Maynard

[topharry123]

So would Maynard not be heavily marked as well? He has a reputation as well you know.

Difference is Yakubu is very easy to mark because he doesn't move. I lost count of how many times we needed an out ball or a killer pass and Yakubu was standing between/behind 2 defenders.

Maynard was marked when he played us but he pulled away to recieve the ball, and caused us problems all night because of it.

And again, would Yakubu have scored any of Maynard's 3 goals this season? I'd say definitely not.

That's not the point if Maynard would be heavily marked or not. You said Yakubu has nothing else to offer, I just gave you something else he has to offer.

How do you know if Yakubu would have scored his three this season or not? Would Messi have scored every single on of Yakubu's lasts season? Probably not. He might have got some but not all of them does not mean that Yakubu is better than Messi. Yakubu will score some that Maynard won't and vice versa. Either one of them will tear the league apart in our team. But you asked for another argument apart from 11 in 20 and I gave you that. Whether Yakubu moves much or not, if he's got 2 defenders marking him he is freeing up space for other players to create his chances which is worth a lot.

[topharry123]

So would Maynard not be heavily marked as well? He has a reputation as well you know.

Difference is Yakubu is very easy to mark because he doesn't move. I lost count of how many times we needed an out ball or a killer pass and Yakubu was standing between/behind 2 defenders.

Maynard was marked when he played us but he pulled away to recieve the ball, and caused us problems all night because of it.

And again, would Yakubu have scored any of Maynard's 3 goals this season? I'd say definitely not.

And FYI you're missing my point. I pretty much agree that Maynard will be great if he signed and i'd love to see him here (maybe all my posts don't reflect that well enough) the point i'm making is that Yakubu would be a great addition if we miss out on Maynard and certainly not a disappointment to the majority.

[ajthefox]

So would Maynard not be heavily marked as well? He has a reputation as well you know.

Difference is Yakubu is very easy to mark because he doesn't move. I lost count of how many times we needed an out ball or a killer pass and Yakubu was standing between/behind 2 defenders.

Maynard was marked when he played us but he pulled away to recieve the ball, and caused us problems all night because of it.

And again, would Yakubu have scored any of Maynard's 3 goals this season? I'd say definitely not.

Were you even at the same match I was? Bristol barely even came close to our goal! The first was a free kick and the second was a huge cock up from St Ledger. Apart from that they were poor going forward and gave Schmeichel little to do.

Yakubu wouldn't have scored the second but there's no fair reason for you to say he definitely couldn't have scored that free-kick. I don't know about Maynard's 3rd goal, but thats beside the point. There will be goals Maynard has scored that Yakubu won't but equally Yakubu will score goals Maynard won't. There is no way you can deny that and what's more important is that it's not a valid argument. The two play in much contrasting ways, would be used differently were they our players and obviously will score different goals because of this.

I'd prefer Maynard because long term it's a much better acquisition even at the ridiculously inflated price we look set to bid, but I would quite happily welcome Yakubu back. He would be far from a disappointment and you simply cannot argue against his strike rate. The most flawed thing about anti Yakubu arguments is that the whole reason he scores the goals he does is because he doesn't run around a lot, his movement is minimal, more central and it's what gets him into the scoring positions. If he ran around charging everyone down and tracking back more he simply wouldn't score the goals he does.

[Kitchandro]

That's not the point if Maynard would be heavily marked or not. You said Yakubu has nothing else to offer, I just gave you something else he has to offer.

How do you know if Yakubu would have scored his three this season or not? Would Messi have scored every single on of Yakubu's lasts season? Probably not. He might have got some but not all of them does not mean that Yakubu is better than Messi. Yakubu will score some that Maynard won't and vice versa. Either one of them will tear the league apart in our team. But you asked for another argument apart from 11 in 20 and I gave you that. Whether Yakubu moves much or not, if he's got 2 defenders marking him he is freeing up space for other players to create his chances which is worth a lot.

Because he's not quick enough over 5 yards, he spends hardly any time outside the box let alone shoots from there, and he doesn't close down defenders. So no, he would not have scored any of those 3.

I don't know what your Messi point is, I'm arguing that Maynard's all round game is better than Yakubu's, as is Messi's obviously. Yakubu is a goalscorer of chances, not an all round striker, and not the greatest attacking midfielder on the planet. The fact that Yakubu scores simple goals is not praise - anyone can score simple tap ins, I want a player who causes problems for defenders in all sorts of ways and can score all types of goals. Yes i know Yakubu scored a couple of good goals but my point is there are certain types of goals that he won't score, that Maynard will, not vice versa.

My point is that Maynard has everything Yakubu offers and much more.

[topharry123]

Because he's not quick enough over 5 yards, he spends hardly any time outside the box let alone shoots from there, and he doesn't close down defenders. So no, he would not have scored any of those 3.

I don't know what your Messi point is, I'm arguing that Maynard's all round game is better than Yakubu's, as is Messi's obviously. Yakubu is a goalscorer of chances, not an all round striker, and not the greatest attacking midfielder on the planet. The fact that Yakubu scores simple goals is not praise - anyone can score simple tap ins, I want a player who causes problems for defenders in all sorts of ways and can score all types of goals. Yes i know Yakubu scored a couple of good goals but my point is there are certain types of goals that he won't score, that Maynard will, not vice versa.

My point is that Maynard has everything Yakubu offers and much more.

So Maynards first goal against Leicester could not have been scored by Yakubu? Remind me how he scored that goal again?

[Kitchandro]

Were you even at the same match I was? Bristol barely even came close to our goal! The first was a free kick and the second was a huge cock up from St Ledger. Apart from that they were poor going forward and gave Schmeichel little to do.

Yakubu wouldn't have scored the second but there's no fair reason for you to say he definitely couldn't have scored that free-kick. I don't know about Maynard's 3rd goal, but thats beside the point. There will be goals Maynard has scored that Yakubu won't but equally Yakubu will score goals Maynard won't. There is no way you can deny that and what's more important is that it's not a valid argument. The two play in much contrasting ways, would be used differently were they our players and obviously will score different goals because of this.

I'd prefer Maynard because long term it's a much better acquisition even at the ridiculously inflated price we look set to bid, but I would quite happily welcome Yakubu back. He would be far from a disappointment and you simply cannot argue against his strike rate. The most flawed thing about anti Yakubu arguments is that the whole reason he scores the goals he does is because he doesn't run around a lot, his movement is minimal, more central and it's what gets him into the scoring positions. If he ran around charging everyone down and tracking back more he simply wouldn't score the goals he does.

Disagree, that's my point.

As I said in my previous comment, Maynard's all round striking prowess is far better than Yakubu's.

As for the first part of your reply I'm not quite sure what you mean. I'm not suggesting Bristol dominated us but when they had the ball Maynard was always moving to make himself available and was easier to find. He didn't recieve the ball all that much in the second half but that was more to do with Bristol's poor passes up to him.

And I don't know why you are confusing movement and running 5 yards to get to the ball before the defender with running around like a headless chicken and tracking back. They are 2 completely different things.

[topharry123]

Because he's not quick enough over 5 yards, he spends hardly any time outside the box let alone shoots from there, and he doesn't close down defenders. So no, he would not have scored any of those 3.

I don't know what your Messi point is, I'm arguing that Maynard's all round game is better than Yakubu's, as is Messi's obviously. Yakubu is a goalscorer of chances, not an all round striker, and not the greatest attacking midfielder on the planet. The fact that Yakubu scores simple goals is not praise - anyone can score simple tap ins, I want a player who causes problems for defenders in all sorts of ways and can score all types of goals. Yes i know Yakubu scored a couple of good goals but my point is there are certain types of goals that he won't score, that Maynard will, not vice versa.

My point is that Maynard has everything Yakubu offers and much more.

As I stated in my last post i'm not arguing he doesn't. I'm saying that IF WE DO NOT GET MAYNARD Yakubu won't be a disappointment for 95% of Leicester fans.

[m00nie]

Because he's not quick enough over 5 yards, he spends hardly any time outside the box let alone shoots from there, and he doesn't close down defenders. So no, he would not have scored any of those 3.

I don't know what your Messi point is, I'm arguing that Maynard's all round game is better than Yakubu's, as is Messi's obviously. Yakubu is a goalscorer of chances, not an all round striker, and not the greatest attacking midfielder on the planet. The fact that Yakubu scores simple goals is not praise - anyone can score simple tap ins, I want a player who causes problems for defenders in all sorts of ways and can score all types of goals. Yes i know Yakubu scored a couple of good goals but my point is there are certain types of goals that he won't score, that Maynard will, not vice versa.

My point is that Maynard has everything Yakubu offers and much more.

why dont most strikers pull in a 1 in 2 then ??

[Kitchandro]

So Maynards first goal against Leicester could not have been scored by Yakubu? Remind me how he scored that goal again?

He blasted it into the bottom corner from a free kick.

Yakubu he doesn't take free kicks and ris rarely outside the box.

So no Yakubu would not have scored that goal, though it's more his other 2 goals that illustrate my point

[Kitchandro]

why dont most strikers pull in a 1 in 2 then ??

They would with the supply Yakubu got last season.

He could have had 20 in 20 if he wasn't so lazy and didn't miss some of the sitters he did (and it doesn't wash to say well he scored 1 in 2 you are too greedy to expect 1 in 1, he simply should have scored quite a few chances he missed).

[topharry123]

He blasted it into the bottom corner from a free kick.

Yakubu he doesn't take free kicks and ris rarely outside the box.

So no Yakubu would not have scored that goal, though it's more his other 2 goals that illustrate my point

So Yakubu can't strike a ball from outside the box then when players are 10 yards away? And if a defender had a shocker and gifted him the ball with 15 yards of space to run into Yakubu would have blown it? I didn't realize Yakubu was so bad, and that strikers suddenly not only have to score 1 in 2 but also be the best player on the pitch.

[Kitchandro]

As I stated in my last post i'm not arguing he doesn't. I'm saying that IF WE DO NOT GET MAYNARD Yakubu won't be a disappointment for 95% of Leicester fans.

OK then.

It's only a disappointment for me in the context, if I was expecting that we would sign Anichebe I'd be very happy with the Yak. But I think with the money we have it's a shame if we don't get Maynard and settle for Yakubu who, IMO, would be a step down.

I'm aware I'm in a minority but I just feel that way

[Kitchandro]

So Yakubu can't strike a ball from outside the box then when players are 10 yards away? And if a defender had a shocker and gifted him the ball with 15 yards of space to run into Yakubu would have blown it? I didn't realize Yakubu was so bad, and that strikers suddenly not only have to score 1 in 2 but also be the best player on the pitch.

if he doesn't shoot from out the box, he doesn't shoot from out the box. It's irrelevant whether he can

But like I said, it's his other 2 goals this season which are more telling.

Maynard was not gifted the ball by St Ledger, he closed him down and robbed it off him. Yakubu doesn't close down.

[topharry123]

OK then.

It's only a disappointment for me in the context, if I was expecting that we would sign Anichebe I'd be very happy with the Yak. But I think with the money we have it's a shame if we don't get Maynard and settle for Yakubu who, IMO, would be a step down.

I'm aware I'm in a minority but I just feel that way

Ok fair point. Obviously i'm on the other foot and would be happy with him! Come Wednesday we'll probably have them both anyway

[m00nie]

They would with the supply Yakubu got last season.

He could have had 20 in 20 if he wasn't so lazy and didn't miss some of the sitters he did (and it doesn't wash to say well he scored 1 in 2 you are too greedy to expect 1 in 1, he simply should have scored quite a few chances he missed).

naa sorry aint having none of it..

if all it took was supply there would be many more strikers with good scoring ratios..

its not like were the only team to ever create the chances..

on your theory we should just buy 2 attacking full backs and have a donkey up front.. he stil be able to tap them in..

svens wasted his time and money...

[Kitchandro]

naa sorry aint having none of it..

if all it took was supply there would be many more strikers with good scoring ratios..

its not like were the only team to ever create the chances..

on your theory we should just buy 2 attacking full backs and have a donkey up front.. he stil be able to tap them in..

svens wasted his time and money...

We did have a donkey up front half the time last season, that's how inconsistent he was.

I'd rather have 2 attacking full backs and a quality striker like Maynard up front tbh

[Jaspa]

' Bitch. Moan. No!

Moan. Bitch. **** off

Yeah but . . . **** you!

Maybe . . . But **** you too! '

. . .

And it goes on and on and on

Utter tripe from the FoxesTalk massive . . .

Again!

[Father Ted]

if he doesn't shoot from out the box, he doesn't shoot from out the box. It's irrelevant whether he can

But like I said, it's his other 2 goals this season which are more telling.

Maynard was not gifted the ball by St Ledger, he closed him down and robbed it off him. Yakubu doesn't close down.

So basically you have to run around like a headless chicken and chase people to be good?

Bet you loved Hume and Tiatto!

[Fox1651]

To save trawling numerous pages is there any "gossip" or "newspaper speculation" etc etc on City signing Maynard at all? I hope we do personally

just trawled through the pages - utter nonsense again then, no news etc etc etc

[Kitchandro]

So basically you have to run around like a headless chicken and chase people to be good?

Bet you loved Hume and Tiatto!

No.

I'm simply pointing out that closing somebody down led to a goal for Maynard.

Argue against that please? No? Can you twist my words again at least? Go on, you knw you want to...

It's the movement that's more important, not closing defenders down is one thing, letting yourself be marked out of the game because you won't move is another. I'm just weighing up what Maynard offers against what Yakubu offers, closing down is just another thing, not the main thing.

' Bitch. Moan. No!

Moan. Bitch. **** off

Yeah but . . . **** you!

Maybe . . . But **** you too! '

. . .

And it goes on and on and on

Utter tripe from the FoxesTalk massive . . .

Again!

Calm down, it's called debating

[Libertine Dream]

To be fair it would be of alot more use signing Maynard over Yakubu. However I think the Yak would edge it on goals which is the strikers job. However Id have Myanrd all day long over any striker in the NPC and half the premier league. Like him as a player and will be devastated if he doesnt sign. Otib claim his mum says hes staying, personally I just hope we put in a massive unrefusable offer or the club would give alittle more info instead of millions of conflicting twitter reports! I think BC would regret not selling this time next year!

[Fox1651]

To be fair it would be of alot more use signing Maynard over Yakubu. However I think the Yak would edge it on goals which is the strikers job. However Id have Myanrd all day long over any striker in the NPC and half the premier league. Like him as a player and will be devastated if he doesnt sign. Otib claim his mum says hes staying, personally I just hope we put in a massive unrefusable offer or the club would give alittle more info instead of millions of conflicting twitter reports! I think BC would regret not selling this time next year!

cant help agreeing with you buddy, lets hope it happens

[topharry123]

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[stivesfox]

If Maynard was interested he would have slapped in a transfer request weeks ago! If a player wants to move they will kick up a stink Maynard has made no public interest to leave Bristol City, with a year left on his contract on the other side if the coin is content to let his Bristol deal run out, personally we should have walked away from this deal weeks ago, the player would have been aware of our advances any player wanting a move to further their career would have told his current club his intentions to leave

[Matt]

Oh...so nothing new has emerged or happen since I last looked despite there being 5 new pages.