Jaspa Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Why do 'Nicky Maynard' threads draw so much attention even with no latest events? Its one of lifes great questions Even Bristol have a 50page count thread going!
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Charlie Austin, not good enough? What do you base this on? Scored two goals at the weekend and was injured from when they signed him last season. Give the lad a break, I bet your the kind of person who would want Svens head should we sign someone from the lower divisions? So he's good enough because he's scored 2 at the weekend? He's not proven long term at this level, I've never seen anything to suggest he's a class above most in this division, or even Nugent for that matter. It's not just about bringing any decent striker in, I see very few strikers who are the right kind and the right quality that we need. If we're going to bring Charlie Austin in we may as well just not get a striker at all and bring in something that we really need - a winger. Of course Sven isn't going to do that so I'm pinning my hopes on him buying a striker who might make a difference.
Lesta Legend Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Charlie Austin, not good enough? What do you base this on? Scored two goals at the weekend and was injured from when they signed him last season. Give the lad a break, I bet your the kind of person who would want Svens head should we sign someone from the lower divisions? Yes pal, not a bad player but average... NO better than what we have aka waghorn...
Ashley Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 So he's good enough because he's scored 2 at the weekend? He's not proven long term at this level, I've never seen anything to suggest he's a class above most in this division, or even Nugent for that matter. It's not just about bringing any decent striker in, I see very few strikers who are the right kind and the right quality that we need. If we're going to bring Charlie Austin in we may as well just not get a striker at all and bring in something that we really need - a winger. Of course Sven isn't going to do that so I'm pinning my hopes on him buying a striker who might make a difference. He'll be a good striker in this league, just watch.
dannythefox Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Maynard is over rated, and over priced. He is worth no more than £3 million, plus add ons. Don't waste your money Sven. Bullshit!
dannythefox Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Some suggestions: Garry Hooper, Jay Rodriquez, Bellamy on loan, Charlie Austin You must be on crack!
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 He'll be a good striker in this league, just watch. Good maybe, exceptional unlikely, proven definitely not. But he's not the striker we need right now.
topharry123 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Now if you can think of an argument that isn't just 'he scored 11 in 20' then I'd like to hear it. What other arguments are needed? We need a striker that scores goals, as that is a strikers job. Yakubu scored 11 in 20 and is a PROVEN premier league quality striker. Any other manager apart from Moyes would have him starting at Everton, who knows what his problem with the Yak is! I'm sick of people saying that Yakubu isn't good enough when he came here last season and scored at a ratio that even the finest players in the world would be more than proud of. We need a 20 goal a season striker, but not Yakubu that makes no sense at all! Furthermore, he may be lazy but he does add a dimension that we need to the game. When players like Yakubu are played, they are often marked a lot more heavily than say someone like Maynard or Long, so create more space for other players who can have more time on the ball to give him a chance to score. He brings more than goals, and whether Maynard is better or not who cares but Yakubu would be a FANTASTIC addition to any championship squad, and most premier league squads.
Sniffer-Clarke Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Best striker in the league Could be when hes not injured,imo if the figures are true at £7.5m is a huge risk for him,and his he capable of getting between 15-20 goals a season because a lot of prem clubs are looking for someone like that.
psychonaut Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 So he's good enough because he's scored 2 at the weekend? He's not proven long term at this level, I've never seen anything to suggest he's a class above most in this division, or even Nugent for that matter. It's not just about bringing any decent striker in, I see very few strikers who are the right kind and the right quality that we need. If we're going to bring Charlie Austin in we may as well just not get a striker at all and bring in something that we really need - a winger. Of course Sven isn't going to do that so I'm pinning my hopes on him buying a striker who might make a difference. Yep a damn shame... and I really dont understand it. Playing centre forwards and central midfielders on the wing. Danns even said he cant play properly there. It's worrying when even basic football management and tactics are not being reached. So frustrating to see Schlupp on the wing on sat, he hadnt got a clue what he should be doing. Nugent and Maynard would be the most lethal strike partnership in the division.
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 What other arguments are needed? We need a striker that scores goals, as that is a strikers job. Yakubu scored 11 in 20 and is a PROVEN premier league quality striker. Any other manager apart from Moyes would have him starting at Everton, who knows what his problem with the Yak is! I'm sick of people saying that Yakubu isn't good enough when he came here last season and scored at a ratio that even the finest players in the world would be more than proud of. We need a 20 goal a season striker, but not Yakubu that makes no sense at all! I've already answered that if you read above. We don't need a striker who just puts the ball in the net because we won't create enough chances for one who just stands around and offers no movement at all. Nugent may not have the quality that Yakubu has but his willingness to move for the ball and determination to get to it before defenders (not things Yakubu does) makes a differnce to a team seriously lacking in creativity. Replace him with Yakubu and we'd be no better off because it is those things thet he offers that we need first and formeost. How can he put chances away when they aren't created for him? As I said, your argument is way too simplistic. I'd suggest Moyes isn't playing Yakubu for the same reasons I have mentioned, as well as the fact he has Beckford and Saha who are better and younger. Yakubu is past it at Premiership level and still has issues in his play that mean he's not as good as Maynard at this level.
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 And another thing, lets not make out Yakubu was a model of consistency last season, yes he was brilliant at times but was immensely frustrating just as often, to the detriment of the rest of the team.
topharry123 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 I've already answered that if you read above. We don't need a striker who just puts the ball in the net because we won't create enough chances for one who just stands around and offers no movement at all. Nugent may not have the quality that Yakubu has but his willingness to move for the ball and determination to get to it before defenders (not things Yakubu does) makes a differnce to a team seriously lacking in creativity. Replace him with Yakubu and we'd be no better off because it is those things thet he offers that we need first and formeost. As I said, your argument is way too simplistic. I'd suggest Moyes isn't playing Yakubu for the same reasons I have mentioned, as well as the fact he has Beckford and Saha who are better and younger. Yakubu is past it at Premiership level and still has issues in his play that mean he's not as good as Maynard at this level. Well if we're seriously lacking in creativity a 6m striker won't change that either. And what are you basing it on that Yakubu isn't as good as Maynard at this level? Yakubu proved he is a great goal scorer at this level last year and while Maynard has scored goals and shown he can do, he has played 17 games in the league in 2 years. From their records, they are both extremely potent at this level. I doubt that Maynard will come in and we'll instantly change much in the same way as if Yakubu came in. Once the team starts picking it up and playing the football we're capable of, whoever we have as a striker will get plenty more chances and all i'm saying is that Yakubu will put them away, just like Maynard will do. I'd rather see Yakubu personally and that's my argument; with the team we have and the service our strikers will be getting when they click Yakubu would bag a decent amount of goals. We're probably not going to agree at all I just hope we get both of them.
MattyFromLE Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 I'd take Yakubu over Maynard any day of the week. Proven goalscorer as we saw last season! A goal every other game?! Get him in Sven.
m00nie Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 I've already answered that if you read above. We don't need a striker who just puts the ball in the net because we won't create enough chances for one who just stands around and offers no movement at all. Nugent may not have the quality that Yakubu has but his willingness to move for the ball and determination to get to it before defenders (not things Yakubu does) makes a differnce to a team seriously lacking in creativity. Replace him with Yakubu and we'd be no better off because it is those things thet he offers that we need first and formeost. How can he put chances away when they aren't created for him? As I said, your argument is way too simplistic. I'd suggest Moyes isn't playing Yakubu for the same reasons I have mentioned, as well as the fact he has Beckford and Saha who are better and younger. Yakubu is past it at Premiership level and still has issues in his play that mean he's not as good as Maynard at this level. how do you think yakubu scores the goals? he dont just stand there and tap them all in. he gets in the right place. just because he may not run around like a headless chicken the guy still moves and will still get the chances. he can bring others into the game also which will help create more chances... you dont get the goal ratio he did by doing nothing...
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Well if we're seriously lacking in creativity a 6m striker won't change that either. And what are you basing it on that Yakubu isn't as good as Maynard at this level? Yakubu proved he is a great goal scorer at this level last year and while Maynard has scored goals and shown he can do, he has played 17 games in the league in 2 years. From their records, they are both extremely potent at this level. I doubt that Maynard will come in and we'll instantly change much in the same way as if Yakubu came in. Once the team starts picking it up and playing the football we're capable of, whoever we have as a striker will get plenty more chances and all i'm saying is that Yakubu will put them away, just like Maynard will do. I'd rather see Yakubu personally and that's my argument; with the team we have and the service our strikers will be getting when they click Yakubu would bag a decent amount of goals. We're probably not going to agree at all I just hope we get both of them. Maynard will not completely solve our problems but he will make more of a difference than Yakubu will. We are never going to play expansive attacking football as we don't have the players for it, but we can somewhat compensate with a certain type of striker. Think back to the Bristol home game - movement off the ball is very simple but makes a huge difference. It makes it easier to recieve the ball and creates space for others. This is essential to attacking play and can help make up for a lack of midfielders who can beat a man. We really need pace and movement more than anything, Maynard gives us this and Yakubu doesn't, that is the short version of my point. I would be happy if we got Maynard, or Yakubu and Maynard, but Yakubu on his own would be a disappointment.
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 how do you think yakubu scores the goals? he dont just stand there and tap them all in. he gets in the right place. just because he may not run around like a headless chicken the guy still moves and will still get the chances. he can bring others into the game also which will help create more chances... you dont get the goal ratio he did by doing nothing... Yakubu scored goals last season because we created them for him. But it's not good enough just to stand in the right place when we won't create chances on a plate for him. Can't you see that their is a big difference between last season's team and this season's team? Last season we had attacking full backs which made a huge difference, Naughton was pretty much a winger a lot of the time, as were PVA and Cuningham. Without this we lack creativity and will not create as many chances as last season. Yakubu could afford to be lazy and just stand in the right place at times last season because we would create gilt-edged chances for him. However, in other games we weren't so creative (mainly away) and struggled to create chances. We struggled even more so because Yakubu's laziness did nothing to help. You say 'he doesn't just stand there and tap them all in' - but he does mostly just stand there and tap them in. He also scored a couple of spectacular ones, he missed some of the tap ins, and very rarely he took part in the overall build up. He can bring others into the game - but he doesn't.
bluearmyfox23 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 I think wat people are missing is tht we are saying we are not creating enough chances ! Why do u reckon tht is ? I'll tell u why it is beacuse the yak's not here at times 2 centre halves marked him last year which left gaps for king , gally and others to score !!! And also I would love maynard and yak <3
topharry123 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Maynard will not completely solve our problems but he will make more of a difference than Yakubu will. We are never going to play expansive attacking football as we don't have the players for it, but we can somewhat compensate with a certain type of striker. Think back to the Bristol home game - movement off the ball is very simple but makes a huge difference. It makes it easier to recieve the ball and creates space for others. This is essential to attacking play and can help make up for a lack of midfielders who can beat a man. We really need pace and movement more than anything, Maynard gives us this and Yakubu doesn't, that is the short version of my point. I would be happy if we got Maynard, or Yakubu and Maynard, but Yakubu on his own would be a disappointment. i;m out of arguments. What i'm reading from you is Yakubu scores goals and does nothing else, Maynard will score and also add to the game. Don't agree as Yakubu wasn't handed all the goals he scored for us, he made some by his positioning and movement and by being heavily marked. Either way, I think the majority of us would not be disappointed if Yakubu was the only one we signed, as he'll perform exactly as we expect him to.
topharry123 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 I think wat people are missing is tht we are saying we are not creating enough chances ! Why do u reckon tht is ? I'll tell u why it is beacuse the yak's not here at times 2 centre halves marked him last year which left gaps for king , gally and others to score !!! And also I would love maynard and yak <3 Exactly Yakubu just standing there doing nothing means there is more room for other players to build chances. He is always heavily marked and that's just as important as pulling defenders away by running around at top speed for 90 minutes.
bluearmyfox23 Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 i;m out of arguments. What i'm reading from you is Yakubu scores goals and does nothing else, Maynard will score and also add to the game. Don't agree as Yakubu wasn't handed all the goals he scored for us, he made some by his positioning and movement. Either way, I think the majority of us would not be disappointed if Yakubu was the only one we signed, as he'll perform exactly as we expect him to. This 100%
Kitchandro Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 Exactly Yakubu just standing there doing nothing means there is more room for other players to build chances. He is always heavily marked and that's just as important as pulling defenders away by running around at top speed for 90 minutes. So would Maynard not be heavily marked as well? He has a reputation as well you know. Difference is Yakubu is very easy to mark because he doesn't move. I lost count of how many times we needed an out ball or a killer pass and Yakubu was standing between/behind 2 defenders. Maynard was marked when he played us but he pulled away to recieve the ball, and caused us problems all night because of it. And again, would Yakubu have scored any of Maynard's 3 goals this season? I'd say definitely not.
dannythefox Posted 28 August 2011 Posted 28 August 2011 So would Maynard not be heavily marked as well? He has a reputation as well you know. Difference is Yakubu is very easy to mark because he doesn't move. I lost count of how many times we needed an out ball or a killer pass and Yakubu was standing between/behind 2 defenders. Maynard was marked when he played us but he pulled away to recieve the ball, and caused us problems all night because of it. And again, would Yakubu have scored any of Maynard's 3 goals this season? I'd say definitely not. Good post I've not seen anyone's movement off the so good in the last 2 seasons we couldn't keep tabs on him.
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