in our box, keeps it simple and moves the ball quickly, as well as always providing support for the strikers with well-timed runs. You're being remarkably restrained today.... Personally i prefer to call a spade a spade, and on this forum a bloody shovel more often than not.....
Thracian Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Football league statistics 2010/2011: Goalscorers: lst Andy King: 16 (best by five) Wellens 7th with 4. Assists: 2nd Wells with 9, 3rd King with 6 Shots: 1st King with 77, 7th Wellens (46) Both King and Wellens made 48 appearances all told (which was 10 more than anyone else). I'd be more than happy if someone could unearth pass completion and accuracy stats for the two.
He's not bald Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I don't rate King BUT while we haven't got a striker I think King should play because of his goal threat. The thing is, I don't know where he plays. His late runs and fantastic finishing suggest he is an attacking midfielder but he doesn't drive with the ball enough for me. So, is he a holding man? I think he is because he slows the game down and passes backwards/sidewards more often (which I hate), but then again he doesn't tackle enough or get stuck in enough. I have seen players that are 10x better than King that play like him. Players like Lewis McGugan who can score goals but will get back and tackle as well. King drifts in and out of the game, and I don't think he is good enough for the Premier League. When he came on against Bristol City, he had one shot, that was it. Other than that, I saw him back out of challenges constantly (like Gallagher). Can you give me the score please? (I'm off to Paddy Power with my mortgage money in the morning!
yag101 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 By 'going missing' do you guys mean making clever runs forward off the ball giving other team mates space and opening up the oppositions defence. Do you also mean, retaining possesion and allowing the team to build up attacks, as well as making forward passes to pierce the oppositions midfield and defence. Not to mention his finishing...top scorer from midfield last season. When he came on against Reading we looked a much better side. And yes, I was there.
Grewks Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Maybe the fact that kingy goes missing is because the role he plays, it may be because he is being marked out of the game by two players because of his amazing ability to make late runs. So maybe, just maybe the reason why other players play better when kingy is on the pitch is because he gives them extra space?? Although the missing link is definetley jimmy kebe or a cheeky £1 mil bid for Hal Robson Kanu?
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