Narborough_fox Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 People say one bad game but I'm not being funny but didn't he get "raped" by Le Fondre against Rotherham? I see what Sven was doing telling him because he's captain if he dosn't put a shift in he will be dropped. It won't be the last time a player is dropped. We're 3 games into the season it's not going to cost us promotion.
Fox92 Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Dropping the club captain after one poor performance sends out all the wrong messages to the player, the other players and the fans... Sven should have stuck by mills tonight and motivated him to get straight back onto the pitch, roll his socks up and deliver a captains performance. Would allardyce have dropped Nolan after one bad game? This suggests to me that Sven and mills do not trust each other which, I would suggest, could have a negative effect on the dressing room. Rumour has it that St ledger has been kicking up a stink this week and it appears that he has been rewarded by a place in the first team.. IMO this is shocking management. The club captain needs to feel he is trusted by his manager and can then begin to lead the side on the pitch Opinions please cos im bewildered? Opinions? I agree with you. I was very shocked to see Mills dropped. I did call for St Leadger to be given a chance, but I say no more at this moment in time. If I was manager, the captain would not have been dropped after one game. Just one thing, I've highlighted that bit about St Ledger. Can anyone confirm/expand on this because its the first I've heard of this.
crazylegs1984 Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Tge way he's treating the players is ridiculous, I feel they're playing with fear of being dropped and uncertainty which is causing them to perform poorly. Fear can be a good thing for footballers in terms of competition for places, but in this instance I think it's having a negative impact on the players. So Mills comes back in to the squad v Forest, what if he makes an error? Is St. Ledger back in the game after. Its a total shambles! Sven needs to trust the players and give them faith in their own ability. I'm not hating on Sven, I still think we will do well this year! WHAT SO your saying mills should have a place in the team regardless STFU!!!! every player should have to fight for his place and if you play shit you get dropped simples do you think mills isnt gonna try that little bit harder now he knows he isnt untouchable ????? i suppose we will find that out saturday Competion is healthy and will be what pushes this team to the promise land roll on saturday !! lets cut down some trees :scarf:
surrifox Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 of course we are not party to the reasons that manager and coach select / drop players but there is in my mind a sense that the current management team do pay regard to what the supporters demand rather more than they should . This was the pattern last year towards the end of the season when the wheels started coming off and they were constantly changing the side as team members' stars faded and others became flavour of the month.(at least among the more vocal (and possibly less thoughtful) supporters). Signing a player for such a large chunk of change and then dropping them summarily (assuming this is for reasons of form and not injury) is a truly terrible indictment of the manager's recruitment policy and judgement and a serious mistake. Short termism in football NEVER works- if you don't invest in time as well as money you will never succeed and that is an absolute given. When Mills was signed Sven effectively declared that our defence was fixed now to sort out the goalscoring- well at what point do you decide that he has purged his contempt and recall him to the side??.......
Wymsey Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 I was thinking of putting a topic up about what I'm going to say but it's best in here. A very good insider at the club told my family that Mills had a tantrum after the Reading game, 'throwing his toys out the pram' and that he had to be restrained by a few within the dressing room. This is part of the reason why he has been dropped. So, unhappiness already within the squad...? Please don't put me into the category of 'wumming' as I'm only putting in what I've been told.
sven's boys 2012 Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 St .Ledger is a good player, but Sven, Matt Mills is our captain and is such a better player SORT IT OUT SVEN!!!!
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 I was thinking of putting a topic up about what I'm going to say but it's best in here. A very good insider at the club told my family that Mills had a tantrum after the Reading game, 'throwing his toys out the pram' and that he had to be restrained by a few within the dressing room. This is part of the reason why he has been dropped. So, unhappiness already within the squad...? Please don't put me into the category of 'wumming' as I'm only putting in what I've been told. And what is this tantrum supposed to have been about?
Corky Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Mills didn't play well enough against Reading, the transfer fee or captaincy shouldn't allow players to be repreived if they perform poorly. Bamba, so far, has looked the most assured of the defenders.
Guest MattP Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Mills didn't play well enough against Reading, the transfer fee or captaincy shouldn't allow players to be repreived if they perform poorly. Bamba, so far, has looked the most assured of the defenders. Can't surely condone dropping players after one game though? What does that do to confidence or team continuity? If Nugent has a bad game sat does Howard come in?
lcfcsnow Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 He hasn't learnt from last season pissing about with the defence, except he was dropping players like Ben Mee and Vitor when they were playing well then due to signing too many loanees. And I'd have Ben Mee over Konchesky any day. Vitor over St.Ledger Naughton over Peltier Bruma over Mills the way he's playing. Better all round footballers yet they would have been cheaper as well, whys that? We've been had, good and proper. Twice in our history we've had millions to spend, I'm praying we haven't let another manager waste it like the last one did.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Can't surely condone dropping players after one game though? What does that do to confidence or team continuity? If Nugent has a bad game sat does Howard come in? Arghhhh Why is everyone saying ONE game?! It's not ONE game, it's THREE games in which he has shown nothing (inc. a very poor o.g at Rotherham. We spent money on St Ledger, he deserved a chance last night. The message has gone out: you're not playing to the required standard, you don't keep your place. Simple. They knew this was the case when they signed in the summer. Now it's up to him to WIN his place back, he can't get it just because he's worn the armband or cost £5million.
Guest MattP Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Arghhhh Why is everyone saying ONE game?! It's not ONE game, it's THREE games in which he has shown nothing (inc. a very poor o.g at Rotherham. We spent money on St Ledger, he deserved a chance last night. The message has gone out: you're not playing to the required standard, you don't keep your place. Simple. They knew this was the case when they signed in the summer. Now it's up to him to WIN his place back, he can't get it just because he's worn the armband or cost £5million. I thought he played well at Coventry (I didnt go to Rotherham so cant comment)
Fox92 Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 I thought he played well at Coventry (I didnt go to Rotherham so cant comment) He didn't look that good either against Rotherham. He gave balls away like always and maybe should have cleared the cross which did eventually go in as an own goal.
gazfox9 Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 How can people say Mills had a bad game against Cov??? We won one nil and kept a clean sheet ffs! Cov never once looked like scoring. Granted, I didn't see him at Rotherham, and he was poor against Reading. I said before the game I thought it was a bad call to drop him, I just hope he's back in against Forest saturday.
Gazza M Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Went down and witnessed a shocking game of football last night! Apparantly was better than the Reading game, so I'm glad I didn't go that one! Was a mistake to drop Matt Mills so early in to his Leicester career, especially after just making him the teams new captain. It will do nothing for his confidence. The team is trying to settle down and to change the captain after 2 games doesn't help. I know he was poor against Reading, but I would have expected some more patience before making a change. I don't think Mills has much competition to be honest. St Ledger was atrotious last night and Bamba is a liability! More like Sol Bambi on ice! I think the biggest problem is the system we are playing and from what I saw last night, the players don't really know what their role is within it. Please go back to a more tradditional 4-4-2. I know it is old school, but it does work!
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 How can people say Mills had a bad game against Cov??? We won one nil and kept a clean sheet ffs! Cov never once looked like scoring. Granted, I didn't see him at Rotherham, and he was poor against Reading. I said before the game I thought it was a bad call to drop him, I just hope he's back in against Forest saturday. I'm personally not saying he had a bad game against Cov, but I think he showed nothing of great note. If you have an average game followed by a poor game and then a terrible game, with the squad we've now got, then you can expect to be dropped. I've seen nothing to justify a price tag of any more than a million so far. He probably will be back in against Forest and after St Ledger's mistake I would have no qualms with that. It's the way our squad will work this season. On your game or on the bench. If St Ledger is dropped is everyone going to say that's bad management too because Sven will not be showing any faith in him after his mistake?
dannythefox Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 They must have been saving Mills for the forest game surely not because he had one bad game. You need to be playing the same defence every week in this league unless players are injured. St Ledger is worse than Jack Hobbs so what we've gained for wasting money on him is beyond me. He got caught with the ball 3-4 time last night pissing about back passing if your going to to that pass as soon as you can don't wait for a player to close you down that's basic football for god sake.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 It matters not how St. Ledger played last night.... What does matter is giving a player the captaincy one week and dropping said player the next! Managerially makes no sense whatsoever, unless mills had a slight knock? I don't know whether this may have been the case but I don't think it was. Anyway just my opinion.. As a manager myself I would not drop my deputy after one bad day at work... The message this would send out to the rest of my team would be the wrong one.. Pure and simple
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 It matters not how St. Ledger played last night.... What does matter is giving a player the captaincy one week and dropping said player the next! Managerially makes no sense whatsoever, unless mills had a slight knock? I don't know whether this may have been the case but I don't think it was. Anyway just my opinion.. As a manager myself I would not drop my deputy after one bad day at work... The message this would send out to the rest of my team would be the wrong one.. Pure and simple The managerial sense is in having the 11 players on the pitch that you think are going to perform best, regardless of who they are. Sven played the players, based on previous performances, that he felt would perform best. I personally don't feel that normal working environments are comparable to a football team either.
dannythefox Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Cant wait for Saturday when he makes another 5 changes and we still don't win
sphericalfox Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 It matters not how St. Ledger played last night.... What does matter is giving a player the captaincy one week and dropping said player the next! Managerially makes no sense whatsoever, unless mills had a slight knock? I don't know whether this may have been the case but I don't think it was. Anyway just my opinion.. As a manager myself I would not drop my deputy after one bad day at work... The message this would send out to the rest of my team would be the wrong one.. Pure and simple Yes, who would bang the cymbals together...
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 August 2011 Posted 18 August 2011 Yes, who would bang the cymbals together... I did wonder when you'd have your two penneth spherical
sphericalfox Posted 19 August 2011 Posted 19 August 2011 I find it amazing that people criticised Sven last season for not dropping players last season when they failed to turn up at games, I'd love to sift through these posts and find the culprits with double standards.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 August 2011 Posted 19 August 2011 I find it amazing that people criticised Sven last season for not dropping players last season when they failed to turn up at games, I'd love to sift through these posts and find the culprits with double standards. Mills failed to turn up for one game and he's the skipper.. You know what im saying so stop being so awkward..
sphericalfox Posted 20 August 2011 Posted 20 August 2011 Mills failed to turn up for one game and he's the skipper.. You know what im saying so stop being so awkward.. There's no awkwardness, just a lack of long-term memory from numerous posters on FT when it comes to what they only posted last season. Is everyone calling for SSL to be dropped for todays game? He's only had one bad game etc. Are you genuinely saying that because he's skipper he can't or shouldn't be dropped? I believe the same argument was applied erroneously to King last season, especially after he drifted in and out of games consecutively throughout the season. There's plenty of others who had individually bad games, but then Sven had 'his favourites', who he was called for for keeping within the team. Do you see where the double standards, or the simple 'Sven is useless' and not matter what decision he makes, if the result is not a win, then double standards are applied regardless of their prior posts?
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