AyewJoking Posted 13 July 2012 Posted 13 July 2012 So the FA stripped him of the captaincy and as a result got rid of Postman Pat. Then Told Hodgson to pick him instead of Rio. Terry is found not guilty. Are the FA more clever than we give them credit for???
Captain... Posted 13 July 2012 Posted 13 July 2012 It was only a matter of time... The court have ruled that there's not enough evidence to suggest that Terry used racist language in a derogatory manner, whereas there was plenty to suggest that Suarez did, repeatedly. Not to mention the fact that Terry has given clear, consistent evidence throughout the trial, as opposed to Suarez whose testimony was inconsistent and unreliable compared to that of Evra's. It's not difficult to see why the two cases had different outcomes. There is a lot to suggest that Suarez was very harshly done by by the FA, what he said was questionably racist at most, but all of this has been debated, I think the biggest issue was that the possible punishment by the criminal courts was nothing compared to Surez's punishment. I do think that there needs to be something done about the non-racist abuse thrown about on a football pitch, in both cases Evra and Ferdinand were being just as offensive. Anyway it took a stupidly long time for this decision to be reached, and all I can see this leading to is a new way of insulting players on the pitch. I'm not calling you a ****ing useless idiot, I'm definitely not calling you a massive cvnt,
ADK Posted 13 July 2012 Posted 13 July 2012 It was only a matter of time... The court have ruled that there's not enough evidence to suggest that Terry used racist language in a derogatory manner, whereas there was plenty to suggest that Suarez did, repeatedly. Not to mention the fact that Terry has given clear, consistent evidence throughout the trial, as opposed to Suarez whose testimony was inconsistent and unreliable compared to that of Evra's. It's not difficult to see why the two cases had different outcomes. I didnt realise Suarez was convicted in a court of law. Must have missed that. No i don't see alot of difference. Two cases which involved players having an arguement on the pitch and one of those players making reference to the others skin colour. Suarez wouldn't have been found guilty either.
MooseBreath Posted 13 July 2012 Posted 13 July 2012 This whole thing has been terribly depressing and a huge step backwards at a time when it seemed as though society was finally ready to let go of the idea that a lame, throw-away insult which would usually be laughed off is suddenly totally evil as soon as a racial reference is added. Even if he called him a ****ing black ****, that's no more offensive than just calling him a ****ing ****, unless you're one of these sheltered middle class left wing twats who still thinks the slave trade has any relevance whatsoever and treats other races with a patronising caution and by doing so ironically betrays a much stronger, much more genuinely offensive type of racism. Let's just let this kind of crap go and move on.
Anorak Posted 14 July 2012 Posted 14 July 2012 Well it's started already, the courts found him not guilty, so the FA must act...according to Garth Crooks. http://www.guardian....l-fa?CMP=twt_gu Fat Useless Annoying Homosexual Idiot P***k You reckon Garth ever googled himself?
Fox92 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Rio Ferdinand insists he's not racist after Ashley Cole ‘choc ice’ tweet. I remember earlier in the year when Ferdinand tweeted about those girls that got raped in Burnley. Up for racism then, and now again. I don't like Rio Ferdinand at all, he's so quick to say that's racist but then makes a remark himself. But Ashley Cole is not taking the matter up, which is a good thing.
Super_horns Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Maybe it would be best if certain footballers were banned from stuff like Twitter..they never come out in a good light when using it.
Fox92 Posted 15 July 2012 Posted 15 July 2012 Maybe it would be best if certain footballers were banned from stuff like Twitter..they never come out in a good light when using it. I agree, especially if they abuse it. Rio Ferdinand for example constantly digging at Terry, no need for it.
Daggers Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 Maybe it would be best if certain footballers were banned from stuff like Twitter..they never come out in a good light when using it. Maybe it would be best if they simply locked their timeline and only allowed friends to access it like any person with an ounce of brain. Rio Ferdinand is and always has been a prize twat - just the kind of person who should avoid the internets altogether.
Corky Posted 16 July 2012 Posted 16 July 2012 I agree, especially if they abuse it. Rio Ferdinand for example constantly digging at Terry, no need for it. Should just knee him in the back.
davieG Posted 17 July 2012 Posted 17 July 2012 BBC A possible racist comment made against Chelsea footballer Ashley Cole is being investigated by Derbyshire Police. A Twitter user, believed to be from Derbyshire, referred to Mr Cole as a "choc ice" on the social networking site over the weekend. Manchester United's Rio Ferdinand then replied: "I hear you fella! Choc ice is classic hahahahahaha!!" A Derbyshire Police spokeswoman said the force had received complaints "regarding alleged racist comments". "These concerns will be fully investigated to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed," the spokeswoman added. Derbyshire Police confirmed the original "choc ice" tweet was being investigated, not Mr Ferdinand's reply. 'Type of slang' The allegation comes days after Chelsea captain John Terry was cleared of a racially aggravated public order offence at Westminster Magistrates Court. Mr Terry was accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand, Rio's brother, during a game in October 2011. Mr Cole, 31, told the court that his captain was not racist. The term "choc ice" is understood to mean "black on the outside, white on the inside". In a statement, issued through his lawyers, Mr Cole said: "Ashley Cole wishes to make it clear that he and Rio Ferdinand are good friends and Ashley has no intention of making any sort of complaint. "Ashley appreciates that tweeting is so quick it often results in off-hand and stray comments." Mr Ferdinand later tweeted: "What I said yesterday is not a racist term. It's a type of slang used by many for someone who is being fake." A Greater Manchester Police spokeswoman said the force would not be investigating Mr Ferdinand's comments.
Super_horns Posted 27 July 2012 Posted 27 July 2012 Looks like eh is being charged..but not Ferdinand...wasn't Anton pretty abusive himself on the pitch?
Corky Posted 27 July 2012 Posted 27 July 2012 The FA statement added: "It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Ferdinand." http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19021184 This must be the difference betwen the charge and non-charge.
Super_horns Posted 27 July 2012 Posted 27 July 2012 The FA statement added: "It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Ferdinand." http://www.bbc.co.uk...otball/19021184 This must be the difference betwen the charge and non-charge. Fair enough..I thought the FA might want to set an example of Ferdinand as he used some pretty abusive words and started the whole incident...if you believe Terry. Then again we'd be seeing squads reduced to 10 a week if players were banned for swearing! I bet it does get a bit annoying living in a city where rugby is so popular because you probably get loads of rugby fans talking about how much better their sport is in terms of respect which is true I guess!
Mack Posted 28 July 2012 Posted 28 July 2012 This would be laughable if it wasn't so unsavoury. The FA are a joke.
Captain... Posted 30 July 2012 Posted 30 July 2012 Fair enough..I thought the FA might want to set an example of Ferdinand as he used some pretty abusive words and started the whole incident...if you believe Terry. Then again we'd be seeing squads reduced to 10 a week if players were banned for swearing! If that is what it takes to make footballers behave like human beings then so be it. Maybe they should implement the rules for the league cup as a trial just to see how it goes, how long before players learn to shut the fvck up. You would hope after they see one yellow for a swear word they would learn but look how many people still take their shirts off to celebrate even though they know it is an instant booking. The question would be where to draw the line, is shouting at a team mate to "get the fvck back" foul and abusive language? Is shit really a swear word, what about bugger, hell, damn and blast. Is it only when used at someone, are you allowed to shout "shit the bed" when you miss an open goal. The fact is we have seen the decline for years, since the Zidane incident in the World Cup final winding up the opposition has become more and more prevalent. Personally I think a zero tolerance approach is needed, this includes things like picking up players by anything other than offering them a hand, touching the ball once it has been placed for a set piece, from either side and the little flicks of the ball away, I get so sick of watching grown men act like school children, actually that is unfair on school children.
Corky Posted 30 July 2012 Posted 30 July 2012 There's a difference between swearing and insulting. Shouting "oh shit" when you or a team-mate misses is not insulting to another person. Calling people by name is insulting, and also the manner in which it is delivered. No doubt insults between opponents will be heated and aggressive.
Captain... Posted 30 July 2012 Posted 30 July 2012 There's a difference between swearing and insulting. Shouting "oh shit" when you or a team-mate misses is not insulting to another person. Calling people by name is insulting, and also the manner in which it is delivered. No doubt insults between opponents will be heated and aggressive. ...but then do you allow people to scream fvck in frustration or cvnt, or is shit a permitted word? I think being extremely strict at the top will filter down to the academy and Sunday leagues and school leagues, I don't think football should be played in silence, but I watch a number of other sports and you don't hear or see people mouthing obscenities like you do at every football match, and the only way to do it and the only way to enforce it in any sensible way is just have a list of prohibited words and any use is an automatic card, even if it is not aimed at someone.
davieG Posted 30 July 2012 Posted 30 July 2012 Why is it acceptable to use these words in dramas and comedies on TV but not in public, is it just the 'children' factor? If so at what age does it become acceptable for a child to hear these words? Also how come it's ok to put these words in print and to use them on forums like this even if it is in jest? Do we have posters on here under 15 (children - http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/broadcast-code/protecting-under-18s/) Life is complicated isn't it.
Captain... Posted 31 July 2012 Posted 31 July 2012 Why is it acceptable to use these words in dramas and comedies on TV but not in public, is it just the 'children' factor? If so at what age does it become acceptable for a child to hear these words? Also how come it's ok to put these words in print and to use them on forums like this even if it is in jest? Do we have posters on here under 15 (children - http://stakeholders....ting-under-18s/) Life is complicated isn't it. Well is it acceptable, or is it just accepted? I am a firm believer in words having no power except what we give them, but people do give these words the power to offend, and as I said on another thread I don't get to choose who is offended by what I say. Until words, like cvnt, shit and fvck carry the same meaning and value as fanny, poo and rumpy pumpy, then people should be dissuaded from using them in public especially those who perform in front of a live audience of up to 90,000 and a global audience of millions, I am not going to call them role models. When you see bizarre little trolls like in the Tom Daley twitter thread, you realise just how much of a problem this has become, whether that is down to movies, reality TV, footballers etc, I don't know, but there is definitely a problem with footballers and the lack of respect shown on and off the pitch between rivals, that I have not come across in any other sport.
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Posted 31 July 2012 Well is it acceptable, or is it just accepted? I am a firm believer in words having no power except what we give them, but people do give these words the power to offend, and as I said on another thread I don't get to choose who is offended by what I say. Until words, like cvnt, shit and fvck carry the same meaning and value as fanny, poo and rumpy pumpy, then people should be dissuaded from using them in public especially those who perform in front of a live audience of up to 90,000 and a global audience of millions, I am not going to call them role models. When you see bizarre little trolls like in the Tom Daley twitter thread, you realise just how much of a problem this has become, whether that is down to movies, reality TV, footballers etc, I don't know, but there is definitely a problem with footballers and the lack of respect shown on and off the pitch between rivals, that I have not come across in any other sport. Will those words get to carry that value through over use though, surely this is what happened to the word Bloody. I remember when it was first uttered on the TV there was an absolute outrage but it gradually became accepted/acceptable and eventually lost it's impact to such a degree that now it's hardly ever said. I also watched the live programme when **** was first uttered on TV that cause even more of fuss but now it's in everything and not even in situations of anger and frustration like bloody mostly was now it can be heard regularly on comedy panel shows in a throw away fashion. The early use of the word **** on TV seemed to pass without comment.
Captain... Posted 31 July 2012 Posted 31 July 2012 Will those words get to carry that value through over use though, surely this is what happened to the word Bloody. I remember when it was first uttered on the TV there was an absolute outrage but it gradually became accepted/acceptable and eventually lost it's impact to such a degree that now it's hardly ever said. I also watched the live programme when **** was first uttered on TV that cause even more of fuss but now it's in everything and not even in situations of anger and frustration like bloody mostly was now it can be heard regularly on comedy panel shows in a throw away fashion. The early use of the word **** on TV seemed to pass without comment. Of course you are right, but the worry is if the f-word is over used then people will use the c-word more then that will lose all meaning so people will have to find another way to offend someone. I guess it is not really the language they use, although that doesn't help, it is the fact that footballers see nothing wrong in just hurling abuse at each throughout the game, whether it is Materazzi's comments about Zidane's sister, or Ferdinand giving Terry shit for the whole Bridge incident, or players effing and blinding at the ref and linesman it only seems to be going too far if it is about race, this has been endemic for years and the whole respect campaign is bollox, the only thing these players will respect is punishment and the only approach I can see is a zero tolerance approach of no swearing, no abusive language, no insults, but they haven't had the balls to eliminate diving and play acting from the game, so I can't see them doing anything else, maybe they will have a kiss with their respect handshake.
davieG Posted 31 July 2012 Posted 31 July 2012 Of course you are right, but the worry is if the f-word is over used then people will use the c-word more then that will lose all meaning so people will have to find another way to offend someone. I guess it is not really the language they use, although that doesn't help, it is the fact that footballers see nothing wrong in just hurling abuse at each throughout the game, whether it is Materazzi's comments about Zidane's sister, or Ferdinand giving Terry shit for the whole Bridge incident, or players effing and blinding at the ref and linesman it only seems to be going too far if it is about race, this has been endemic for years and the whole respect campaign is bollox, the only thing these players will respect is punishment and the only approach I can see is a zero tolerance approach of no swearing, no abusive language, no insults, but they haven't had the balls to eliminate diving and play acting from the game, so I can't see them doing anything else, maybe they will have a kiss with their respect handshake. Well it's not just football cricket also suffers from similar abuse but as that is a 'gentleman's game' it gets largely ignored and sometimes even 'praised'. I'd be surprised if it doesn't also happen in rugby in between the eye gouging type stuff. It's endemic everywhere it's seen as ok and funny to call someone a **** or similar for even the slightest reason, I just assume it's the modern culture and eventuly we'll move onto some other 'norm' of behaviour.
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