Dan Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 I also forgot Howard, who won't play much but he's a different option. Seriously, a squad of 16 per game where you'll probably get 4 strikers playing absolute tops. Nugent; Good all-round forward. Vassell; Not bad, puts himself about but never a goalscorer. Beckford; Slow start but Yakubu had a bad patch, he'll bang in the goals eventually. Schlupp; Best young forward we've had since Heskey and could well go on to exceed him. Howard; Target man which absolutely no defender in this league relishes playing. There's no need to add a 30 year old on £40k a week to that unless you're getting rid. We need to make the most of players like Schlupp rather than buying players on the down-slope, I do like Johnson, but he's simply not needed.
Dan Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 We do and we don't, we lack wingers big time obviously but it seems like we've found a system that doesn't need wingers, I mean how many wingers did Norwich have last season? Our current system is very similar to theirs last year.
dannythefox Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 I think if we go for a striker it will be Maynard again bristol city must be stupid to keep him if someone puts a 3m bid in! It seems to me he's doing the same as Fryatt not playing well and not scoring because he's not happy. In Sven we trust.
Petchy Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 a) Not convinced about Beckford, talented as he obviously is. b) Good c) Not a striker d) Good e) Hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if he could be effective for more than 30--45 minutes at a time now. f) I'd doubt he'll play for us again. And doubt even more that he's good enough. g) not Alan Sheehan
Izzet is God Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 I also forgot Howard, who won't play much but he's a different option. Seriously, a squad of 16 per game where you'll probably get 4 strikers playing absolute tops. Nugent; Good all-round forward. Vassell; Not bad, puts himself about but never a goalscorer. Beckford; Slow start but Yakubu had a bad patch, he'll bang in the goals eventually. Schlupp; Best young forward we've had since Heskey and could well go on to exceed him. Howard; Target man which absolutely no defender in this league relishes playing. There's no need to add a 30 year old on £40k a week to that unless you're getting rid. We need to make the most of players like Schlupp rather than buying players on the down-slope, I do like Johnson, but he's simply not needed. Not only that but surely it'll cause a problem as Nugent, Beckford and Johnson will all want to start week in - week out if they are fit. I wouldn't want us to play 4-3-3 as for me since we've gone 4-4-2 the players seem to be a bit more attacking and comfortable
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 October 2011 Posted 9 October 2011 40k+ a week is too much for a 30 year old. Why? Explain... Xavi at Barcelona is 30 plus and on 140 k a week If the player warrants the wages that are being paid why does being 30 matter.? I think Johnson would be a superb signing for the foxes.. As long as he can stay fit.. This would be my concern, not his wages
Babylon Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 Forget Howard and Waghorn they are not long term options, Vassell as much as I admire him isn't a natural goal scorer, he will score a goal from time to time. That leaves in effect three options Beckford, Nugent and Schlupp. Well it doesn't leave us with three options does it, because Howard and Waghorn are still our players. And what does it matter if they are long term or not, the point is if our FOUR main strikers get injured, we have players who can fill the hole for a few games.Vassell has also been pretty good when played up top this year and actually has a decent scoring record when played as a main striker and not a winger. We are not Manchester United, we are not going to have 5 strikers all of premier league quality whilst playing in the championship. I'd love us to go out and buy shit loads of expensive players, if we can afford it. But we're in the championship and probably already paying out more than everyone except West Ham.
artursteppe Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 I would have thought some Premier League teams would be interested in him really. I think he would be decent for us, but £2million for a 30 year old; is it the way forward? Yeh, he probably can't bend over to do up his boot laces at that age, and he is nearly eight years younger than Ryan Giggs, also a very similar player like Teddy Sheringham who was still scoring gaols at the top level at the age of forty which is only ten years older than Johnson. £2 million pounds for someone who is currently the premiership top scorer with only nine goals - why the F*** would we want someone like that, obviously an old 'has been'.
Fox92 Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 Yeh, he probably can't bend over to do up his boot laces at that age, and he is nearly eight years younger than Ryan Giggs, also a very similar player like Teddy Sheringham who was still scoring gaols at the top level at the age of forty which is only ten years older than Johnson. £2 million pounds for someone who is currently the premiership top scorer with only nine goals - why the F*** would we want someone like that, obviously an old 'has been'. What? Andy Johnson may be a decent player, and current Premier League top goalscorer, but all I was saying is that I don't think £2million represents a good deal for a player who has had a fair amount of injuries, and has hardly been a prolific goalscorer - 13 in 71 for Fulham, 17 in 61 for Everton and 8 in 83 for Birmingham City. I don't see why you are posting stuff like that, because I didn't say anything about him not being able to "tie his boot laces". I wasn't critisizing older players at all.
Bert Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 Neither is Emile Heskey a centre back, I can remember you saying it would be a good idea to sign him for us and play him there because he played a half for Wigan in that position against Sheffield United the day Sheffield United got relegated. >_> Heskey started out as a centre back....
MPH Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 £2m an absolute bargain i actually think Maynard will go for about 2m in January. Brizzle will be panicking by then and will want to offload so they can use the funds elsewhere maynard would be worth it for 2m The fvcking Mirror. lol Do their brain-dead writers read this place for the bites? Bullshit. Making Fulham's team and not needed, what embarrassingly lazy journalism. No where did it say that he is not needed. Teams often want to cash in on players than let them leave for free. Beckford, Nugent, Vassell, Schlupp, Howard, Waghorn..... I think we might be covered. I'd be suprised if Waghorn plays for us again. I think he will be signed permanently by someone in January and Howard as passionate as he is i dont think could cope with a ten game stint and perform at the level we would need. I expect him to go in january too... My only concern about signing someone like Johnson would be about how it effects the development of Schlupp. Loving watching him get game time... But again... if we get a couple of injuries then how would he cope being a main striker.... I think its no coincidence that our performances have been better since Nugent got back playing...
Schlupp Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 Didn't he already have the chance but rejected a move to the championship?I can't see this happening really.
Babylon Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 I'd be suprised if Waghorn plays for us again. I think he will be signed permanently by someone in January and Howard as passionate as he is i dont think could cope with a ten game stint and perform at the level we would need. I expect him to go in january too... My only concern about signing someone like Johnson would be about how it effects the development of Schlupp. Loving watching him get game time... But again... if we get a couple of injuries then how would he cope being a main striker.... For either Howard or Waghorn to get a 10 game stint we would need to lose our three first choice strikers to injury. Do you really think that's likely? Whilst it's possible, is it really worth blowing two million and god knows how much on wages for a 30 year old? Especially when you could just play the loan market is such a problem came up. we might as well go about and buy another 11 players (one for each position) if people are worried about injuries so much.
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 For either Howard or Waghorn to get a 10 game stint we would need to lose our three first choice strikers to injury. Do you really think that's likely? Whilst it's possible, is it really worth blowing two million and god knows how much on wages for a 30 year old? Especially when you could just play the loan market is such a problem came up. we might as well go about and buy another 11 players (one for each position) if people are worried about injuries so much. Again I don't know why the players age is a major factor in the equation? Yes we could exploit the loan Market but would the correct player be available on loan? Wages.... We can afford 2 million quid... We can afford The aim is to get promoted either this season or next... Therefore Johnson would be 30/31 if and when this aim was achieved. IMO Andrew Johnson IF FIT is better than anything we have got up top at present If he's available I'd love to see him in a City shirt.
MPH Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 For either Howard or Waghorn to get a 10 game stint we would need to lose our three first choice strikers to injury. Do you really think that's likely? Whilst it's possible, is it really worth blowing two million and god knows how much on wages for a 30 year old? Especially when you could just play the loan market is such a problem came up. we might as well go about and buy another 11 players (one for each position) if people are worried about injuries so much. well it was Sven who said he wanted two quality players for every position, not me besides we would need to get waghorn back for him to play any games and I really don't see him playing again for us.... he wants out...
Babylon Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 Again I don't know why the players age is a major factor in the equation? Because you're pinning your hopes on getting promoted, what if we don't? You're left with an asset you won't be able to shift as nobody would want a 31/32 year old on 30k a week. Perhaps look at the bigger picture. Wages.... We can afford 2 million quid... We can afford Really? How do you know we aren't over budget already? How far do we keep stretching ourselves in search of the goal that is not certain? As I have said already if money was no object and we had Man Citys owners then f'it we could go out and buy a load more good players. But we don't have that kind of money, there needs to be calculated financial risk, not gung-ho spending. With that in mind what we have is in my opinion more than enough at this moment in time. Nugent and Beckford, with Vassell and Schlupp on the bench. With Howard spare (and Waghorn if he returns in Jan). We could go out and get another right back, centre back, left back, keeper, midfielder all of whom are better than what we have. Where does it stop?
Babylon Posted 10 October 2011 Posted 10 October 2011 well it was Sven who said he wanted two quality players for every position, not me And how do you know he doesn't think we have that?
Ashley Posted 11 October 2011 Posted 11 October 2011 Heskey started out as a centre back.... Really? My dad was a year or two above him in school, used to knock around with his older brother a lot. He was a winger at youth level? Still if Heskey was to come back, Upfront or dont bother to bring him back simple.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 October 2011 Posted 11 October 2011 Because you're pinning your hopes on getting promoted, what if we don't? You're left with an asset you won't be able to shift as nobody would want a 31/32 year old on 30k a week. Perhaps look at the bigger picture. Really? How do you know we aren't over budget already? How far do we keep stretching ourselves in search of the goal that is not certain? As I have said already if money was no object and we had Man Citys owners then f'it we could go out and buy a load more good players. But we don't have that kind of money, there needs to be calculated financial risk, not gung-ho spending. With that in mind what we have is in my opinion more than enough at this moment in time. Nugent and Beckford, with Vassell and Schlupp on the bench. With Howard spare (and Waghorn if he returns in Jan). We could go out and get another right back, centre back, left back, keeper, midfielder all of whom are better than what we have. Where does it stop? That's the gamble babs surely? Pay for a player like Johnson to maximise our promotion chances... Or don't, instead relying on Howard, and Wags? With the former he'll do a decent job, with the latter I doubt he'll want to return to Leicester. Speculate to accumulate? Stick or twist? I agree with you about 'where does it stop'.. All I'm saying is that Andrew Johnson, if available and if affordable would be a superb signing IMO. Did you see how he tore up QPR? Imagine that at Championship level If he can retain his fitness he would tear defences apart. Big Steve can't do that
Babylon Posted 11 October 2011 Posted 11 October 2011 That's the gamble babs surely? Pay for a player like Johnson to maximise our promotion chances... Or don't, instead relying on Howard, and Wags? With the former he'll do a decent job, with the latter I doubt he'll want to return to Leicester. Speculate to accumulate? Stick or twist? I agree with you about 'where does it stop'.. All I'm saying is that Andrew Johnson, if available and if affordable would be a superb signing IMO. Did you see how he tore up QPR? Imagine that at Championship level If he can retain his fitness he would tear defences apart. Big Steve can't do that I agree, good player and would like him. But as I have said I am trying to look a bit more at the bigger picture, and to me we already have speculated to accumulate. That's why we have a front line of Nugent, Beckford and Vassell. As I have said we aren't relying on Howard or Waghorn if he returned, they are just there as back up in case we have injuries to all of our front line, which whilst possible is highly unlikely.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 October 2011 Posted 11 October 2011 I agree, good player and would like him. But as I have said I am trying to look a bit more at the bigger picture, and to me we already have speculated to accumulate. That's why we have a front line of Nugent, Beckford and Vassell. As I have said we aren't relying on Howard or Waghorn if he returned, they are just there as back up in case we have injuries to all of our front line, which whilst possible is highly unlikely. Fair enough mate.. I'm with you on not going out to spend lots more money. Yes we need to make the current crop work.. Which I think is now happening
Dan Posted 11 October 2011 Posted 11 October 2011 No where did it say that he is not needed. Teams often want to cash in on players than let them leave for free. I'll say it a second time - I meant not needed by Leicester.
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