Fryatt

[hackneyfox]

He wasn't shit, he's just not good enough for us. He was a good 3rd division striker who can be effective at this level, but no better than that imo.

[MPH]

It would definitely be a backwards step for us to pin our hope on someone like Fryatt for promotion.

[bluearmyfox23]

I hope someone closes this thread !!

[Babylon]

He's hardly been "hyped" at all and more especially since glamour-boy Beckford arrived.

It's actually a handicap to be ex-Academy at Leicester cos our fans are like kids at Christmas with every outside signing whether they're any good or not (which is far more often the case).

Schlupp's problem is being burdened with a long and comfortable contract but, football wise I suspect he'll be better off following Gradel to a club that's prepared to play him, longer than an insulting or soul-destroying few minutes at the fag end of a match.

Kingy's the same. He's got a long contract too. But he needs to be playing in a proper team with proper width, proper movement and a positive outlook to get the best out of him.

He'll never be fully appreciated here, he's just not outwardly aggressive enough although, in reality, he's a lot more cool and ruthlessly effecient in front of goal - and in his passing - than most we've got.

Our prospect now seems to be a team of spoilers. Wayne Brown types and harrassers who'll protect the defence but might somehow score with a rebound. The quest for 0-0 shut-outs on our travels, for hit-and-run 1-0's and the occasional Walsall-type flourish when the opposition's a bit naff or knackered. Mean-machine football but, as Pearson might say, "it's the result that counts".

Except that, so far, we haven't got the results either from Pearson or anyone else.

And, after Gradel's experience, I can't see Pearson relying on players like Schlupp to get em. He hasn't got the experience and he's not likely to get it with Pearson chasing a big bonus for promotion this season. He won't have the time or the incentive to "develop" players...as Gradel might mention.

What a load of tosh.

Schlupp has been hyped up. He joins the long list of players like Kee, Dodds, Wright, Petrescu etc that people make out to be amazing.

You make out like it's a graveyard for young players. Only one player that's come through our academy has gone on to do anything remotely decent at our level or above and that's Gradel. Pearson didn't want him to go, he said as much.

We were doing very well in the champ without him at the time, so he was loaned to Leeds to get game time. He actually spent a heck of a lot of that loan spell on the bench at Leeds and wasn't even first choice. He took time to develop and you can't say whether that would have happened here or not.

Pearson puts a lot of faith in young talent, the teams he was building at Hull and previously here show that. To say otherwise is nonsense.

[Guest Col city fan]

What a load of tosh.

Schlupp has been hyped up. He joins the long list of players like Kee, Dodds, Wright, Petrescu etc that people make out to be amazing.

You make out like it's a graveyard for young players. Only

one player that's come through our academy has gone on to do anything remotely decent at our level or above and that's Gradel. Pearson didn't want him to go, he said as much.

We were doing very well in the champ without him at the time, so he was loaned to Leeds to get game time. He actually spent a heck of a lot of that loan spell on the bench at Leeds and wasn't even first choice. He took time to

develop and you can't say whether that would have happened here or not.

Pearson puts a lot of faith in young talent, the teams he was building at Hull and previously here show that. To say otherwise is nonsense.

Exactly...

[Thracian]

I can never really understand this argument.....

I can see that having a good Academy set-up can enable players with potential to develop and to flourish.

Like King and Max, surely if any young players were considered to be 'good enough' to push through to the first team then they would do so.

You almost talk as though any Manager City may have shows no interest in the Academy set-up. I know for a fact (through a source which I cannot disclose) that this was not true of Sven who spent time at the Academy, talking to the younger players and praising the Youth set up and facilities. Sven and his backroom staff were aware of the up and coming talent (no pun intended).

However..... management is a results business, built upon relatively short-term contracts, public expectation etc. etc... in other words, many many pressures are involved to get a happy dressing room, please the fans and get results on the pitch.

Which of City's young players, released from the club, have really gone on to shine elsewhere?

Max did well at Leeds but has been sold.... Ash Chambers is doing well at York, but they are a conference side, Billy Kee, Billy McKay...the list is quite endless of our own youth players not pulling up trees anywhere else they have gone to.

Its a results business..bottom line...and its gonna be a brave manager, particularly at a Club like City, what with the level of expectation and the funds we now have, who is gonna take a risk of giving a young player the run in the first team they might need to be able to move onto the next level.

HOWEVER... if they are going to be good enough..and this is pretty clear, then that risk may just be taken. MON did it with Emile Heskey, Pearson with Kingy but I can't for the life of me think of many more that have come through and established themselves as a first team regular.

If YOU were manager (oh you'd love that wouldnt ya would you not play Beckford and risk Schlupp? or drop Mills in favour of Tom Parkes?

Knowing you, you probably would.. and if this didnt work you'd lose your job pretty quickly.

Our Academy has been a waste of time and money - other than as a social service - since the time of Pearson's arrival when reserves team league games ended and there was no natural means of progression for our youth players.

Since then no-one has come through to establish themselves in the first team and that includes Schlupp. And yes, I was aware of Sven's interest in the youth set up. But having an interest and showing yourself willing to use those players instead of more highly paid senior signings from outside is another matter.

Sven had several opportunities to use Schlupp in a positive way and didn't take them. The kid was left sitting around twiddling his thumbs which is just about the worst thing possible for someone at his stage of development.

Yes, management is a results business - and Sven went because his results weren't good enough.

As for Kingy he was established before Pearson arrived. Pearson brought no-one through and, to be honest, with the set-up as it is, it's hard to see any manager bringing anyone through.

I wouldn't have signed Beckford anyway so where Schlupp would have fitted in i don't know. But in our recent situation

I'd have involved him just as often as I could, in his proper position and for sensible periods of time.

I've never particularly rated Parkes and have said why on many occasions.

As for "knowing me" you clearly have no idea what I'm like as a team manager! .

[ithuriel]

Well, Gradel and Stearman , Stearman is a regular in a wolves side that is happily living in the prem.

He may not be Arsenal quality but he as made himself a prem player and he did force himself into our first team, unfortunately to be sold when we we're relegated.

[Corky]

You make out like it's a graveyard for young players. Only one player that's come through our academy has gone on to do anything remotely decent at our level or above and that's Gradel. Pearson didn't want him to go, he said as much.

Andrew King esq. did too.

[Guest Col city fan]

Our Academy has been a waste of time and money - other than as a social service - since the time of Pearson's arrival when reserves team league games ended and there was no natural means of progression for our youth players.

Since then no-one has come through to establish themselves in the first team and that includes Schlupp. And

yes, I was aware of Sven's interest in the youth set up. But having an interest and showing yourself willing to use those players instead of more highly paid senior signings from outside is another matter.

Sven had several opportunities to use Schlupp in a positive way and didn't take them. The kid was left sitting around twiddling his thumbs which is just about the worst thing

possible for someone at his stage of development.

Yes, management is a results business - and Sven went because his results weren't good enough.

As for Kingy he was established before Pearson arrived. Pearson brought no-one through and, to be honest, with the set-up as it is, it's hard to see any manager bringing anyone

through.

I wouldn't have signed Beckford anyway so where Schlupp would have fitted in i don't know. But in our recent situation

I'd have involved him just as often as I could, in his proper position and for sensible periods of time.

I've never particularly rated Parkes and have said why on many occasions.

As for "knowing me" you clearly have no idea what I'm like as a team manager! .

I know that you go on and on and on about youth development but actually fail to answer my point...

If the players coming through were gonna be good enough they would get their chance, wouldn't they?

The City Academy is much more than what you say it is.. It's a great link with the local community and provides young lads of all ages with the excitement and experience of playing football to a good level. I was down there on Sunday to watch my lad referee an under 14 game. He's done his refs course, off his own back this year, and loves football but was never gonna be good enough to get anywhere as a player. The touch line was full of parents, the lads playing were exemplary in their conduct and manner, some good play was apparent.

The set up looked superb and my lad got a lot of feedback afterwards.

If one, just one of these kids becomes good enough to make it through to a better level, either for us or someone else that's a bonus for me.

You come across as a somewhat bitter old geezer who wants to try to knock and ridicule at every opportunity.

And a frustrated football manager....

The academy is there, it might develop our next one or two starlets. In the meantime it provides a good standard of football to kids of all ages who can develop with those around them.

Yes I would personally give Schlupp a go.. But here's the rub.. Only because I reckon he might be good enough

[Babylon]

Andrew King esq. did too.

I'm talking about ones we've let go. I don't class people still here or ones who were sold to a team above us.

[Babylon]

As for Kingy he was established before Pearson arrived. Pearson brought no-one through and, to be honest, with the set-up as it is, it's hard to see any manager bringing anyone through.

11 first team games from the bench or as a starter in his whole career = established?

If a player is good they will make it end of story, the youth team whilst collectively good, are individually lacking in quality. If they weren't then they would be making it here or somewhere else. But they aren't.

[Thracian]

What a load of tosh.

Schlupp has been hyped up. He joins the long list of players like Kee, Dodds, Wright, Petrescu etc that people make out to be amazing.

You make out like it's a graveyard for young players. Only one player that's come through our academy has gone on to do anything remotely decent at our level or above and that's Gradel. Pearson didn't want him to go, he said as much.

We were doing very well in the champ without him at the time, so he was loaned to Leeds to get game time. He actually spent a heck of a lot of that loan spell on the bench at Leeds and wasn't even first choice. He took time to develop and you can't say whether that would have happened here or not.

Pearson puts a lot of faith in young talent, the teams he was building at Hull and previously here show that. To say otherwise is nonsense.

Kee wasn't hyped up either nor Dodds if you actually look at what was written and in the context it was written.

At first team level Leicester City it IS a graveyard for youth development.

Which young players have improved more than marginally since arriving in our first team? I cannot think of one.

King's gone backwards in the last few months.

Mattock didn't improve and didn't seem to leave here with the right attitudes either.

Porter went backwards as a player as soon as he got close marked and no-one helped him sort that, And as a person he went the way he did and was left high and dry.

Stearman was maligned by many fans. They mocked the idea he couold play centre-back and grumbled about his performances as a full-back.

Right or wrong he didn't improve until he went to Wolves as I'm sure he'd confirm.

Pearson might have "wanted" to keep Gradel but he didn't and he didn't either use him much or develop him at all, other than defensively to a small degree. His improvement was down to Leeds.

Sheehan was another to be offered another contract at Leicester but he was never really appreciated and was forever playing second fiddle to people who were less effective.

Yes, he had issues to resolve as a player - particularly his impulsiveness that saw him needlessly sent off on too many occasions. But we didn't sort it. After some brief success at Leeds, they didn't sort it either. Only now is he showing signs of realising some of his potential at Notts County.

Has Schlupp improved since he's been in our first team squad? No. Did Logan? No.

Dodds, O'Grady and Parkes didn't get a chance. Kee, Chambers and Beswick were either injured or sidelined by Mandaric's foreign legion when seeking to emerge from reserves football and have only recently started to revive their careers in the case of the first two named. So who has improved Babs?

Almost all our most promising youngsters were developed by Beaglehole and Co and, once they moved on, I fail to see that any of them improved at Leicester but I'm sure you'll give me a list.

As for Pearson's view of young talent I only judge what I've seen - and that was Gradel run straight off the main line and into a siding.

Yes, he borrowed the likes of Cleverley and Davies but it wasn't he who developed them. Someone else did that and made them catch his attention.

He took em ready made while Gradel ended up just wanting to leave.

[Babylon]

Kee wasn't hyped up either nor Dodds if you actually look at what was written and in the context it was written.

At first team level Leicester City it IS a graveyard for youth development.

Which young players have improved more than marginally since arriving in our first team? I cannot think of one.

King's gone backwards in the last few months.

Mattock didn't improve and didn't seem to leave here with the right attitudes either.

Porter went backwards as a player as soon as he got close marked and no-one helped him sort that, And as a person he went the way he did and was left high and dry.

Stearman was maligned by many fans. They mocked the idea he couold play centre-back and grumbled about his performances as a full-back.

Right or wrong he didn't improve until he went to Wolves as I'm sure he'd confirm.

Pearson might have "wanted" to keep Gradel but he didn't and he didn't either use him much or develop him at all, other than defensively to a small degree. His improvement was down to Leeds.

Sheehan was another to be offered another contract at Leicester but he was never really appreciated and was forever playing second fiddle to people who were less effective.

Yes, he had issues to resolve as a player - particularly his impulsiveness that saw him needlessly sent off on too many occasions. But we didn't sort it. After some brief success at Leeds, they didn't sort it either. Only now is he showing signs of realising some of his potential at Notts County.

Has Schlupp improved since he's been in our first team squad? No. Did Logan? No.

Dodds, O'Grady and Parkes didn't get a chance. Kee, Chambers and Beswick were either injured or sidelined by Mandaric's foreign legion when seeking to emerge from reserves football and have only recently started to revive their careers in the case of the first two named. So who has improved Babs?

Almost all our most promising youngsters were developed by Beaglehole and Co and, once they moved on, I fail to see that any of them improved at Leicester but I'm sure you'll give me a list.

As for Pearson's view of young talent I only judge what I've seen - and that was Gradel run straight off the main line and into a siding.

Yes, he borrowed the likes of Cleverley and Davies but it wasn't he who developed them. Someone else did that and made them catch his attention.

He took em ready made while Gradel ended up just wanting to leave.

How many of these players have gone on to do anything anywhere else?

Rather than trying to pin the lot on Pearson (How is he to blame for Kings form, Stearman who never played under him or Mattock who was already a prat before he arrived). Perhaps you should ask why we are producing average young players who aren't good enough for anything above league one?

You started out bashing Pearson and now you are trying to move away from that slinging other stuff in. Pearson has proved here an elsewhere he WILL play talented youngsters and put a lot of faith into them. Gradel was a mistake and handed in a transfer request, not many managers these days will want players around who do not want to be here.

It's only a graveyard for young talent if they are actually talented in the first place. Unfortunately they are average 99.9% of the time.

[Corky]

I'm talking about ones we've let go. I don't class people still here or ones who were sold to a team above us.

Ah, I see

I thought you might've forgotten about him because he's normally anonymous

[Criggers]

At the end of the day the academy might not sell anyone to a prem club a la Heskey (or even Joachim???) in the near future but....

Fryatt is shit.

[MPH]

name='Thracian' timestamp='1321366670' post='2059218']

Kee wasn't hyped up either nor Dodds if you actually look at what was written and in the context it was written.

Porter went backwards as a player as soon as he got close marked and no-one helped him sort that, And as a person he went the way he did and was left high and dry.

1, They were by you!

2. Oh my gosh are you mentally unstable? so its the clubs fault now that he didnt know how to shake his marker? Incidently did you have a microphone added to every convo he had with the team coaches? How do you know he wasnt given advice?

[Thracian]

If a player is good they will make it end of story, the youth team whilst collectively good, are individually lacking in quality. If they weren't then they would be making it here or somewhere else. But they aren't.

End of story my backside. You show an awful lot of faith and respect for our first team coaches which I don't have. Especially when I see the sort of teams they've produced these recent years and the basics those teams have so plainly lacked.

I just think of the talent that's been wasted. And the makeweights who've actually got into our side instead at times.

Our title-winning youth team was the one decent team I've seen in Leicester shirts over a decade and we've made next to nothing out of any of them. We've even got Kingy looking crap at times nowadays.

We're obsessed with new signings. We make nothing out of anybody. We just try to buy people and if one doesn't work we buy or loan another.

Don't you ever wonder why the players coming through don't improve and the players being signed so often disappoint as well? Are they all crap when they pull on a Leicester first team shirt?

How long before Nugent, Bamba and Kasper start heading downhill in frustration, Babs?

Football is about making people feel they've got a special part to play in a special production and we haven't got the first idea how to do that. Beaglehole knew and that's why our youth team was successful, whatever it's individual strengths.

Really good football teams should hardly have any changes. All the players should feel that the manager values them. We just don't do that. Players are either in, or they're out and forgotten, like a prostitute's clients. There's always an undercurrent of discontent at Leicester and more comings and goings than over the tracks at Clapham Junction.

If Pearson brings in three new loanees next week we'll be all over them. Whatever their standard. Lackzco, Bori, Kaebi we've had stacks of them and there's no signs of it ever ending as the likes of Danns, Fernandez, Pansil show .... the same story, different names and which of them will ever be remembered?

Now we'll have some more and those left out pissed off. More fuel for the same festering sore of discontent. Spend, spend Viv Nicholson!.

When will we start playing as a team from top to bottom? No weaknesses, no daft decisions, no corners cut on the coaching ground....just all for one, one for all and a whole team of players to have faith in and to score goals.

Maybe it will happen with Pearson in time but I do hope he remembers the last bit...and keeps all his players feeling positive.

[Thracian]

1, They were by you!

2. Oh my gosh are you mentally unstable? so its the clubs fault now that he didnt know how to shake his marker? Incidently did you have a microphone added to every convo he had with the team coaches? How do you know he wasnt given advice?

1) Show me. I said Kee was promising but had real problems with keeping fit. Dodds I said should have the chance to play ahead of Horsfield and Cadamarteri, a view I never had reason to change.

2) I know because the obvious way to lose a marker is to change flanks or take on a free role and he was never told to do that. Or are you suggesting he blatantly ignored such instructions? Another way is to draw the marker from your position and have your full-back exploit the space you've left. We never played a full-back capable of doing that effectively. So the situation wasn't propperly addressed.

[Babylon]

End of story my backside. You show an awful lot of faith and respect for our first team coaches which I don't have. Especially when I see the sort of teams they've produced these recent years and the basics those teams have so plainly lacked.

I just think of the talent that's been wasted. And the makeweights who've actually got into our side instead at times.

Our title-winning youth team was the one decent team I've seen in Leicester shirts over a decade and we've made next to nothing out of any of them. We've even got Kingy looking crap at times nowadays.

We're obsessed with new signings. We make nothing out of anybody. We just try to buy people and if one doesn't work we buy or loan another.

Don't you ever wonder why the players coming through don't improve and the players being signed so often disappoint as well? Are they all crap when they pull on a Leicester first team shirt?

How long before Nugent, Bamba and Kasper start heading downhill in frustration, Babs?

Football is about making people feel they've got a special part to play in a special production and we haven't got the first idea how to do that. Beaglehole knew and that's why our youth team was successful, whatever it's individual strengths.

Really good football teams should hardly have any changes. All the players should feel that the manager values them. We just don't do that. Players are either in, or they're out and forgotten, like a prostitute's clients. There's always an undercurrent of discontent at Leicester and more comings and goings than over the tracks at Clapham Junction.

If Pearson brings in three new loanees next week we'll be all over them. Whatever their standard. Lackzco, Bori, Kaebi we've had stacks of them and there's no signs of it ever ending as the likes of Danns, Fernandez, Pansil show .... the same story, different names and which of them will ever be remembered?

Now we'll have some more and those left out pissed off. More fuel for the same festering sore of discontent. Spend, spend Viv Nicholson!.

When will we start playing as a team from top to bottom? No weaknesses, no daft decisions, no corners cut on the coaching ground....just all for one, one for all and a whole team of players to have faith in and to score goals.

Maybe it will happen with Pearson in time but I do hope he remembers the last bit...and keeps all his players feeling positive.

You still aren't answering the question. What have any of these players go on to do? If they are good enough they are good enough. None of them except Gradel (who we didn't even want to sell) have shown themselves good enough to play at the standard we are now, let alone anything higher.

Just because players don't get a look for the first team doesn't ruin them forever. Plenty of players haven't been deemed good enough by there teams, have gone down the leagues and then climbed back up. None of ours have though, they simply are not of sufficient quality.

Cream will rise to the top, whether it's with us or with another team and we lose out. But they just aren't doing that. You can bleat on about youth getting a chance as much as you want, but they won't get that chance unless they posses the ability needed and currently they don't.

[Lcfclee]

Just saw fryatt at asda buying sterident

[Babylon]

Or are you suggesting he blatantly ignored such instructions?

Well he allegedly ignored quite a few laws and rules, so is that such a shock.

[Guest Col city fan]

You still aren't answering the question. What have any of these players go on to do? If they are good enough they are good enough. None of them except Gradel (who we didn't even want to sell) have shown themselves good enough to play at the standard we are now, let alone anything higher.

Just because players don't get a look for the first team

doesn't ruin them forever. Plenty of players haven't been deemed good enough by there teams, have gone down the leagues and then climbed back up. None of ours have though, they simply are not of sufficient quality.

Cream will rise to the top, whether it's with us or with another team and we lose out. But they just aren't doing

that. You can bleat on about youth getting a chance as much as you want, but they won't get that chance unless they posses the ability needed and currently they don't.

I'd stop bothering mate.. He either can't or don't wanna accept this...

[Thracian]

Pearson has proved here an elsewhere he WILL play talented youngsters and put a lot of faith into them. Gradel was a mistake and handed in a transfer request, not many managers these days will want players around who do not want to be here.

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I've got nothing to say about "elsewhere" where the situation and pressures may be different. And I'm not talking about ready made loanees either, as you well know (while talking about me shifting tack!).

Despite so badly needing goals Pearson shunted proven-goalscorer/maker Gradel into a siding and no matter how you angle it, that's the truth. And to show the truth of how highly we valued him, we sold him for a song.

[Babylon]

I've got nothing to say about "elsewhere" where the situation and pressures may be different. And I'm not talking about ready made loanees either, as you well know (while talking about me shifting tack!).

No we are talking about quality young players, which we don't have. If the young potential isn't there then he will look elsewhere.

Despite so badly needing goals Pearson shunted proven-goalscorer/maker Gradel into a siding and no matter how you angle it, that's the truth. And to show the truth of how highly we valued him, we sold him for a song.

He wasn't proven though was he, he had shown the odd bit of good and the odd bit of Rubbish. He went to Leeds and was only on the bench of a league one club for the first year!! We were also doing very well without him. Not forgetting all the personal stuff he had been through and was still going through, he wanted to quit Leeds to go back to the family he was still looking after.

[bluearmyfox23]

Why do some people want him back the bloke takes 5-6 clear chances to score !! I personally have never been a fan of fryatt ever since the play-offs where at the KP he was clear through and deicided to take an extra touch instead of shooting !!