john terry

[Guest MattP]

Anton never used the words black ****. He never thought Terry was being racist towards him. So either Terry plucked those words from the air and somehow thought he heard the words "black ****" when they were never said. Or the wife porking idiot with no morals also says racist words when angry. I believe the latter for certain.

I thought it was claimed in court he did but it couldn't be proven hence why the meeting took place in the changing rooms after the game?

As for Terry, Cole, or either of the Ferdinand's, I wouldn't trust a single one of them with anything they have said or ever said. All as vile as each other.

[breadandcheese]

I thought it was claimed in court he did but it couldn't be proven hence why the meeting took place in the changing rooms after the game?

As for Terry, Cole, or either of the Ferdinand's, I wouldn't trust a single one of them with anything they have said or ever said. All as vile as each other.

Quotes from the judge's summing up at the criminal trial.

http://www.guardian....ttal-magistrate

"There is no doubt that John Terry uttered the words '****ing black c*nt' at Anton Ferdinand."

"When he did so he was angry. Mr Ferdinand says that he did not precipitate this comment by himself, accusing Mr Terry of calling him a black ****.

"Weighing all the evidence together, I think it is highly unlikely that Mr Ferdinand accused Mr Terry on the pitch of calling him a black ****."

"However, I accept that it is possible that Mr Terry believed at the time, and believes now, that such an accusation was made."

In that sense, the FA have no choice but to find Terry guilty. It is an offence to mention a player's colour on the football pitch, so just as Suarez was found guilty, so should Terry. Correct decision.

[bmt]

Suarez was guilty and Terry wasn't?

Wow, read what I'm quoting at least.

i heard it was because Suarez used racist language numerous times during the game and Terry just the once.

To me that shouldn't matter but cheers anyway.

[Captain...]

It makes no sense that terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez, there was no actual evidence that Suarez said what he is accused of, and by reading the report, it only seemed to focus on one incident. Whereas terry wks recorded saying the words.

[Haydos]

It makes no sense that terry got a lighter sentence than Suarez, there was no actual evidence that Suarez said what he is accused of, and by reading the report, it only seemed to focus on one incident. Whereas terry wks recorded saying the words.

Didn't Suarez admit to it?

[Mack]

That Kangaroo court has just single handedly funded the FA's Christmas knees up.

[Captain...]

Didn't Suarez admit to it?

Nope, he admitted to using the Spanish word for black, but that isn't racist.

[Haydos]

Nope, he admitted to using the Spanish word for black, but that isn't racist.

I don't particularly want to get into this discussion but just because it's not offensive it doesn't mean it's not racist. You can't go around insulting/intimidating/teasing someone by making reference to their skin colour. I guess it depends on your definition of racist but that's not cool in my book.

[Kitchandro]

Nope, he admitted to using the Spanish word for black, but that isn't racist.

Terry used the English word for black though. To me, if you're involved in a heated confrontation and make a reference to someone's skin colour, that's racist, it doesn't matter what specific words you use.

Proof or no proof, I think we all know that both Suarez and Terry are lowlife scuzzballs, and it's pretty obvious that whilst they may plead innocence with technicalities til the cows come home, they attempted to insult a player with specific reference to race.

[The Year Of The Fox]

I don't particularly want to get into this discussion but just because it's not offensive it doesn't mean it's not racist. You can't go around insulting/intimidating/teasing someone by making reference to their skin colour. I guess it depends on your definition of racist but that's not cool in my book.

If someones black, they're black, if someones white they're white. Saying it is not racist anymoreso than calling a woman a woman is sexist.

Possibly no need for other words surrounding that one, but then have you ever said '****in women'?

[foxfanazer]

What a mess the FA have made of this!

[foxesfan1989]

Anybody read what Joey Barton is saying? Going mad because he got 12 and Terry only got 4. Yet what Terry did was obviously far worse. Joey Barton is unbelievably talking so much sense. Sort yourselves out FA! The clowns that run that place have their priorities messed up, its like they can't use common sense or just plain human feeling or experience.

[Darkon84]

Is Anton Ferdinand black?

[foxfanazer]

Is Anton Ferdinand black?

The FA's investigation is still pending

[Haydos]

If someones black, they're black, if someones white they're white. Saying it is not racist anymoreso than calling a woman a woman is sexist.

Possibly no need for other words surrounding that one, but then have you ever said '****in women'?

Obviously mentioning someone's skin colour in a non-hostile way isn't a problem. But if you're using someones race/skin colour as a means of insulting them then it's racist in my book. Using the n-word isn't the only way you can be racist to black people believe it or not.

[AdamN]

Anybody read what Joey Barton is saying? Going mad because he got 12 and Terry only got 4. Yet what Terry did was obviously far worse. Joey Barton is unbelievably talking so much sense. Sort yourselves out FA! The clowns that run that place have their priorities messed up, its like they can't use common sense or just plain human feeling or experience.

Joey Barton's ban is the result of an accumulation of bans for three separate offences (albeit in the same match), factoring in his disciplinary record for the rest of the season. If we want to talk about 'bans that make sense' in this thread, then that is a perfect example of one.

Also, if there's any footballer on this Earth in less of a position to give lessons on morality, it's that vile scumbag.

[Captain...]

I don't particularly want to get into this discussion but just because it's not offensive it doesn't mean it's not racist. You can't go around insulting/intimidating/teasing someone by making reference to their skin colour. I guess it depends on your definition of racist but that's not cool in my book.

I was just responding to you saying he admitted it, he admitted he used the Spanish word for black in a non racist way, which was confirmed by language experts, that what Suarez admitted to saying would not be considered racist or offensive. What Evra accused him of saying was considered racist. It was basically Evra's word against Suarez's the fa sided with Evra based on inconsistencies in other parts of his testimony. It certainly wasn't clear cut.

Terry was recorded using the words black cvnt, there was a lot more evidence against Terry.

Evra accused Suarez of saying he kicked him because he is black, which I don't think is as bad as calling someone a black cvnt.

I don't know why Terry got a lighter punishment.

[Nick]

I find it really hard to call this one.

Did he say it with intent or did he say the words asking if Anton thought he had called him a black ******* the two are poles apart - without the full story this whole thing is a farce.

Has the FA convicted him of racism or using words that might be deemed racist if said in a given context?

You see, I'm not a John Terry fan in any way - I was abhorred at him being made Captain of England as he may well have been a dependable man of oak but also spent weekends swearing at referees and generally being a dirty player, never mind his personal pro-social modelling...... not the role model for young kids playing the game I was hoping for..... however that being said - I'd really like to know if he's been racist and if that's the case it should be a 12 game ban and a million quid fine. If he's used words that may be construed as racist in a different context without intent, then all this is just daft.

[AdamN]

I find it really hard to call this one.

Did he say it with intent or did he say the words asking if Anton thought he had called him a black ******* the two are poles apart - without the full story this whole thing is a farce.

Has the FA convicted him of racism or using words that might be deemed racist if said in a given context?

You see, I'm not a John Terry fan in any way - I was abhorred at him being made Captain of England as he may well have been a dependable man of oak but also spent weekends swearing at referees and generally being a dirty player, never mind his personal pro-social modelling...... not the role model for young kids playing the game I was hoping for..... however that being said - I'd really like to know if he's been racist and if that's the case it should be a 12 game ban and a million quid fine. If he's used words that may be construed as racist in a different context without intent, then all this is just daft.

Basically my feelings on the subject. And I think that neither Terry or Suarez have been helped by the fact that their reputations weren't exactly squeaky clean to begin with. That's not to say they aren't guilty, but most people had already made their minds up from the offset, regardless of what has transpired since.

[Darkon84]

The FA's investigation is still pending

You could probably see where I was going with this though.

Terry called him a black so & so. Ferdinand IS black, so he was stating a fact, which was used to precede an actual insult. The word 'black' wasnt the insult. Are people going to start getting banned for calling Crouch a 'Lanky c**t'? or Andy Reid a 'Fat bastard'?

When will the madness end? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Kitchandro]

Did he say it with intent or did he say the words asking if Anton thought he had called him a black ******* the two are poles apart - without the full story this whole thing is a farce.

Sorry but that defence is the most ridiculous fantasy I've ever heard.

[Kitchandro]

You could probably see where I was going with this though.

Terry called him a black so & so. Ferdinand IS black, so he was stating a fact, which was used to precede an actual insult. The word 'black' wasnt the insult. Are people going to start getting banned for calling Crouch a 'Lanky c**t'? or Andy Reid a 'Fat bastard'?

When will the madness end? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Can't work out if you're being serious.

You can argue being called lanky or fat is equally as hurtful as being singled out for your race (as being offended is all down to the individual). But when it comes to courts and FA hearings you can't compare racism with calling someone fat. Obviously it's more serious to be racist. Whether he should have just called him a 'white c*nt' and told him to go **** his mother is a different argument altogether.

I don't understand how you can't see the connection between the word 'black' and the word 'c*nt' in the insult. If he had just called him a 'c*nt', it wouldn't be an issue, it would just be bog standard disrespect. The fact that he preceded it with the word 'black' is the racism. That's the point. He mentioned the man's skin colour when trying to insult him.

Besides, Ferdinand isn't black, he's half-caste

[Darkon84]

Can't work out if you're being serious.

You can argue being called lanky or fat is equally as hurtful as being singled out for your race (as being offended is all down to the individual). But when it comes to courts and FA hearings you can't compare racism with calling someone fat. Obviously it's more serious to be racist. Whether he should have just called him a 'white c*nt' and told him to go **** his mother is a different argument altogether.

I don't understand how you can't see the connection between the word 'black' and the word 'c*nt' in the insult. If he had just called him a 'c*nt', it wouldn't be an issue, it would just be bog standard disrespect. The fact that he preceded it with the word 'black' is the racism. That's the point. He mentioned the man's skin colour when trying to insult him.

Besides, Ferdinand isn't black, he's half-caste

Case was surely a non starter then?

All Im doing is looking at this from a different point of view, not that I necessarily think this way, but just saying... Instead of looking at the word black as a way to be racist, look at is as a physical trait he is unable to change. ie. Peter Crouch seriously tall. That is a physical trait that he is unable to change. Why should it be alright for someone to use that to precede and insult?

I mean, he didnt start calling him a spear chucker or anything like that for gods sake.

[Tielemans63]

Is Anton Ferdinand black?

Yep. Apparently he's a c**t as well.

[James.]

One of the most annoying arguments ever is that he was "just stating a fact".