games Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Firstly I should point out that I am not suggesting that King is the missing link in an evolutionary sense, even if he does have slightly apish features. In the post match interview, Sven talked about us using too much long ball and not maintaining possession. Yet he chose to leave out our tried and tested best ball keeper (and last season's top scorer to boot). What is Mr Eriksson up to, or am I missing something?
Kent Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I like Kingy as a player but I don't know how anyone can say he offers much more than goals. I hardly notice him except for when he scores, he's definitely not an all round midfielder. I do think he probably should start though, I just can't make my mind up on the other two.
The Doctor Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I like Kingy as a player but I don't know how anyone can say he offers much more than goals. I hardly notice him except for when he scores, he's definitely not an all round midfielder. I do think he probably should start though, I just can't make my mind up on the other two. I'm not sure about that, he's fairly tidy in possession - simple passes which, while resulting in a slow build-up, retain possession and allows us to build. While he's not an adept tackler he does seem to have decent defensive awareness as well.
themotivator Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Firstly I should point out that I am not suggesting that King is the missing link in an evolutionary sense, even if he does have slightly apish features. In the post match interview, Sven talked about us using too much long ball and not maintaining possession. Yet he chose to leave out our tried and tested best ball keeper (and last season's top scorer to boot). What is Mr Eriksson up to, or am I missing something?
Miquel The Work Geordie Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 Keeps the ball equally as well as Wellens and chips in with goals. No brainer over who should start out of the two for me.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 14 August 2011 Posted 14 August 2011 I'm not sure about that, he's fairly tidy in possession - simple passes which, while resulting in a slow build-up, retain possession and allows us to build. While he's not an adept tackler he does seem to have decent defensive awareness as well. I would say that he offloads the ball more quickly than most in the team allowing the play to keep progressing. I thonk that because he goes for the easier pass it can go unoticed. Also still the best finisher at the club by a long way. He does suffer from going into hiding in games though. Needs to start taking more responsibility on if he is ever to progress any further than the level he is at now.
Guest NGoloMode Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Andy King should be in the first 11 for me. Confuses me that Sven is looking for that '20 goal a season' striker yet drops the player that got anywhere close to 20 goals last season. May not be the hardest tackler but he tracks back well and works hard defensively too. Rarely loses the ball too.
Leicester_Loyal Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Hes gotta start for me against Bristol now.
kingfox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King and Gallagher are both needed in my opinion, the midfielders we played on Saturday don't score goals and are too defensive. Fernandes, Abe, Wellens, Danns playing them at the same time just isn't good enough, Moussa, Dyer, King, Gallagher two of them need to play to get things going.
Raw Dykes Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King and Gallagher are both needed in my opinion, the midfielders we played on Saturday don't score goals and are too defensive. Fernandes, Abe, Wellens, Danns playing them at the same time just isn't good enough, Moussa, Dyer, King, Gallagher two of them need to play to get things going. I agree with most of this, except that I think Danns will be far more effective when he gets to play in his best position. I'm not sure about Moussa, either. I think he has potential, but I don't think he'll feature much for us this season.
marbelladave Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I like Kingy as a player but I don't know how anyone can say he offers much more than goals. I hardly notice him except for when he scores, he's definitely not an all round midfielder. I do think he probably should start though, I just can't make my mind up on the other two. This is true enough but not the whole story, King is missunderstood and played out of position. He is a regular goalscorer but this does not make him an attacking midfield player, understanding this is the key. I'm not sure about that, he's fairly tidy in possession - simple passes which, while resulting in a slow build-up, retain possession and allows us to build. While he's not an adept tackler he does seem to have decent defensive awareness as well. Actually his simple passes are more likely to maintain momentum than not, he is not a particularly physical player but he is exceptional when defending in and around our box. I would say that he offloads the ball more quickly than most in the team allowing the play to keep progressing. I thonk that because he goes for the easier pass it can go unoticed. Also still the best finisher at the club by a long way. He does suffer from going into hiding in games though. Needs to start taking more responsibility on if he is ever to progress any further than the level he is at now. He disappears because he is deployed too far forward, defensively he lacks physical presence but as mentioned above his last ditch tackles and goal line clearances have saved us many times. It is his skill and lack of physicality that makes him such a fine defender in our own box. Agree entirely about his finishing, but he is much better making his runs from deep. Play him as the attacking mid and not only his he ineffective in himself but he occupies the space a proper creative player would use, even worse still is that he he is way less effective as a finisher if he receives the ball when he is already well forward, he is often caught flat footed and often crowded out. King is far more effective playing deep where he can deploy his defensive skills in our own box and making his attacking runs from deep, when he arrives unmarked and ar pace.
Danno Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yes he should start, we miss him a lot and I think that him and Danns would be good if Danns was in front of King and Fernandes
foxoffderby Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Andy King should be in the first 11 for me. Confuses me that Sven is looking for that '20 goal a season' striker yet drops the player that got anywhere close to 20 goals last season. May not be the hardest tackler but he tracks back well and works hard defensively too. Rarely loses the ball too. Totally agree with this. King must start Wednesday
teblin Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 When you are play 4 5 1 you need someone who gets into the box from midfield and king is the only player that we have that does that.
Danno Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 When you are play 4 5 1 you need someone who gets into the box from midfield and king is the only player that we have that does that. Danns will do this too.
Thracian Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King's speed of football brain is in a totally different category to any of our other central midielders whether in defence or attack. While Wellens has three or four touches to decide what to do King can have passed the ball twice and as for his goals and the calibre, coolness and the imagination of those goals, people like Wellens, Abe, Waghorn and company can only dream of such things. Even defensively, King is far superior. Just because he doesn't flex his muscles much or impress with a Mee-type tackle doesn't mean he doesn't win the ball in the air as well as on the ground but mainly, it is his normally reliable passing and positioning that sets him apart. He's not quite a Tunchev in terms of reading the game but he's not far off. To be truthful I'm a bit surprised he didn't move on to the Premiership when there was comment that Everton were interested. I believe he feels considerable loyalty to Leicester given that they revived his career post Chelsea but when a club's fans prefer the often inconsequential huffing and puffing of Abe and Wellens to the goals tally and all-round accuracy and intelligence of King then I can well understand why we're where we are.. Yes, he can disappear - and as often as not it's because there's no-one else on his wavelength. As I've mentioned, Wellens often seems to avoid passing to him. But when The Yak was around, or in tandem with Gallagher or even Vassell when he played in the middle briefly, King is foreever dangerous because he's a guy who needs and responds to his playing partners. And if Sven can't see that then he needs a new pair of glasses.
Danno Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King's speed of football brain is in a totally different category to any of our other central midielders whether in defence or attack. While Wellens has three or four touches to decide what to do King can have passed the ball twice and as for his goals and the calibre, coolness and the imagination of those goals, people like Wellens, Abe, Waghorn and company can only dream of such things. Even defensively, King is far superior. Just because he doesn't flex his muscles much or impress with a Mee-type tackle doesn't mean he doesn't win the ball in the air as well as on the ground but mainly, it is his positioning that sets him apart. He's not quite a Tunchev in terms of reading the game but he's not far off. To be truthful I'm a bit surprised he didn't move on to the Premiership when there was comment that Everton were interested. I believe he feels considerable loyalty to Leicester given that they revived his career post Chelsea but when a club's fans prefer the often inconsequential huffing and puffing of Abe and Wellens to the goals tally and all-round accuracy and inteligence of King then I can well understand why we're where we are.. Yes, he can disappear - and as often as not it's because there's no-one else on his wavelength. As I've mentioned, Wellens often seems to avoid passing to him. But when The Yak was around, or in tandem with Gallagher or even Vassell when he played in the middle briefly, King is foreever dangerous because he's a guy who needs and responds to his playing partners. And if Sven can't see that then he needs a new pair of glasses. I agree 100% with this, would give you a +1 but on my phone
Guest NGoloMode Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Danns will do this too. Yea but King is 10x better than Danns
Babylon Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I'm not Kings biggest fan by any means, but dropping him and Gallagher has taken 20 or so goals out of the team we had last year. I don't think King offers enough in the middle of the park and judging by Svens actions I would say he doesn't either, but whilst we are struggling going forward I think we need him in the team along with Gallagher.
Babylon Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yea but King is 10x better than Danns Don't be ridiculous, Danns also scored 10+ last year in a crap palace team. But he's playing out of position at the moment.
Fox92 Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I don't rate King BUT while we haven't got a striker I think King should play because of his goal threat. The thing is, I don't know where he plays. His late runs and fantastic finishing suggest he is an attacking midfielder but he doesn't drive with the ball enough for me. So, is he a holding man? I think he is because he slows the game down and passes backwards/sidewards more often (which I hate), but then again he doesn't tackle enough or get stuck in enough. I have seen players that are 10x better than King that play like him. Players like Lewis McGugan who can score goals but will get back and tackle as well. King drifts in and out of the game, and I don't think he is good enough for the Premier League. When he came on against Bristol City, he had one shot, that was it. Other than that, I saw him back out of challenges constantly (like Gallagher).
davieG Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 I don't rate King BUT while we haven't got a striker I think King should play because of his goal threat. The thing is, I don't know where he plays. His late runs and fantastic finishing suggest he is an attacking midfielder but he doesn't drive with the ball enough for me. So, is he a holding man? I think he is because he slows the game down and passes backwards/sidewards more often (which I hate), but then again he doesn't tackle enough or get stuck in enough. I have seen players that are 10x better than King that play like him. Players like Lewis McGugan who can score goals but will get back and tackle as well. King drifts in and out of the game, and I don't think he is good enough for the Premier League. When he came on against Bristol City, he had one shot, that was it. Other than that, I saw him back out of challenges constantly (like Gallagher). King doesn't slow the game down, he passes quickly and accurately and rarely misses, perhaps that's why you don't notice him because he's not making mistakes. He doesn't go gung ho into tackle because that risks injuries, bookings/sending offs and freekicks. what he does do is close players down whilst shepherding them into less dangerous channels forcing them to make the wrong/less dangerous pass. He isn't playing in the Premier League and that one shot he had was more than all the other midfielders had between them. I could go on but there must have been a 100 threads on the strengths and weakness of both King and Wellens and it's all been said so many times, people have their views and see what they want to see nothing will change that.
ScouseFox Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 King links midfield to attack, which it was blatantly obvious we were missing for most of Saturday. No coincidence that as soon as he came on we had a great 20 minutes were we should have scored. Him in for Abe/Wellens and a comfortable win on Wednesday.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 August 2011 Posted 15 August 2011 Yea but King is 10x better than Danns Neil danns is a superb player (weren't the bulk on here saying that when we signed him......) However, he is being made to look very average in this Sven team.. When Sven plays him in his natural position and he begins to know what he is doing in this team danns will impress us all And he's just as good as andy king
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